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originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: gmoneystunt
But the OP specifically states that they believe an afterlife is possible without God. That is the subject. Yes, I personally believe in an afterlife, and I am on the fence about reincarnation. But my personal beliefs aren't the subject of the thread.
The OP states that there can be an afterlife and a soul without God. I would like someone, anyone, to tell me how that is possible (without making juvenile attempts to link the issue to religion).
originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: Jonjonj
Depends on how you define "God", which I suppose the author of the OP should do. But yes, it certainly requires a source. Again, is this /spirit/soul eternal? If it goes on to an afterlife as suggested in the OP, where did that afterlife come from? Who created that soul/afterlife?
All things have a source. How is it that anyone can claim there is an afterlife that doesn't have one?
Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
originally posted by: DeadSeraph
Every single religion or spiritual philosophy on the face of the earth has a source (without making juvenile attempts to link the issue to religion). Yet all I have seen so far are juvenile attacks on "religion"
Was your comment then you said,
originally posted by: DeadSeraph
Every single religion or spiritual philosophy on the face of the earth has a source
Then you said,
(without making juvenile attempts to link the issue to religion)
Yet all I have seen so far are juvenile attacks on "religion"
originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: Jonjonj
I'm not demanding a religious explanation at all. Simply a logical explanation as to how there can be a soul and an afterlife, yet no God.
Here we are again, with you accusing me of being religious.
Who created that soul/afterlife?
originally posted by: droid56
Does a belief that we go on in spirit after we die require a belief in a god being?
Some writers define the soul as being the principle of organic life, having no existence of its own, and ceasing with the life of the body. According to this purely Materialistic belief, the soul is an effect, and not a cause.
Others consider the soul as being the principle of intelligence, the universal agent, of which each being absorbs a portion. According to them, there is, in the entire universe, only one soul, which distributes sparks of itself among all intelligent beings during their life ; each spark, after the death of the being it has animated, returning to the common source, and blending again with the general whole, as brooks and rivers return to the ocean from which they were produced. This opinion differs from the preceding one, inasmuch as, according to the latter hypothesis, there is in us something more than matter, something that remains in existence after our death; but, practically, it is much as though nothing remained of us, since, no longer possessing individuality, we should retain no consciousness of our identity.
According to this hypothesis, the universal soul is God, and each being is a portion of the Divinity. It is a species of Pantheism.
The beings who thus enter into communication with us designate themselves, as we have said, by the name of spirits or genie, and as having belonged, in many cases at least, to men who have lived upon the earth. They say that they constitute the spiritual world, as we, during our earthly life, constitute the corporeal world. We will now briefly sum up the most important points of the doctrine which they have transmitted to us, in order to reply more easily to the objections of the incredulous. "God is eternal, immutable, immaterial, unique, all-powerful, sovereignly just and good.
"Spirits belong to different classes, and are not equal to one another either in power, in intelligence, in knowledge, or in morality. Those of the highest order are distinguished from those below them by their superior purity and knowledge, their nearness to God, and their love of goodness; they are "angels" or "pure spirits."
originally posted by: droid56
My answer is "no". I believe we continue to exist after we die in a spiritual form, but I don't believe in a being god.
To me, it's a mystery.