Arizona woman thankful stranger killed her son during attack

originally posted by: Mianeye
About the anti gun remarks, you can't really blame the "anti gun" as for every one good story there is 10/ 20 or more bad story's.

6...7 years ago i disarmed a guy trying to rob the reception with a box cutter at the hotel i worked on, by getting up behind him and grab him by his balls and hair and throw him to the ground, not to compare but you can in some situations deal with the person in other ways but shooting them, of course it carries a risk, but the surprise they get is often pacifying .

And no, i'm not anti gun, just making a comment...

Buuuut how is your comment relevant?

In this case the guy was:
1) methed out of his mind
2) in a car
3) had his hands inside of someone else (yes like Hannibal Lecter)

Maybe sometimes guns aren't needed, but in this case I personally don't see another way. So even bringing it up is simply deflecting.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

I think people are seeing "thankful" and misinterpreting it as "happy".

Same here, I combed over the thread,your Op and the article, its not that long.

Nothing about happiness other than thankful for doing the right thing and maybe being thankful she is still alive.

Just thinking about the experience makes me sad for the Mother, and the neighbor even though the right thing was done and a life was saved by taking the life of the son wanting to harm his mother.

Like he article points outs the real enemy here is the drugs her son was on which completely changed him and made him like she said not himself after so many years of addictions.

Really really sad, I haven't really got a say about whether its right or wrong to have guns but because they are allowed by law in the states this has happened the way it has, if they weren't I guess it would been far more of a horror story than it already is in my opinion.

originally posted by: Ancient Champion
Well excuse me if I don't enjoy seeing people getting killed, the guy had mental problems that needed to be addressed.

Before or after he kills his mom or someone else? He had a boxcutter on him so he obviously intended to do harm to someone....likely was headed to his mom's house since the story said she was only a short distance from her house when she saw him walking down the street.

Had she been home and let him in, this could have been a story of her death since it would be more likely he would have done it inside the house and nobody would have been able to see/hear her being slashed.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
And I am sorry you have trouble with the story, but the quotes AND the story came directly from the mother of the dead son. She was the one being attacked and it was her son attacking. You think she is purposely misleading in her story for some type of agenda or something?

I don't know, just pointing out how the story doesn't make sense.

How does it not make sense? Did you read the source? There is no "promoting" going on....simply a news story that ended well because of an armed citizen who was being vigilant and did the right thing.

I explained why, did you read my post?

So this is just you reporting the news?...ok Bill

Much happier it ended like this than a news story of a son slashing his mother to death in the street with people just pulling out their phones to make a video....now that would be a tragedy.

Of course, me too. But to suggest that the outcome above and the one that was realized are the only two options available is, well, something I would expect from someone merely promoting guns...

originally posted by: Ancient Champion
He could have shot the kid in the legs and then disarmed him.

This happen in USA, over there they shoot to kill. That why all the shootings between civilians and cops happen there

a reply to: Ancient Champion

Normally I would agree with a non violent approach, but allow me to use a quote by the most famous non-violent advocate of modern times Gandhi: "I do believe where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence."
This was a statement he made during the Boer War when his son asked whether or not he should of defended him from his attempted assassination. The Words of Gandhi, selections by Richard Attenborough

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Prezbo369

I'm 42 yrs old I've owned at least 1 firearm since I was 9, I've never had an itch to shoot someone. In fact I hope and pray I never have to... But if the need arises... Better to be armed trained and equippe, than a victim.

Did you read the part where he reached into the cut he made??

Good for you! but it doesn't change the fact that innocent people are shot by such zealous gun owns in cases.

And yeah I read that part, not sure I believe it 100% TBH.

originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Yeah it doesn't sound like he was trying to 'rip her throat out' or whatever hyper bowl is being used.

It doesn't make sense.

"And then he proceeded to get into the car and started stabbing me and slashing at my throat, telling me that he was going to kill me," Mendez said through her tears. "He grabbed within the wound itself that he had created with his bare hands and he started pulling at my esophagus."

that sounds like hyperbole to you? or hyper bowl as you call it. seems pretty straight forward to me, coming straight from the mother's mouth. she has no reason to exaggerate her claims. you're right it doesn't "make sense" but, that's methamphetamine for ya. he obviously wasn't thinking clearly or rationally so his behavior wasn't rational.

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Prezbo369

I'm 42 yrs old I've owned at least 1 firearm since I was 9, I've never had an itch to shoot someone. In fact I hope and pray I never have to... But if the need arises... Better to be armed trained and equippe, than a victim.

Did you read the part where he reached into the cut he made??

Good for you! but it doesn't change the fact that innocent people are shot by such zealous gun owns in cases.

And yeah I read that part, not sure I believe it 100% TBH.

It sounds like you only read what you want to read to create your own narrative which furthers your agenda. They have a word for that, but were not allowed to say it on here.

Yes let's ignore the mental problems in the country until it comes time to put person down.

a reply to: doompornjunkie

not to compare but you can in some situations deal with the person in other ways but shooting them

I did say not to compare to this story....The situation of course differs, though in my case the guy too, was high on "something" and was not easy to keep down.

It was meant as a side story to the "good guy with a gun saves the day", that in many cases can be dealt with in other ways, but are then used as a good story from gun owners.

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
And I am sorry you have trouble with the story, but the quotes AND the story came directly from the mother of the dead son. She was the one being attacked and it was her son attacking. You think she is purposely misleading in her story for some type of agenda or something?

I don't know, just pointing out how the story doesn't make sense.

How does it not make sense? Did you read the source? There is no "promoting" going on....simply a news story that ended well because of an armed citizen who was being vigilant and did the right thing.

I explained why, did you read my post?

So this is just you reporting the news?...ok Bill

Much happier it ended like this than a news story of a son slashing his mother to death in the street with people just pulling out their phones to make a video....now that would be a tragedy.

Of course, me too. But to suggest that the outcome above and the one that was realized are the only two options available is, well, something I would expect from someone merely promoting guns...

You said:

"Promoting a tragedy like this is dangerous, or are you denying the scary number of people that own guns who are literally itching to fire them at someone?"

So, please point to a source for your comment. Or wait...is it just your opinion?

Yep....I did just report a story of a good gun owner that saved a life. Why are you so upset over that?

Still not understanding how the story doesn't make sense to you....his own mother was the one stating what happened. It is as clear and detailed as an account I have seen a victim give.

As far as the outcomes I gave...do you have another? Maybe the intervening neighbor decides to tackle the son and disarm him? Ok....next time, if it ever happens, you see someone violently slashing another person with a box cutter in an attempt to murder them, jump on in to help with nothing other than your fists.

originally posted by: Ancient Champion
Yes let's ignore the mental problems in the country until it comes time to put person down.

I believe this incident was attributed to drugs, not mental health in general. Or are you referring to how you think the mom should have been more sad? The guy who shot him?

Which mental problems are you speaking of that are relevant to this story?

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
Good for you! but it doesn't change the fact that innocent people are shot by such zealous gun owns in cases.

And yeah I read that part, not sure I believe it 100% TBH.

It sounds like you only read what you want to read to create your own narrative which furthers your agenda. They have a word for that, but were not allowed to say it on here.

Are you denying that innocent people are killed by such gun owners?

Sounds like you're the one with an agenda...

a reply to: Prezbo369

And yet your avatar is from one of the most violent game franchises ever, almost started the phenomena.

"Kingslayer" a nice non violent self made moniker ya got there.

a reply to: Hushabye

How #ing dare you people.

some just cant fathom the horror others experience, we are on the internet and like its said some don't get out much so to speak.

How dare you project your own emotional definitions of words on this womans' beyond horrible situation. How egocentric of you all.

I hope you don't really mean all,

I experience my mother being beaten without me able to defend her due to being a small a child and my father doing the beating,

I know many have experienced that as children, I sort of felt the horror the mother would be living with now and during the experience even though she is thankful for her life, My experience is different but when loved ones try killing family and you have experienced this you sort of can understand the horror, fear and confusion all at once going on in the moment of the attack, not from the neighbors perspective but from the mothers I mean.

There were times I'd have gladly killed them. GLADLY. No egocentric interpretation needed here- I'll say it again- I'd have been GLAD.

No interpretation from my part, I am glad that you didn't and that I haven't, however its alcohol that has destroyed my family life, which has lead to my own drug addictions that I have overcome and living a sober life, gladly.

a reply to: Prezbo369

I can end this whole thing right now for you, just answer 1 question.. Did you actually read the story?

a reply to: Ancient Champion
Mental problems don't have anything to do with this, he was tweaking balls on meth and decided to kill his mom. If you're ever attacked by a tweaker I hope someone's there to shoot him for you, cuz they don't get knocked out. And they have a million times more energy than you. Quit trying to victimize the person at fault, or you're just as bad as those who ignore mental illness.

a reply to: doompornjunkie

anyone who wants to kill their own mom has some kind mental problem.

a reply to: CaptainTwig

OK the next thread like this that comes along I'll start off by clapping and cheering, is that better?