911 Truth Hijacked: 911 Perps Created the Truth Movement!

a reply to: Shadow Herder

I don't actually need to watch the video to ask the question,

What evidence do you have that this is not disinfo but the likes of 9/11 review.org and all the other sites you posted to is acting as a coordinated disinformation agenda?

Because with out evidence this thread really just means that you refuse to acknowledge any 9/11 theory that you disagree with.

originally posted by: and14263

Indeed, the core should still remain standing.

Good! And I can't see how anyone could disagree with that.
Consequences are then that we don't get the progressive all-mighty pancake explanation to fit into the official conspiracy theory. We should then of course adjust the official conspiracy theory in an attempt to have the explanation in better accordance with the initial explosive observations.

Steven Jones comes along with a WTC dust sample and, allegedly!, sits on evidence of thermite! So now we know for sure (quite sure anyway), that the twin towers were cut in bits and pieces and blown apart.
This explanation, together with Richard Gage and Architects&Engineers-for-911-truth, is a much better explanation of course. Now we at least understand how the towers could have been brought down the way it looked like (in an explosive manner)..

As tiring and confusing it may sound, there is a problem with this explanation too and I'm afraid it's too big to just look the other way.
What we need to take a look at and talk about And1 (forgive me I forget the other numbers), is the central core construction. We would probably agree that it would take an enormous big bang to take out that beast? Lets have a look at a couple of images:





The thermite/explosives theory depends on the sudden release of an unfathomable amount of energy. The central core has to be taken out in a split second, many times!, from the top of the tower and all the way down to ground level. Can we imagine the immense heat and blast that would have to be involved?

We know the central core was taken out all the way down to ground level, because we can see the north tower ground level facade, amazingly enough, appear above that what we initially imagined to be a tremendous pile of 100+ progressive all-mighty pancakes:



Well for now lets add this drawing of the central core and note that the stairwells were located inside of the central core itself.



Please let me know, anyone, if there's anything you don't follow or disagree with sofar. To be continued..

Hi, I would love to discuss collapse theories with you but we can always do it on another thread.

As far as the disinformation being real there is no doubt that it is a fact that disinformation was created to muddy the waters of the truth stream.

If they cannot win they will attempt to silence their opponents.

ScholarsFor911Truth.org - Infiltrated.

The website ScholarsFor911Truth.org illustrates, perhaps better than any website, how disinformation both exploits and neutralizes some of the best work of 9/11 Truth researchers and activists. The website presents several potent assets:

The scholarly and meticulous work of members Steven Jones and David Griffin.
The impressive list of Scholars For 9/11 Truth members, including such distinguished contributors to the 9/11 Truth cause as Kevin Ryan, Don Paul, Andreas Von Buelow, Robert M. Bowman, Kevin Barrett, Ian Woods, and Victoria Ashley.
The concept of a group of scholars bringing together their expertise to challenge the government's account -- a first in the history of the 9/11 Truth Movement.
However, through the energetic spokespersonship of James Fetzer, ScholarsFor911Truth.org exploits these assets to increase its profile and thereby promote the Pentagon no-jetliner theory featured on its "Resources" page.
The association of the junk science typified by the ScholarsFor911Truth.org's resources page with the competent work of Jones and Griffin featured on the home page functions both to advance the former, and discredit the latter through association. In an essay examining ScholarsFor911Truth.org, Jim Hoffman concludes that the website may sabotage the work of Steven Jones.
911review.com...

9/11 Disinformation and Misinformation:
Definitions and Examples
By Arabesque1
“In this day and age, we all have to become experts on disinformation.”
2

" Jim Fetzer, Disinformation: The Use of False Information “One of the telling signs of many disinformation artists (who may or may not be gainfully employed by some ‘shadowy government agency’) is that a lot of their claims are simply too strong to be true…
I am not suggesting that any of them works for the NSA, the CIA, or the FBI. That creates an exaggerated
version of the situation as I see it that makes it easy to satirize.
I have no idea why they are doing what they are doing. But there are ample grounds based upon past experience to believe they are abusing logic and language to mislead and deceive others about the state of research...
On the basis of my experience with them, I believe this is deliberate. Their function appears to me to be
obfuscation...There is a serious disinformation movement afoot, one that finds the work of those they attack to be too
good to ignore..”

-Jim Fetzer, Signs of Disinformation

The word they use for this disnfo camapign is aka as Cointelpro -
Psychological warfare, as the term is used by the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff … comprises all moral and physical means other than orthodox military operations which tend to destroy the will and ability of the enemy to resist, to deprive him of support of allies or neutrals and to increase in our own troops and allies the will to victory. The implements of psychological warfare are: open propaganda, subversion, special operations (sabotage, guerrilla warfare, espionage), political and cultural pressures, economic pressures. The principal effects sought are persuasion, sympathy, terrorization, confusion, division and physical interference.

www.visibility911.org...


:The principal effects sought are persuasion, sympathy, terrorization, confusion, division and physical interference.:

9/11 was very serious. There is no doubt that the control of the flow of information has been rerouted and muddied.

Atta and the Venice flying circus. Great DOC on the hijackers training in U.S flight schools

This video adds some clarity to the topic at hand.

Ketcham, utilizing the public record, news reports, and his own sources, has painted the clearest portrait yet of the “urban mover” Mossad cell, and how they shadowed the five hijackers who took over American Airlines flight 77, which struck the Pentagon to such devastating effect. Living, working, and socializing within a six-mile radius of Bergen County, these two groups circled each other until, on 9/11, as a dark pall fell over Manhattan and much of the rest of the world, one applauded the others’ handiwork.

original.antiwar.com...

That is not good. Just like the 1st wtc bombing, the fbi cooked the bombs and helped the terrorists along.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder

Hi, I would love to discuss collapse theories with you but we can always do it on another thread.

Yes we're getting close to a couple interesting questions. You seem to be aware of that.
Unless you decide to present something more than just accusations and smearing campaign I'd suggest we do the reviewing of them in both threads. After all you've had your say in both threads.

And let me add this is about observation, not discussing theories.

a reply to: wotyathink

At the time of writing, Gerard Holmgren & Rosalee Grable have been joined by a few others. One (notably) being Nico Haupt. Together with Prof. Morgan Reynolds and Prof. Judy Wood (and others) they have analysed all the various footage of 9/11 available, applied some real Physics, and have come to the conclusion that there were no commercial airliners (i.e. ‘big Boeings’) involved in the 9/11 atrocity. This is, of course, contrary to a number of ‘eye-witness’ reports. Those have obviously been studiously examined, and found to be sufficiently ‘wanting’ as to be dismissible for various reasons.

www.veronicachapman.com...

They are part of a groups that purposefully muddy the waters. It is good to educate yourselves to this and you will forever hear and see the news properly.