911 Truth Hijacked: 911 Perps Created the Truth Movement!

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
lets call the group, SPACETRUTHRERS"

Yeah, more witches!

For people who have the courage to admit they've never heard anything else about Judy Wood than "energy beams from space":

This tale became fact in the minds of the debunker mob. Shadow Herder seems to have included the gossip in his world view.

For those who wish to base their worldview on more than just guessing:

The "star wars" program is mentioned by Dr. Judy Wood in a very clear context of exploration and research of physics and technology.
As pointed out; the thermite/explosives theory does NOT explain the fact that 14 people survived the complete destruction of the central core WHILE BEING IN IT. This is one of the reasons Judy Wood departs from the thermite/conventional explosives approach early on in the process, and so she arrives in other areas than the thermite camp.

Judy Wood looks beyond the mainstream explanations there where they FAIL TO EXPLAIN OBSERVATION.

OP has been ranting about beams from space for a week. His harsh judgement of Judy Wood and her work is based on debunker gossip and ignorance.

Disinfo Agent Judy Wood has done a successful job at infiltrating 9/11 Conspiracy Groups, causing dissent from within while simultaneously discrediting them in the eyes of the public by making them all look as crazy as her and her followers.

Judy Wood also has programmed many of her followers to become active shills themselves, violently attacking the nanothermite evidence and spreading seeds of disinformation and doubt:

or years Dr. Judy Wood (and her band of Disinfo Agent followers) have encouraged people to forget about the explosions, the evidence of melted steel, the evidence of nanothermite found in WTC dust samples, and other tell-tale signs of controlled demolition, and to instead engage in hours of meaningless debate over WHAT actually happened, the plausibility of DEW laser weapons, and a host of pictures of debris and damage. Instead of using credible scientific terminology in her descriptions she instead uses kitchen and food items to describe photographic evidence, in a direct effort to distort and distract people away from the actual scientific evidence, such as Metallurgical Studies

mrthomaspotter.com...

a reply to: Shadow Herder

Almost certainly deliberate disinformation agents, whose presentations are so fraught with errors, straw-man arguments or unverifiable factoids, that it stretches credulity to accept that they act in good will. At best, SOME of these people may “mean well” but their arguments are so misleading that they make honest researchers look look like quacks – which just might be their whole mission.

Dimitri Khalezov

Ace Baker

Judy Wood

Others who propose unnecessarily far-out theories like nukes, no-planes, UFO’s,” etc\alternativeresearcher.com...

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a reply to: Shadow Herder

Again, Judy Wood has never stated the twin towers were been destroyed by beams from space. This you have form hearsay.

Exploring the "starwars" program, physics and technology is not the same as promoting a theory.

When accusing public people anonymously you could at least provide something more than just opinions and claims.

a reply to: wotyathink

On the day before the 5th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, Morgan Reynolds explained to a FOX News audience of millions:
"there are no big Boeing crashes . . . at all four events . . . what you will see is a fake, cartoon display . . ."
Dr. Reynolds exposes 9/11 TV fakery on FoxNews; 9.10.06
www.youtube.com/watch?v=reQZT9Hzvt8 (video)

David Shayler explained to reporters at The Times, The Liverpool Echo, and in public appearances recorded on video, that the Trade Center jetliner crashes where faked using "missiles wrapped in holograms", and that: "' . . . there is little evidence to show that jets went into the buildings . . . Watch the footage frame by frame and you will see a cigar-shaped missile hitting the World Trade Centre.'" 9/11 was an inside job says Shayler; by Paddy Shennan; January 22, 2007; The Liverpool Echo
daveshayler.com...

Judy Wood sent in her theory directly to NIST in the form of a legal document that energy weapons from space caused the destruction of the WTC Towers: "I assert that NIST contractors, as listed in NCSTAR 1, including by way of non-exhaustive example, those listed below, either knew or should have known of the falsity of NCSTAR 1 as it relates to the use of directed energy weapons." Request for Correction per Section 515 of Public Law 106-554 SUPPLEMENT #2 to RFC submitted April 20,2007
ocio.os.doc.gov... [pdf]

Jim Fetzer is the primary force behind publicity and press releases for the claims of Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds, advocating endless investigation into every possible scenario imaginable.
" . . . once [Fetzer] had become convinced that thermite/thermate could not explain the extent and character of the destruction, he began encouraging investigation of alternative hypotheses, including lasers, masers, and plasmoids."
CBS PULLS "HATCHET JOB" ON SCHOLARS FOR 9/11 TRUTH; February 1, 2007;

twilightpines.com...

"Jim Fetzer is the primary force behind publicity and press releases for the claims of Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds, advocating endless investigation into every possible scenario imaginable"

a reply to: Shadow Herder

To pipe in.... What are we saying here, David Shayler is a discreditor? He seems it... whacked out theories and cross dressing. Because it seemed a bit too convenient that he let the newspapers take lots of nice pictures of him posing in his cross dressing outfit... Like he was MEANT to be looking crazy so we wouldn't believe either him or his hologram theory.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder

Judy Wood sent in her theory directly to NIST in the form of a legal document that energy weapons from space caused the destruction of the WTC Towers: "I assert that NIST contractors, as listed in NCSTAR 1, including by way of non-exhaustive example, those listed below, either knew or should have known of the falsity of NCSTAR 1 as it relates to the use of directed energy weapons." Request for Correction per Section 515 of Public Law 106-554 SUPPLEMENT #2 to RFC submitted April 20,2007
ocio.os.doc.gov... [pdf]

The link you provide is about witness accounts and does not at all back up, nor has ANYTHING to do with the above quoted claims about anyone claiming "energy weapons from space caused the destruction of the WTC towers".

What is it you seek to accomplish with this kind of "investigations"?

a reply to: Rhiannon

Are you somehow suggesting that Silverstein made a bundle? That 4,000 Jews called in sick? That someone executed the put options? By all means, show us the proof.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder

On the day before the 5th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, Morgan Reynolds explained to a FOX News audience of millions:
"there are no big Boeing crashes . . . at all four events . . . what you will see is a fake, cartoon display . . ."
Dr. Reynolds exposes 9/11 TV fakery on FoxNews; 9.10.06
www.youtube.com/watch?v=reQZT9Hzvt8 (video)

David Shayler explained to reporters at The Times, The Liverpool Echo, and in public appearances recorded on video, that the Trade Center jetliner crashes where faked using "missiles wrapped in holograms", and that: "' . . . there is little evidence to show that jets went into the buildings . . . Watch the footage frame by frame and you will see a cigar-shaped missile hitting the World Trade Centre.'" 9/11 was an inside job says Shayler; by Paddy Shennan; January 22, 2007; The Liverpool Echo
daveshayler.com...

Jim Fetzer is the primary force behind publicity and press releases for the claims of Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds, advocating endless investigation into every possible scenario imaginable.
" . . . once [Fetzer] had become convinced that thermite/thermate could not explain the extent and character of the destruction, he began encouraging investigation of alternative hypotheses, including lasers, masers, and plasmoids."
CBS PULLS "HATCHET JOB" ON SCHOLARS FOR 9/11 TRUTH; February 1, 2007;

twilightpines.com...

"Jim Fetzer is the primary force behind publicity and press releases for the claims of Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds, advocating endless investigation into every possible scenario imaginable"

Since this was a reply to me: What has this to do with the observations that lay at the basis of Judy Woods investigations. Why not just debunk these observations?

originally posted by: and14263
Like he was MEANT to be looking crazy so we wouldn't believe either him or his hologram theory.

In case the perps are involved in disinfo (which we knew all along). But worse.., it wouldn't say anything about holograms being involved or not. Just have people think the thought of it is too stupid to even concider

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
Judy Wood sent in her theory directly to NIST

Where is this "theory"! And if you find it and get to read it; is it a theory?!

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
Almost certainly deliberate disinformation agents, whose presentations are so fraught with errors, straw-man arguments or unverifiable factoids, that it stretches credulity to accept that they act in good will. At best, SOME of these people may “mean well” but their arguments are so misleading that they make honest researchers look look like quacks – which just might be their whole mission.

Dimitri Khalezov

Ace Baker

Judy Wood

Well "almost certainly" is at least a step in the right direction from the earlier statements.

I do not know Ace and Dimitri, nor what Judy Wood does/doesn't in their beds, but still Shadow Herder WE CAN AVOID the speculation!

Just straight forward explain the curiosities that form the basis of Judy Woods investigation. Should not be that much to ask for when "she's been debunked"?

As far as I know even Richard Gage seems to avoid WHAT IT IS that puts Judy Wood on a different path than himself.

I'm subscriber at AE911 btw. Not that it prevents me from using my own brain.

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

"One of the primary means of immobilizing the American people politically today is to hold them in a state of confusion in which anything can be believed and nothing can be known… nothing of significance, that is."
-- E. Martin Schotz, "History Will Not Absolve Us: Orwellian Control, Public Denial, and the Murder of President Kennedy"

"A honey pot, in intelligence jargon, is a tempting source of information or 'dangle' that is set out to lure intended victims into a trap. Ultimately the honey pot is violently and maliciously discredited so as to destroy the credibility of anything stuck to it by association."
-- Michael Ruppert, "Crossing the Rubicon," p. 184

I remember when lose change came out we got to see the unedit version and we piped up loudly to remove the pod and other far out theories, mention wargames and financial trails, final product, had pods.

a reply to: Shadow Herder

This whole thread is about you claiming that a number of the more out of the box theories regarding 9/11 have been deliberately constructed by the true perpetrators of the attack to spread disinformation.

Do you accept that this is just merely your opinion rather than a actual fact

In other words would you accept that Judy Wood is in your opinion a Disinfo agent rather than it being a fact that she is actually a disinfo agent?

I only ask because you have not really provided any evidence to link these people and groups to the "real perps" of 9/11, so you cannot claim it to be a fact. Its just a opinion and you know what the say about opinions being like haemorrhoids.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
"A honey pot, in intelligence jargon, is a tempting source of information or 'dangle' that is set out to lure intended victims into a trap. Ultimately the honey pot is violently and maliciously discredited so as to destroy the credibility of anything stuck to it by association."
-- Michael Ruppert, "Crossing the Rubicon," p. 184

And this debunks your claims about Judy Wood? - and which are as follows:

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
"Dr" judy wood is part of this concentrated effort. Many websites were infiltrated by the TV FAKERY crowd who claimed that all collapse and crash video concerning 911 were CGI or faked. These theories are banned from many forums due to their origins being exposed as fake/fabricated. Judy wood came of this wood work. She's claiming that it was Space Lasers and exotic particle weapons and other fantastical theories that go against truths and common sense. These people are linked to the perpetrators of 911.

Worst of all you're spreading disinfo yourself. We're still waiting for you to provide evidence for these statement of yours:

"She's claiming that it was Space Lasers"

"Dr" judy wood is part of this concentrated effort".

"These people are linked to the perpetrators of 911"

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
haemorrhoids.

The good thing is:

# Truthers DO speak up when some of their own cross the line. And truthers mostly seem to respect other peoples opinions.

The interesting thing is:

## Dr. Judy Wood is not the "bad apple" as is claimed in OP, nor has she been debunked. So far Dr. Judy Wood simply is misunderstood.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Rhiannon

Are you somehow suggesting that Silverstein made a bundle? That 4,000 Jews called in sick? That someone executed the put options? By all means, show us the proof.

Won't because he can't. Gotta admit, "they" are really good. They managed to rig the largest controlled demolition in human history without anyone either seeing it or talking about it. Then they managed to set up a bunch of innocent people to look like they hijacked planes and flew them into buildings. It was a perfect crime. Except for YouTube, lol...

originally posted by: wotyathink

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
haemorrhoids.

The good thing is:

# Truthers DO speak up when some of their own cross the line. And truthers mostly seem to respect other peoples opinions.

The interesting thing is:

## Dr. Judy Wood is not the "bad apple" as is claimed in OP, nor has she been debunked. So far Dr. Judy Wood simply is misunderstood.

I think Judy is full of it!

unlike the OP i don't think she is a disinfo agent.

but if you want to discuss her theories then might i suggest you go and create a thread on the topic because getting drawn into her theories is kind of off-topic.

the topic at hand is the OP claiming that she or those like her are part of a coordinated disnfo agenda constructed by the "real perps" of 9/11 as opposed to those theories themselves

originally posted by: wotyathink
And truthers mostly seem to respect other peoples opinions.

You've got to be kidding.