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Arizona woman thankful stranger killed her son during attack

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posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: Prezbo369




Good for you! but it doesn't change the fact that innocent people are shot by such zealous gun owns in cases.


Yes but those facts don't belong here do they?





And yeah I read that part, not sure I believe it 100% TBH.


Well lucky this thread is not about beliefs,

You might not believe that the drug addicted son, addicted for many years it seems would do such thing and that the neighbor was right in defending,

What do you believe has happened?

The mother spoke with her son, knew of his condition and offered money to get his next fix all to have conspired with the neighbor to shoot him when he arrives to help the pro gun side of the debate that has been on going?

What do you believe happened?

Lets hear what you imagine happened and why you would imagine it happened, actually lets not.

Already enough emotion about the story on my part I don't want read any more stories about happiness and a kid being shot from points of view that are ignorant of whats reported and posted in the OP.




posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 10:58 AM
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originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: Prezbo369

And yet your avatar is from one of the most violent game franchises ever, almost started the phenomena.

"Kingslayer" a nice non violent self made moniker ya got there.


Yes, but......what does any of that have to do with anything?....




posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:00 AM
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originally posted by: Ancient Champion
Yes let's ignore the mental problems in the country until it comes time to put person down.


Its not ignored,

The drug problem the son had was known about, however a 29 year old person is independent unless that state rules otherwise so maybe the son didn't want the help that he might of been able to get.


The article gives a link to drug help site.

However lets ignore whats posted in a thread and sources supplied and simply reply to our interpretations of the title that you seem to have completely misinterpreted.



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: InhaleExhale

No, person. I'm sorry. I did not mean to imply "all." The other reactions in this thread just made my heart a little dark for a moment. I apologize, and wish you well.



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: Prezbo369

Id say at least as much as your arguments in this thread



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: Prezbo369

Yes but those facts don't belong here do they?


Facts surrounding citizens shooting other citizens?.......no of course not....??



Well lucky this thread is not about beliefs,


To believe something is not hold a 'belief'...


You might not believe that the drug addicted son, addicted for many years it seems would do such thing and that the neighbor was right in defending,

What do you believe has happened?

The mother spoke with her son, knew of his condition and offered money to get his next fix all to have conspired with the neighbor to shoot him when he arrives to help the pro gun side of the debate that has been on going?

What do you believe happened?

Lets hear what you imagine happened and why you would imagine it happened, actually lets not.

Already enough emotion about the story on my part I don't want read any more stories about happiness and a kid being shot from points of view that are ignorant of whats reported and posted in the OP.


Seems to me that a blood thirsty meth addict intent on ripping his mothers throat out would've done much more damage in the time it would've taken for a helpful neighbor to come to her rescue. That he did come to her timely rescue makes little to no sense to me.



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: Ancient Champion
a reply to: doompornjunkie

anyone who wants to kill their own mom has some kind mental problem.



Yes heavy drug use of any kind can change a persons psyche,

a number of factors could cause such, combine a few as a cocktail and one of the ingredients is a hard drug and it likely there will be a change for the worse.





OK the next thread like this that comes along I'll start off by clapping and cheering, is that better?


Do you maybe need some help?

Please don't take this as as a stance from being argumentative, you are really starting have me worried and if you need to talk to someone in private about any issues I can try help or tr and direct you where you might be able to speak to someone who understands where you are coming from if I cant personally so send me PM if you want to talk, if not stop with the sarcasm.



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: Ancient Champion
a reply to: starwarsisreal

I'm not anti-gun, I'm against people who think killing will solve all our problems.


I think killing can solve most problems where an individual is attempting to murder another. In fact, it solved this problem in three different ways. It solved the problem of the son on drugs attempting to murder his mother those of you who want to blanket decriminalize all drugs should really take note if this tragedy).

It solved the problem of having a trial where tax money would have been wasted to defend an open and shut case of homicidal drug induced mania/dementia on a family member.

It solved the problem of having tax money wasted to incarcerate a man who likely would have been killed in prison anyways.

And yes you better believe we shoot to kill in the USA. I dont want to see innocent people get hurt, but you better believe I am not only happy but thankful when scumbags and killers get killed themselves.


Prezbo, I dont even know why you think you are going to receive a standing ovation for your anti-gun agenda/rhetoric in this thread when this case clearly shows the need to be armed and vigilante at all times.

Purge baby purge is my motto. This dutiful citizen has purged a parasite and scumbag from our population. Future victims will not fall into this maniac's hands, and for that I am thankful. I am going to make sure to mention that at this years Thanksgiving dinner.

edit on 3/26/2015 by DYepes because: spelling



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: Prezbo369

Id say at least as much as your arguments in this thread


And you know a good argument when you see one....right



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: Prezbo369




Seems to me that a blood thirsty meth addict intent on ripping his mothers throat out would've done much more damage in the time it would've taken for a helpful neighbor to come to her rescue. That he did come to her timely rescue makes little to no sense to me.


I don't think that was his intent initially it might have been and maybe the neighbor was just at the right place at the right time with his firearm close by, we only have what the article says, however I imagine he went home to try and get some help in the form of money from his loving mother, she refused to give him any knowing what it be for and that lead to anger which might have been heard and that anger escalated with the son becoming violent,

The neighbor might have heard the anger before it escalated to the son wanting to kill or hurt his own mother.

That is all wild speculation from my part based on what I have read. I really don't know.

I really assume nobody is happy that was involved in the incident only ones happy are those that have an agenda of wanting to push something for or against.

The article makes it sound like its all in a moment due to what mother has been quoted saying, however there could be more to the story, you can believe anything you want happened.



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: Prezbo369

Yes but those facts don't belong here do they?


Facts surrounding citizens shooting other citizens?.......no of course not....??



Well lucky this thread is not about beliefs,


To believe something is not hold a 'belief'...


You might not believe that the drug addicted son, addicted for many years it seems would do such thing and that the neighbor was right in defending,

What do you believe has happened?

The mother spoke with her son, knew of his condition and offered money to get his next fix all to have conspired with the neighbor to shoot him when he arrives to help the pro gun side of the debate that has been on going?

What do you believe happened?

Lets hear what you imagine happened and why you would imagine it happened, actually lets not.

Already enough emotion about the story on my part I don't want read any more stories about happiness and a kid being shot from points of view that are ignorant of whats reported and posted in the OP.


Seems to me that a blood thirsty meth addict intent on ripping his mothers throat out would've done much more damage in the time it would've taken for a helpful neighbor to come to her rescue. That he did come to her timely rescue makes little to no sense to me.






The mothers first hand account of what DID happen overrides your "Seems to me" account of what you think happened.

The neighbor may have been on the street at the time the incident began and had his weapon on his person...in which case his reaction time was pretty good from assessing the situation and deciding to use lethal force to stop the killing of another person.

Does it not make sense to you because you would not have done it? That comment doesn't really make sense....how does his timely rescue of the mother not make sense to you?



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: Ancient Champion
He could have shot the kid in the legs and then disarmed him.


Please tell me that's sarcasm.



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: Ancient Champion
Huh?..the mom is happy she is alive not that her son is dead..nice way to twist a situation. I'm not a gun lover either but suggesting shooting the legs is not a solid move..been explained a million times here.



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: Ancient Champion
Yes let's ignore the mental problems in the country until it comes time to put person down.


A person with a crippling drug addiction who was either kicked out by the mother (probably the case, considering the attack) or left on their own accord has probably had plenty of opportunities to seek help and get clean. That the opportunities were squandered or ignored entirely is often the case of drug addicts. In order to get help, first you must WANT help. Nobody is ignoring the problem of drug addiction, except for maybe the addicts themselves.



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: Hushabye
a reply to: InhaleExhale

No, person. I'm sorry. I did not mean to imply "all." The other reactions in this thread just made my heart a little dark for a moment. I apologize, and wish you well.


I know how you must of felt, got the same vibes from reading some replies,

No apologies needed, thanks for the clarification though.




posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe
The mothers first hand account of what DID happen overrides your "Seems to me" account of what you think happened.


Maybe so, but it would still have to make sense.


The neighbor may have been on the street at the time the incident began and had his weapon on his person...in which case his reaction time was pretty good from assessing the situation and deciding to use lethal force to stop the killing of another person.


If you'd watched the video in your source you'd know that a random person somehow saw the son stabbing the mother who was driving a car at the time, then went to the neighbors house who after being informed of what was apparently occurring, went inside to grab his gun, went back outside to wherever the car was at this stage, shouted a warning before shooting and killing the son.

A lot of time would've passed for this person, who was apparently attempting to rip his mothers throat out, to do exactly that....



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:39 AM
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This thread is full of facepalm moments.

Let me ask one question to the people who are posting their anti-gun nonsense:

What would have been your ideal ending to this attack?


The woman had her throat slashed open by a drug-fueled psychotic attacker.

Would the psycho have stopped with just cutting his mother's head off? Probably not. If he was capable of slicing his mother's throat, who knows what he would have done if he wasn't stopped. Many mass killings have started with the killer murdering a family member.

Would it somehow make you feel better if he was shot by a cop instead?



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: Ancient Champion
a reply to: doompornjunkie

anyone who wants to kill their own mom has some kind mental problem.



Or they fried the few brain cells they had left.

sometimes people cannot be saved, or want to be saved. That is the harsh reality of life .



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: Prezbo369


If you'd watched the video in your source you'd know that a random person somehow saw the son stabbing the mother who was driving a car at the time, then went to the neighbors house who after being informed of what was apparently occurring, went inside to grab his gun, went back outside to wherever the car was at this stage, shouted a warning before shooting and killing the son.

A lot of time would've passed for this person, who was apparently attempting to rip his mothers throat out, to do exactly that....


Everything you described could have happened in a matter of seconds. You're simply trying to make the story more convoluted than it is.



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:42 AM
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originally posted by: Answer
Everything you described could have happened in a matter of seconds. You're simply trying to make the story more convoluted than it is.


And the cutting of a throat takes how long exactly?




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