Thousands of snow geese die-in air! Another BS excuse laid out.

As soon as you show that a snow goose is a small bird.

Really? It's easier for you to buy a story about a methane cloud than some bird disease? .
You don't think that takes a bit more imagination than disease?


a reply to: Rezlooper

Duplicate post see below.

Oh and information about when to take off is determined by daylight hours. That's how they know when to start a migration going north or south. It's not the choice of any lead bird. Where to stop is always going to be near a water source because geese are water fowl.

a reply to: intrptr

Just look up goose migration. The lead bird is what ever birds up front. They take turns because the lead bird is in a position which requires more energy expenditures. The v formation is to save energy on long flights. The birds follow rivers or mountain ranges to get from breeding grounds to winter quarters. You give them way more credit than is due. Most of what they do is instinct. Not information passed from one goose to another except genetically. How would they do that? Geese don't talk to each other. I've only heard two sounds from geese. Honk or hiss. They don't pass information from generation to generation except for genetic instinct. Like taking off when the days start getting longer or shorter.
There's no hierarchies is bird populations. They're hardly self aware never mind recognizing a leader.
I could ask you if you're a migrating bird as well. What a dumb question.





news.discovery.com...

So if I post something like "not buying it" or "I bet the government is responsible" can I get lots of stars too? Can I? Can I?

Your figures assume the birds took off right after feeding or drinking at the source of the infection but they could have landed at sunset and not taken off for many hours. Your figure also assumes,they all ate and drank at exactly the same time. That they all took off at exactly the,same time, that their systems process this exactly the same way...

The bodies were located at a few different spots. Lakes and animal management areas.
And yes there will probably be bodies that are never found. One's that get eaten by other animals etc...

reply to: DexterRiley

This is the biggest can of worms I've ever opened...Look out, here comes some birds...gotta run

a reply to: w8tn4it

Actually, this is an oportunity of a lifetime:

Go to the pet shop and buy a canary, take it to Mud Lake, give it some water from the lake, preferably mixed with some greenish goose droppings, sit back and observe how it gets hit by an invisible UFO...

a reply to: AutumnWitch657

Your figures assume the birds took off right after feeding or drinking at the source of the infection but they could have landed at sunset and not taken off for many hours.

Yes there were a lot of assumptions in my calculations. But given the additional variables that you infer, the trail of dead birds would be much longer than 300 miles, beginning closer to the source of infection.

Your figure also assumes,they all ate and drank at exactly the same time. That they all took off at exactly the,same time, that their systems process this exactly the same way...

Not exactly. Given the documented incubation period of 6 to 12 hours, the distribution of dead geese would remain the same whether they took off one at a time, or all at once. Presumably that distribution would have been a gaussian function with most of the carcasses found near the mean of 9 hours.

The bodies were located at a few different spots. Lakes and animal management areas.

My original calculations were based on the headline that indicated they fell out of the air. However, in reading the actual press release from Idaho Fish and Game, it appears that the geese had landed at the lakes and died in those locations, rather than dropping out of the air. So, that information for the most part negates my trail-of-death hypothesis.

And yes there will probably be bodies that are never found. One's that get eaten by other animals etc...

That's the most disconcerting part for me. Even though the disease itself only affects birds and poultry, other animals can carry the disease bacteria and spread the infection. There were concerns from Idaho Fish and Game concerning some eagles that were spotted in the areas where the dead geese were found.

Had my trail-of-death hypothesis been valid the possibility of an epidemic would be much higher. However, because the carcasses were mostly confined to a limited area, a more widespread epidemic is unlikely.


dex

a reply to: AutumnWitch657

How would they do that? Geese don't talk to each other.

If they are a year old they had made the trip once. The older birds have made the trip more times and know the route better than younger birds. They are also stronger and can lead longer. Sure they change out, once direction is established. They find water by looking for the glint off water at altitude. Knowing stop and rest "ponds" along the way is the same for migratory beds as it is for older elephants to know location of water holes and older primates to know which season trees fruit and where they are in the Jungle.

Birds find these way points and food sources because they have been there before and know the way. Most of the birds know the distance between waypoints require differing amounts of reserve energy. This leg is long, load up, this leg is short, travel light. If the birds become lost for some reason, they can all fly to exhaustion or starvation and thats why these events happen, because they all stick together. They fly to the leader, even 'dozing' on the wing to conserve energy.

I understand the echelon formation thing, too.

Humans emulate this behavior under certain circumstances. Flights of bombers in WWII all flew to the lead navigator and dropped their bombs to the lead bombardier. Flight 19 became lost over the infamous Bermuda triangle and all ditched together when their fuel ran out.

Just human examples of the necessities encountered when navigating over long distances.

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
Over a body of water?

Methane release maybe?

There have been mass die-offs due to methane clouds before.

That was my first thought when reading the OP. If the lab doesn't come back with some other confirmed method of death my money is on methane cloud.

Delaware-sized methane cloud hovers over New Mexico

Methane Thought To Be Responsible For Mass Extinction

originally posted by: kevinp2300
a reply to: w8tn4it

the article chalks it up to avian cholera..

i find that scenario hard to believe.

a reply to: w8tn4it

Some animals eat the same poisonous substance or toxic plant or toxic water which could be bloom based, and die on mass.

a reply to: DexterRiley

The disease is not confined to Idaho, if you check this out:
New and Ongoing Wildlife Mortality Events Nationwide

you will see that recent and ongoing avian cholera outbreaks are ocurring in California (mainly), but also Montana, Illinois, Nevada.

Especially California is relevant, as the birds would have passed there before stopping over at Idaho.

so large invisible silent craft could be a cause of these deaths (seeing as the corresponding thread in UFO forum was redirected here)

a reply to: w8tn4it

This is obviously a weapons test

Western powers that be preparing for war with Russia

They like it because it means de population

originally posted by: Quadlink
Avian cholera....... ye right

Oh gee thanks for this informative and insightful contribution to the thread. I sure wish we had more members like you.
You make the rest of us look like geniuses.

In this case clearly they are all over a year old. They are just now returning to their breeding grounds from where they spend the winter. There would not be any geese who had not at least made the trip south once. .
What are you going on about. " this leg is long load up, this leg is short travel light"
They do not communicate stuff like that. They take off from winter quarters when the days begin to get longer. They travel during daylight hours. They land and feed and rest when the whim hits them during the day and land for the night when the sun starts to set. They don't know a good feeding area from a bad feeding area. They don't know distances. A small lake that was there one year might be dried up the next. A river that was teaming with fish may be low due to lack of rain or snow or may be flooded and raging so it can't be used. These animals are opportunists. They take What they can when they can.
No goose is laying out an itinerary for the trip or saying HEY kids this next leg of the journey there are not many lakes or rivers so you'd better load up. Stop giving these dumb animals qualities they don't possess



a reply to: intrptr

a reply to: jude11

I don't buy it either,what could be the explanation for these deaths? these are just for March 2015 the list is enormous for 2014

MASS ANIMAL DEATH LIST Event Summary for 2015 - 200 Known MASS Death Events in 48 Countries

20th March 2015 - 1,500 cattle dead due to drought in Bosconia, Colombia. Link

19th March 2015 - Thousands of dead fish found covering part of the Kerian River in Dead fish in MalaysiaMalaysia. Link

19th March 2015 - Hundreds of ducks, other birds and eels found dead 'due to disease' in West Aukland, New Zealand. Link

18th March 2015 - 50 TONS of fish have died in a lake in Dong Nai Province, Vietnam. Link

18th March 2015 - Hundreds of birds killed due to avian flu in Thanh Hoa, Vietnam. Link

18th March 2015 - Hundreds of dead fish and a dolphin wash up along a beach in Outer Banks, N.Carolina, America. Link

18th March 2015 - Masses of dead fish continue to wash ashore in Montevideo, Uraguay. Link

17th March 2015 - 2,000+ snow geese drop dead out of sky in Idaho, America. Link

17th March 2015 - Hundreds of dead fish found in a canal in Tampico, Mexico. Link

16th March 2015 - Hundreds of birds dead from avian flu in Amethi, India. Link

16th March 2015 - Thousands of dead fish wash up in Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia. Link

15th March 2015 - Mass die off of cattle due to drought in Araucania, Chile. Link

15th March 2015 - Masses of dead fish appear again on the shores of Lake San Roque in Cordoba, Argentina. Link

15th March 2015 - 55 dolphins and 4 sea lions found dead on a beach in San Felipe, Mexico. Link55 Dolphins dead in Mexico

15th March 2015 - Hundreds of dead fish wash up along Chesapeake Canal in America. Link

15th March 2015 - Massive die off of fish in a lake in Xiamen, China. Link

14th March 2015 - Massive die off of Salmon occuring in Marlborough Sounds, New Zealand. Link

13th March 2015 - 80,000 birds killed due to more outbreaks of avian flu in Taiwan, China. Link

13th March 2015 - 50 cattle have died 'mysteriously' causing shock in a village in eastern Botswana. Link

13th March 2015 - Large die off of fish in a lake 'due to disease' in Reeuwijk, Netherlands. Link

12th March 2015 - 40,000 birds to be killed due to avian flu in Arkansas, America. Link

12th March 2015 - 30,000 birds killed due to avian flu in Barneveld, Netherlands. Link

12th March 2015 - Hundreds of dead fish found floating in a lake in Yate, New Caledonia. Link

11th March 2015 - Hundreds of TONS of clams have died off, 'never happened before like this' in Ha Tinh, Vietnam. Link

11th March 2015 - 200+ TONS of dead fish wash ashore along the coast of Montevideo, 200 Tons of dead fish in UraguayUraguay. Link

10th March 2015 - Large die off of ducks during winter on Long Island, New York, America. Link

10th March 2015 - Hundreds of dead fish found floating in a pond in Uppsala, Sweden. Link

10th March 2015 - Tens of thousands of birds to be killed due to avian flu in Missouri, America. Link

9th March 2015 - Hundreds of dead turtles, plus hundreds of dead fish found in Bocas del Toro, Panama. Link

9th March 2015 - 250,000 birds killed due to avian flu in Monywa, Myanmar. Link

9th March 2015 - Hundreds of dead fish found on a beach in Tolu, Colombia. Link

9th March 2015 - 19 dead turtles found on Pulau Tiga Island in Malaysia. Link

9th March 2015 - 100+ cattle have died 'due to suspected grass poisoning' in Gujarat, India. Link

9th March 2015 - 10,000 fish have died in fish farms in Sikao, Thailand. Link

8th March 2015 - 550 dead animals (mainly deer) found, 'due to snow and cold' in Leon, Spain. Link

7th March 2015 - 1,450 Sea lion pups have washed ashore this year ill and dying - 'possibly 10,000 have died' in California, America. Link

7th March 2015 - Thousands of dead fish wash up in new die off in Lim Chu Kang, Singapore. Link

6th March 2015 - 600 TONS of dead fish due to algae in fish farms in the east of Singapore. Link

6th March 2015 - Massive die off of prawns, 'cause unknown' in Aroor, India. Link

6th March 2015 - 15,000 turkeys dead due to avian flu in Minnesota, America. Link

6th March 2015 - Hundreds of cattle are dead due to drought in southern Ecuador. Link

6th March 2015 - 10,000+ cattle dead due to flooding of the river Ebro in Spain. Link

5th March 2015 - Thousands of dead fish wash up on beaches in Buenos Aires, Argentina.Fish dead in Argentina Link

5th March 2015 - 12 turtles stranded, 3 dead, on a beach in Abruzzo, Italy. Link

5th March 2015 - 9,000+ birds are dead due to another avian flu outbreak in Bauchi State, Nigeria. Link

5th March 2015 - Thousands of dead fish wash up along Derwent river in Tasmania, Australia. Link

5th March 2015 - Thousands of dead fish found in Cabo Frio, Brazil. Link

5th March 2015 - Millions of birds killed due to avian flu during past 6 months in South Korea. Link

5th March 2015 - 1,100 Birds killed due to avian flu outbreak in Mekong Delta, Vietnam. Link

4th March 2015 - 4.17 MILLION birds have been killed since January due to avian flu in Taiwan, China. Link

4th March 2015 - 300 Snow Geese have died this winter due to disease in Illinois, America. Link

4th March 2015 - Thousands of dead fish found on coast of East Java, Indonesia. Link

4th March 2015 - 23,500 Birds to be killed due to avian flu in Schwanewede, Germany. Link

4th March 2015 - INFO: 30 dolphins/whales and 54 turtles wash up dead during 2014 in Abruzzo, Italy. Link

3rd March 2015 - 'Lots' of dead turtles found on a beach in Piacabucu, Brazil. Link

3rd March 2015 - Thousands of dead fish, plus dead ducks found in a lagoon in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Link

3rd March 2015 - Large die off of fish 'due to cold weather' at 3 sites in Nova Scotia, Canada. Link

3rd March 2015 - Hundreds of dead fish found floating in a river in Hainan, China. Link

2nd March 2015 - 100,000 ducks killed due to avian flu in Fuzesgyarmat, Hungary. Link

2nd March 2015 - Thousands of TONS of shellfish have died off during past few years in Whangarei Harbour, New Zealand. Link

2nd March 2015 - 3 dead whales found washed ashore in Chennai, India. Link

2nd March 2015 - Hundreds of dead fish found in a pond in Aguascalientes, Mexico. Link

2nd March 2015 - Thousands of dead fish found washed up along Columbia River in Portland, America. Link

1st March 2015 - Dozens of birds drop dead out of the sky in Tennessee, America. Link

1st March 2015 - Masses of various marine creatures washing ashore dead on Pasir Ris beach in Dead creatures SingaporeSingapore. Link

1st March 2015 - Mass die off of fish and reptiles due to burst fuel pipe in Tabasco, Mexico. Link

mass animal deaths

your correct there's much more to this!! viruses bacterial infections don't work this way it takes time for these things to spread and they spread one by one not all at once not to mention if they were that sick they wouldn't be flying. absolutely ridiculous so tired of the bs that's being fed to the public they just say whatever will shut us up... this has to be the dumbest nation on earth and in recorded history.
I may believe it when I see people dropping in droves. whomever is reaching for an explanation and it's not a very good one