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Crimeans would be happier to be left alone to rule themselves.
I hope Russia spends untold trillions defending Crimea and invading eastern Ukraine. When their economy collapses
I am not some pathetic loser who sits on the internet looking for approval by spewing the same tired BS others drool over.
I am being honest enough by taking the time to inform myself about the issue beyond blogs and MSM articles from either side
I F-ing read sir.
You said they would "die horrible deaths"....um, civil wars tend to have that happen. If Kiev is this horrible thing, and I am not saying it is or is not, then that is still a Ukranian Problem all day long.
How cool is that? What about the children sir?
Oh F-ing PLEASE.
originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: tadaman
How about this for a point of view. If Russia had not done what they did then right now Crimea would resemble donetsk and lughansk. And have massive civilian casualties just like those two places.
originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: noeltrotsky
When was the last time you were in Crimea? What did you see there? What is the weather like? It looks like a beautiful place.Would love one day to go there.
originally posted by: tadaman
You have been there. Tell me. If they had been offered to be independent of BOTH Russia and the Ukraine would they have not voted in the vast majority to be free of both Kiev and Moscow?
Putin ‘wants to rebuild USSR with Ukraine’ – Brzezinski
Brzezinski: “Well, he is certainly following a calculus, but a rather short-term one in my judgement. For example, he disguised his troopers that he sent into Crimea as, somehow or other, people from Mars: you don’t know where they are from, right. That’s deniability. That’s a little bit like mafia sending in gangsters to kill someone with their faces covered. Okay, so what does that accomplish? Everybody knows that they are from Russia, but still there is deniability. My guess is that, when he did that, he was contemplating the possibility of then going further. If there is no reaction from the Ukrainians in general and if there is no reaction from the West, he can pull these stunts off in eastern Ukraine, take over district by district, and then eventually dismember Ukraine and then impose a government of his choice in Kyiv.”
At the same time, we can assure the Russians that it is not our objective to seduce Ukraine into NATO, which the Russians might view as a military threat. And, incidentally, a large percentage of Ukrainians don’t want to be in NATO, while they do want to be independent. So, it’s quite consistent with political reality. But at the same time we have to convey to him very quietly, not in a fashion that humiliates him, that if he is not inclined to accommodate or if he is even inclined to go further and threaten Ukraine, there will be consequences. If the Russians refuse to accommodate in Crimea, I guarantee you the vast majority of Ukrainians who are not anti-Russian [now] will turn anti-Russian.”
I think to most readers its patently clear that Russia is nothing more than defend itself and that the US is very much on the offensive in the Ukraine and wants to take over Russia and then be the sole ramaining superpower.