911 Truth Hijacked: 911 Perps Created the Truth Movement.
Immediately after the 911 attacks there was evidence that was being released that was quite damming to the official story such as, Israeli agents
following, shadowing, living next to the 911 hijackers as they trained at U.S flight schools, insider trading, missing billions in gold from WTC
basement, Electronic Hijacking of the FAA on 911 by Israeli Ptech.
These facts were gaining much exposure on the internet and mainstream tv. This had to stop. this lead to the creation of the 911 fake truth movement
which was created to obfuscate, irritate, insult, and mislead the curious people who were attempting to learn some facts concerning 911 while
attempting to make 911 conspiracies a big joke with no connection to Israelis, insider trading etc.
Video :Israelis helped the terrorists.
This truth movement was quickly hijacked by a people hired to infiltrate, hijack and destroy the movement by leading the 911 truth movement.
I did not do it- Bin Laden
Now as all this information was being released especially concerning the Israeli involvement another movement was taking place, webpages were popping
up promoting stupid theories that were usually met with furious disagreement from the 911 truth movement yet these disinformation theories were
promoted extensively even by the mainstream media as coming from the 'truth movement'.
The first as many of you may remember was the WEBFAIRY "Webfairy", aka Rosalee Grable, an internet writer who claims that the World Trade Center
was not hit by Boeing 767 airliners on 9/11, and instead was attacked by what she sometimes calls a "whatzit" (or more recently, a "dive bombing
thingie"). This is, she claims, a secret weapon which is revealed in the footage of the first WTC crash from the DVD "9/11" by the Naudet brothers to
be something radically different from a 767. In my first critique, I showed that her analysis was fundamentally flawed, being based on a degraded,
half-size version of original broadcast footage which suffered greatly from mpeg compression artifacts, which she then interpreted to represent real
objects & phenomena. In addition, I showed that she made numerous mistakes which reveal that she is nowhere near possessing competence in
understanding the basic technical issues of video.
The hijacking tactics of the truth movement that worked were usually focused on poor, grainy videos and pictures and not from hard written evidence
which previously were linking Israelis to 911 etc There was a concentrated effort to focus on the collapse of the towers claiming it was a
controlled demolition, though it may be possible that some control over the collapse were used, the fake truth movement focused on thermite bombs,
mini nukes, exotic weapons then it quickly jumped to focusing on the video anomalies found on low resolution poor quality video clips claiming the
plane had missile pods attached to it, that it was a windowless fuel tanker, it was a hologram, it was loaded with napalm, it was a space weapon etc.
OR THAT THERE WAS NO PLANE at all and that it was a hologram.
When people started to question the small crater in Shanksville said to have been caused by Flight 93, Letsroll911 then furiously started the theory
of 'flight 93 was shot down' getting 'interviews' from the pilots that fired a missile and shot down flight 93. This got massive mainstream attention
which is still promoted today but as these tactics were created for one reason, to confuse you, to insult you, and to point the finger away from where
you should look. For example, the crater was too small for a large commercial airliner so the theory of it was shot down somewhere else was
The pods people, Jayhan, their website letsroll911 which had a popular discussion forum in which Dylan Avery(loose change), Nico Haupt, and Rose
(webfairy) were active members of. The silly theories that were created and debunked on their very own website was still being promoted by them
even when shown high quality images and video showing that their claims were 100% false, it did not stop them. The mainstream media aired these 911
theories showing how crazy 911 conspiracies and theorists are.
The same company that owns the rights to the Naudet film is also connected to Vanity fair and Popular Mechanics who ran a hit
piece against 911 conspiracy theories which was featured on the cover page of Popular
Mechanics worked with these conspiracy people to create strawman theories , promote them, then have them debunked in a magazine.
"Background | Podcast | Book | FAQ | Sources
Where's The Pod? | No Stand-Down Order | Flight 175's Windows | Intercepts Not Routine
The World Trade Center
Widespread Damage | "Melted" Steel | Puffs of Dust | Seismic Spikes | WTC 7 Collapse
Big Plane, Small Holes | Intact Windows | Flight 77 Debris
The White Jet | Roving Engine | Indian Lake | F-16 Pilot"
The past qoute is from Pop. Mech. Notice the theories that they debunk all came from Letsroll911.org and its affiliates.
There are three kinds of 9/11 truth seekers: (i) Those who can connect the dots. (ii) Agents employed by the perpetrators to muddy the waters. (iii)
Those who have been misled and misdirected by the latter group.
It has now emerged that Deborah Simon - a woman who married into a wealthy family of Zionist billionaires - is a common link between many of the phony
truth seekers and Zionist real estate billionaires who are in regular contact with Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israeli State. Deborah Simon is linked
to Phil Jayhan (who runs www.letsroll911.org), Tom Flocco, Karl Schwarz (aka Jon Carlson), John Kaminski, and is also believed to have financed the
Loose Change video after a meeting with Dylan Avery.
For months, Daryl Bradford Smith and Eric Hufschmid have maintained that the 9/11 truth movement is dominated by Zionist disinformation agents
working to protect the 9/11 perpetrators. Initially, this seemed somewhat exaggerated, and Hufschmid's treatment of the three lads who made Loose
Change appeared less than fair.
The Simon family includes two Deborahs. Deborah J Simon is the daughter of Melvin Simon and Vice President of Simon Properties. The shills handler,
Deborah S Simon, is the daughter of Gerald Cox, a former Captain of Naval Intelligence, and married Jeffrey who was one of the sons of the Simon
family. Jeffrey died, evidently of a drug overdose, in the Eighties. Deborah S Simon is still in close contact with Diane Meyer Simon, who married
Herbert Simon in 1981. Herbert, 71, is ranked 346= with $1.0 billion in the Forbes 400 (Richest Americans); Melvin, 78, is ranked 93= with $2.5
Melvin Simon is a business partner of Larry Silverstein and Frank Lowy, who acquired the World Trade Center - and made sure the insurance did not
exclude terrorism - a mere six weeks before the 9/11 attacks. Larry Silverstein had close ties to Ariel Sharon, Ehud Barak, and Benjamin Netanyahu.
The latter used to call Silverstein every Sunday afternoon, New York time, without fail. Netanyahu is linked to both 9/11 and the London
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Jayhan promotes nonsense such as the "pod" theories, Flocco pushes absurd stories about Barbara Olson being arrested at a non-existent border,
Schwarz/Carlson also directs people to the Bush administration rather than Israel (when Rumsfeld and Cheney agreed to crash a UAV into the Pentagon
they were not told about the planned WTC demolition and that Israeli agents were setting them up as reserve patsies), Kaminski is trying to turn those
who recognise the true WTC demolishers into racists who hate all Jews, and the Loose Change producers were persuaded not to broach the subject of
Israeli culpability in 9/11. In a telephone conversation, Deborah S Simon admitted to Christopher Bollyn that the evidence is overwhelming that the
Israeli government was involved in and had foreknowledge of 9/11. The products of the people she works with are inconsistent with that
The first video to come from these people was 911: In Plane Site which focused on poor quality footage claiming a missile was fired from flight 175.
This video was just on Netflix. The crockumentry was debunked and ridiculed which was the intended objective, shorty after Loose Change was created.
The theories that were going to be featured in Loose change were debunked by real truthers on their website yet they proceeded this 911 disinformation
film. These films were created to be debunked and to point you away from real evidence.
Here is a video showing Dylan Avery of Loose Change ( disinformation creator and peddler) fighting his friend Nico Haupt about no planes at WTC that
it was a hologram. These people worked together and in the video you can see the confusion they are trying to convey, as they pretend to be
adversaries, the confusion they are trying to display to the public 'two truthers fighting over stupid theories' Intended objective.
"Dr" judy wood is part of this concentrated effort. Many websites were infiltrated by the TV FAKERY crowd who claimed that all collapse and crash
video concerning 911 were CGI or faked. These theories are banned from many forums due to their origins being exposed as fake/fabricated. Judy wood
came of this wood work. She's claiming that it was Space Lasers and exotic particle weapons and other fantastical theories that go against truths and
common sense. These people are linked to the perpetrators of 911.
When you see these theories being promoted question the origins and intent behind the poster for spreading these known lies. When these theories are
posted pay close attention to the other posters who magically come in and start to support the fabricated disinformation. These same people will also
join 911 discussion than without any care to the topic so they can inject their vile theories of holograms, missiles, exotic weapons or far out
theories as to derail the topic, cause arguments, and ruin the thread.
To wrap up, the 911 conspiracy truth movement was created, maintained and controlled by the perps of 911. The 911 truth movement was really a cover
for the 911 cover up movement. You all have been duped and affiliates of this program are here at this very forum.
Here is Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
Note: The first rule and last five (or six, depending on situation) rules are generally not directly within the ability of the traditional disinfo
artist to apply. These rules are generally used more directly by those at the leadership, key players, or planning level of the criminal conspiracy or
conspiracy to cover up.
1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor,
etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.
2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being
critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.
3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations.
Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way
the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify
it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.
4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the
opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation,
or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges,
real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify
as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists',
'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support
out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be
fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new
identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues,
and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.
7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other
bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.
8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to
illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.
9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any
sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
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a short list of "no plane" promoters
911 Citizens Commission (a booklet published by In Plane Site promoters to distract from the 9/11 Citizens Commission held 9/9/2004 in New York City)
Melvin Simon is a business partner of Larry Silverstein and Frank Lowy, who acquired the World Trade Center - and made sure the insurance did
not exclude terrorism - a mere six weeks before the 9/11 attacks.
I heard they had recently been sold… but not often. Thanks for the look down the financial rabbit hole. Follow the money…
Further: One way to ferret the truth is to look for the part of the narrative thats missing. What the media and internet disinfo crowd omit in
conversation will be closer to the truth.
Another way of recognizing the lie is to listen for what is repeated over and over (Campaigning information).
When these theories are posted pay close attention to the other posters who magically come in and start to support the fabricated
disinformation. These same people will also join 911 discussion then without any care to the topic so they can inject their vile theories of
holograms, missiles, exotic weapons or far out theories as to derail the topic, cause arguments, and ruin the thread.
Ding, ding… burying nuggets of truth under tons of debris, for posterity. Id hate to be the future trying to sort it all out.
The rest of the disinformation tactics employed on forums like this one
10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man -- usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will
make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with - a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily
contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency
plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as
simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.
11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the 'high road' and 'confess' with candor that
some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater
criminalities which, 'just isn't so.' Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later, and even publicly 'call for an end to the nonsense' because you
have already 'done the right thing.' Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for 'coming clean' and 'owning up' to your mistakes without
addressing more serious issues.
12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the
entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to lose interest more quickly without having to
address the actual issues.
13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic
which forbears any actual material fact.
14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues
qualifying for rule 10.
15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.
16. Vanish evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.
17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or
controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with
you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses
which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid
discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then
focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'
19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented
by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not
be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid
discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are
acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.
20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful
tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed
with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.
21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize
all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance,
if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed and unavailable to subsequent
investigators. Once a favorable verdict is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed. Usually, this technique is applied to find the
guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim.
22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via
scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so
23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of
unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.
24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to
address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of theircharacter by release of
blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.
25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate
the kitchen. . www.whale.to...
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In the years I have spent looking into 9/11 as well as UFO's, obviously with both subjects there's a lot more going on that may never be revealed,
however I am convinced that a concerted disinformation campaign has been waged within both subjects.
Or to put it another way, some peeps HAVE been pumping obvious fakery into the mix, as far as 9/11 goes, the ''no plane'' view is most certainly one
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911 Truth Hijacked: 911 Perps Created the Truth Movement!
So the Israeli's and Saudi Arabians created the truth movement?
From dis info tactics listed in OP:
9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility,
make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
By all measures, 9/11 was fantastically successful. It was a pro job. Having disinfo prepared is textbook stuff. Your list of disinfo sites is too
long I believe. Did you personally research all of them?
For instance, pilots for 9/11 truth has some material asserting the planes were not standard 747's not that there were no planes. Strong stuff by the
way. Go check it out.
In my model of the event, the design of the disinfo was genius. The perps were three parties and the disinfo concentrates on blaming one of the three.
That way, it harnesses a good bit of truth. Assigning responsibility to a single party will always lead to a dead end though. It's three parties and
I bet you know who the players are. You want to know where ISIS came from? My best guess is it's the same three parties. After 9/11, they grew very
confident in their capabilities.
My understanding is that there is 100% agreement on that at least 3 buildings were taken down on 911 by what we call controlled demolition. And 100%
do understand that the 911 event was a Reichstag fire.
And if you state that Judy Woods has stated WTC 1,2 & 7 were taken down by energy beams from space then you should provide a link so everyone is able
to verify your statement.
That said I do understand someones after the truth movement.
But I also understand that if you haf to down 3 buildings on 911, then 2 planes are simply a stupid idea to get the job done. Also understood that
from there it's quite a leap to state that planes were not used. But the missile theory definitely is less stupid than using planes.
I am aware of zionism and most of the rest involved in policing the world and the solar system. But anyway what was it again that happened on 911?
There is a whole other school of though on this that turns the OP on its head. Basically rather than the real perps of 9/11 being behind the Truth
movement it was deliberately created to undermine Bush during the campaign for his second term in office.
Me, I personally think that the 9/11 truth movement basically started out as a bunch of people who could not handle that America was weak and got hit
hard so easily so started looking of excuses. There is quite a lot of interesting psychology behind the mentality of those who believe conspiracies
and I also think that has a big influence on the truth movement.
I also think this thread is a perfect example of how fractured the truth movement is, so many conflicting theories ranging from thermite to no planes
and super secret sexy super weapons. At least the official story is pretty consistent ask any two guys on the street who believe the official story
what happened that day, you get the same response as two truthers your going to get one guy claiming it was termite and another telling your you're a
moron for even thinking that planes were involved. One dude might tell it it was the Saudi's, another might tell you it was the Bush government and
there are more than a few who use 9/11 theories to voice their anti-semitism in a way that feels more socially acceptable..... by blaming the Jews for
the worst terrorist attack in modern times.
I do agree that a lot of people in the 9/11 truth movement fabricate lies but I think its got more to do with them wanting to make a name for
themseves and make a quick buck rather than because they are working for some kind of Israeli propaganda service. Just take a look at A&E for 9/11
truth for a perfect example of this. They tell blatant lies and charge people small fortune in some cases just for membership. And I am sure there
are more than a few authors and documentary makers out their who know they might boost sales if they say 9/11 was a false flag loudly enough and they
might even make up some stuff, exaggerate and cherry pick along the way to get those sales. That in my view is what is really killing 9/11 truth.
I see myself as a "true truther", I am interested in the truth, not the silly conspiracies or the regurgitation of what the 9/11 commission has to say
but the truth. Its really quite sad how when it comes to 9/11 the phrase "truther" has become a dirty work with negative connotations. I think its
about time us true truther's took back the truth movement.
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Interesting thread...reasonable premise. I was intrigued to see Flocco's name come up as I wrote him off as a phoney a number of years ago, on
entirely different matters. He is one of a certain 'bunch', who are prone towards scattering chaff in order to deflect legitimate inquiry.
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