911 Truth Hijacked: 911 Perps Created the Truth Movement!

originally posted by: Shadow Herder

Ketcham, utilizing the public record, news reports, and his own sources, has painted the clearest portrait yet of the “urban mover” Mossad cell, and how they shadowed the five hijackers who took over American Airlines flight 77, which struck the Pentagon to such devastating effect. Living, working, and socializing within a six-mile radius of Bergen County, these two groups circled each other until, on 9/11, as a dark pall fell over Manhattan and much of the rest of the world, one applauded the others’ handiwork.

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That is not good. Just like the 1st wtc bombing, the fbi cooked the bombs and helped the terrorists along.

Do you have one shred of proof to back up that statement? Anything at all? Not conjecture, not someone's "felling," but actual proof? I'm kidding of course. because I know you don't...

originally posted by: jaffo

originally posted by: Shadow Herder

Ketcham, utilizing the public record, news reports, and his own sources, has painted the clearest portrait yet of the “urban mover” Mossad cell, and how they shadowed the five hijackers who took over American Airlines flight 77, which struck the Pentagon to such devastating effect. Living, working, and socializing within a six-mile radius of Bergen County, these two groups circled each other until, on 9/11, as a dark pall fell over Manhattan and much of the rest of the world, one applauded the others’ handiwork.

original.antiwar.com...

That is not good. Just like the 1st wtc bombing, the fbi cooked the bombs and helped the terrorists along.

Do you have one shred of proof to back up that statement? Anything at all? Not conjecture, not someone's "felling," but actual proof? I'm kidding of course. because I know you don't...

Fbi involvement in first wtc bombing. There was a lot of disnfo that came out but when the information that the FBi pretty much set up the scenario for the would be terrorists, the subject must be changed.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder

originally posted by: jaffo

originally posted by: Shadow Herder

Ketcham, utilizing the public record, news reports, and his own sources, has painted the clearest portrait yet of the “urban mover” Mossad cell, and how they shadowed the five hijackers who took over American Airlines flight 77, which struck the Pentagon to such devastating effect. Living, working, and socializing within a six-mile radius of Bergen County, these two groups circled each other until, on 9/11, as a dark pall fell over Manhattan and much of the rest of the world, one applauded the others’ handiwork.

original.antiwar.com...

That is not good. Just like the 1st wtc bombing, the fbi cooked the bombs and helped the terrorists along.

Do you have one shred of proof to back up that statement? Anything at all? Not conjecture, not someone's "felling," but actual proof? I'm kidding of course. because I know you don't...

Fbi involvement in first wtc bombing. There was a lot of disnfo that came out but when the information that the FBi pretty much set up the scenario for the would be terrorists, the subject must be changed.

This is a blatant misrepresentation of facts. He was an INFORMANT, not an FBI operative. BIG difference. And what the FBI knew and when they knew it still really is not clear. Further, the man has NEVER claimed that the FBI cooked the bombs. Because that would be completely inaccurate. Like your post.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
They are part of a groups that purposefully muddy the waters. It is good to educate yourselves to this and you will forever hear and see the news properly.

Observation tells us that the original live 911 news was of real bad quality. Especially compared to the, allegedly, man-in-the-street footage that was aired later on.
It was a beautiful, clear morning wasn't it? You don't put choppers in the air only to outfit them with camera's made in 1960. Still most of the footage looked like real crappy recordings.

This alone should be enough to check out the the authenticity of the original MSM footage. Simply because you would be able to hide details better in bad quality footage. So yes I'm all for double checking MSM "news".

Whether I like Mr. Shack or not is secondary. Whether I believe "news" has been fabricated before, well no, we know this for fact.

If you find altered original MSM footage then you should of course ask questions. That has absolutely nothing to do with consciously muddy the waters. You may believe the no-plane pondering is done to limit the view of the masses you would like to herd from the shadows, but that's still belief, not fact.

Beside of this the planes is a real stupid idea if you absolutely haf to down 3 steel high rises on 911.

But then again, nothing of this would be proof of that no planes were used and personally I would not support anyone claiming that no planes were used. I wasn't even there. Most of us are just trying to make sense of a lot of info. That's all. No need to throw mud at us. Instead you've been asked to enlighten us and you simply have nothing.

We can conclude that you have not debunked any no-plane indications. And as usual you have not provided evidence of J. Wood being in bed with the perps either.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin AIPAC lobbied FOX News to remove from their website. Since then,. AIPAC has found itself embroiled in yet another espionage case, this time involving an operative inside the very Pentagon office from which many of the now discredited claims about Iraq's WMD.

FOX News threatened this website to force the removal of these videos, but they appear here at this outside website for those of you unaware that on 9-11, the largest foreign spy ring ever uncovered in the US was in the process of being rounded up, and that evidence linking these arrested Israeli spies to 9-11 has been classified by the US Government.

Maybe I was confused re: your op, and what you consider off-topic/hijacking are you trying to engage us in an open discussion/intelligent debate on who the perpetrators of 9-11 were, or only for us to agree/disagree that the truth movement is hijacked and by who?

I think it's obvious to anyone that has truly broken free of the hollywood media infotainment 'education' we all received from 5 years on, that the Bolshevik commie zionist jews not only perpetrated the attack, but profiteered from it, infiltrated the movement to profiteer from it, covered (threatened) it up easily if the 'samson option' has any truth to it, it would be easy to make everyone keep their mouths shut.

I think people need to face the fact that there are some serious literal psychopaths trying to march the globe to a one world order with the rot child and their ilk at the top. Anyone that disagrees with that imo is a disinfo agent or too afraid to entertain the thought that everything they've been taught their whole lives is a fairy hollywood tale. Wag the dog.

imo the very reason the msm and masses called the occupy movement a joke, is what made it legitimate. There was NO leaders, no organization, no single message. That to me is an organic movement, and those movements are the ones scary to the bolsheviks. To me, any movement that has a corporate like structure and is suddenly considered legitimate to be put in the msm, has been compromised. I give more credence to youtube videos from independent 'wackos' at this point than to anything seen/heard in msm, movies or radio.

Show me the crackpot that all the 'experts' agree is crazy or the author who is in jail for writing a book, or a comedian in jail for telling jokes, movies and books that are banned, podcasts that itunes won't list. These are the people, things that I believe contain real truth.

Unfortunately, I have also come to the conclusion that the elite aren't so wrong about the 'masses'. I do now believe that most of them actually prefer, and in fact, NEED to have masters. These masses are the ones that protect their masters. What's the solution? Who knows, Russia may be the new Amerika. At least putin kicked out most of the bolshevik oligarchs, he's taking his country back to christian values, and he's forming a non-jew banking system. Okay and this part is off-topic sort-of but some say that malyasian flight that went down, crossed flight paths with a plane that Putin was on hmmmm

Let the name calling begin lol

a reply to: wotyathink

No planes and judy wood have been debunked many times and tv fakery and the like are 'banned' from this forum because it was established as a hoax.

Like u needed ats to tell everyone that. We all knew.

a reply to: Rhiannon

The Honeypot

Why Does "Patriots Question 9/11" Feature No Planers Morgan Reynolds and David Shayler??? portland.indymedia.org... patriotsquestion911 puts people are obviously spewing disinfo with other people raising serious questions. The listed include:

Judy Wood (PHD, former Professor of mechanical engineering) "Star Wars Directed-Energy Weapons" Video by Gregg Jenkins
Morgan Reynolds (former cheif economist of the Labor Department)
David Shayler (former MI5 agent) "were missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes... Watch the footage frame by frame and you will see a cigar-shaped missile hitting the World Trade Center". www.newstatesman.com...

Because of their credentials they get a free pass to promote nonsense.

911research.wtc7.net...

a reply to: Shadow Herder

I can only speak for myself obviously lol, but in my mind the 911 attack was an open and shut case a long time ago. I haven't followed 'the truth movement' because I didn't need to. So as far as all these people a lot of you are naming, I have no idea who they are or what they espouse. I do listen to podcasts a lot from a wide variety of people, which is where I've heard Judy Wood, and her credentials mean nothing to me.

It's her questions, and some of the points she makes. I love hearing every opinion/theory/idea out there. Some I laugh at, some I get pissed about, some make me go hmmmmm and those although very interesting, do result in what's happening now. Everyone fights about the how instead of discussing the who, cuz' hey... who doesn't LOVE to solve a good mystery?

But regardless and going back to your op, how they came down? Anyone with a shred of critical thinking (imo) can see they did not come down because of planes. I'm sure all you learned folk out here know the towers were filled with asbestos and couldn't be 'brought' down in any legitimate way without great expense to Silverstein.

So hey, borrow the Northwoods plan, call all your fellow jews and tell them not to come into work that day (or they were all just sick on the best day ever to be sick ::cough cough:.
Then not only do you:
1. get rid of the asbestos problem:
2. you make billions in insurance money,
3. you destroy some rather sec nasty investigations
4. you make extra money in the stock market on united and ?
5. you have a reason to attack arabs with the american people urging you on to KILL THE ARAB
6. you get to set up a bunch of new government bureauocracies (ugh I can never spell that word) with your friends making millions
7. you keep the americans in a state of fear fighting a concept
8. cull the herd by allowing strong males to inhale all that asbestos (you evil m'fkrs! grrrrr get so pissed about that one) ... and to add insult to injury REFUSE to pay for their medical treatment
9. yearly injections of fear porn to remind the world that ALL ARABS are EVIL and need to be eradicated (hmmm who benefits from that? certainly not the Arabs, (well except for the so-called arabs the saudi's who are also a western power that's been infiltrated for all intents and purposes)
10. get to put your buddy pedophiles in charge of mandatory groping at airports, and charge the tax-payers even for that
11. give your buddy gov't contracts to put radiation machines in all airports
.... win win win win win win win win, win, win, win and I could go on and on with all the benefits and cold hard cash the so called elites made from this one evil act.

So now what? like I said, I firmly believe the masses REFUSE to believe it, and those christian zionists are the worst IN MY OPINION, well a close 2nd anyway.

a reply to: wotyathink

whew... lol already have my remark waiting for those that will invariable try to shut me up by calling me .... OMG ... names, sticks n stones ;P So thank you! I'm pretty new to this forum, and I do love 'Stars' (someday I might figure out what it means at this site), but I do like beer even better.... Cheers and I'd pour you a shot of Jager, but I don't see an icon for that :'(

Now I'm off to enjoy this non sub-zero day! Peace

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
a reply to: wotyathink

No planes and judy wood have been debunked many times and tv fakery and the like are 'banned' from this forum because it was established as a hoax.

Ah c'mon you only started talking planes for smoke screen purposes. Won't help you, sry.

Another campaign with a similar effect is being carried out by those who state that [all?] the videos of the aerial WTC collisions are fake. Loud cries of pervasive "video fakery" not only divert skepticism away from the governmedia's claims, but also discourage honest 911 truth seekers from pointing out video evidence which calls into question the official version of events. If questioned, the "video fakery" folks are likely to say that the unexplained flash seen immediately prior to any other hint of damage is "just a flash", as if it is undeserving of any attention or even comment, so it does not matter that neither the government nor the media has ever addressed the strange-looking imagery in the only publicly-seen video of the 1st WTC aerial impact.

In effect, they've explained away (or just plain discarded) the unexplained, on behalf of the same govern media they're supposedly opposing. Further, they can not explain how they've been able to discern, with certainty, a fake video of a real airplane from a real video of a fake one. But that doesn't seem to matter to such people, which is fully consistent with the aims of gatekeepers, who seek to keep viable possibilities from ever coming into our heads while at the same time filling our heads with alternatives. And dismissing the WTC video evidence as "fake" is another way of saying, "Nothing real to see here, Citizen. Move along.", which also just happens to coincide with the goals of those who seek to help keep the full truths of 9/11 hidden from the public.

911u.org...

Judy wood. Not a real truther and truthers dont agree with her at all.

originally posted by: Rhiannon
a reply to: Shadow Herder


1. get rid of the asbestos problem:
2. you make billions in insurance money,
3. you destroy some rather sec nasty investigations
4. you make extra money in the stock market on united and ?
5. you have a reason to attack arabs with the american people urging you on to KILL THE ARAB
6. you get to set up a bunch of new government bureauocracies (ugh I can never spell that word) with your friends making millions
7. you keep the americans in a state of fear fighting a concept
8. cull the herd by allowing strong males to inhale all that asbestos (you evil m'fkrs! grrrrr get so pissed about that one) ... and to add insult to injury REFUSE to pay for their medical treatment
9. yearly injections of fear porn to remind the world that ALL ARABS are EVIL and need to be eradicated (hmmm who benefits from that? certainly not the Arabs, (well except for the so-called arabs the saudi's who are also a western power that's been infiltrated for all intents and purposes)
10. get to put your buddy pedophiles in charge of mandatory groping at airports, and charge the tax-payers even for that
11. give your buddy gov't contracts to put radiation machines in all airports
.... win win win win win win win win, win, win, win and I could go on and on with all the benefits and cold hard cash the so called elites made from this one evil act.

And with the misinformation you base your beliefs on, I can see why you made this post.

The asbestos...there was a plan in place to abate it. Not a reason to knock down buildings

Make billions?....the insurance payout, was not going to cover the expenses of rebuilding.

Destroy some nasty SEC investigations? No, not really. Hampered a couple but the ENRON boys still went to jail

Extra money in the stock market? No one executed their options so, did not collect the money.

Reason to attack the Arabs? This is such a stunning fail in both history and geography .....

Set up government bureaucracies...yeah, that one I can't argue.

State of fear? Again, you haven't been paying attention to history.




Oh, then, there is the idiotic statement that the "Jews called in sick". First read the list of victims, plenty of Jewish names among the victims. Second, do some research, the whole "4,000 Jews did not show up for work" came from a statement by the Israeli government that there were 4,000 families that had not heard from their loved ones who lived in the New York/Washington area...NOT that worked at the WTC or Pentagon.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder
Judy wood. Not a real truther and truthers dont agree with her at all.

Since when became disagreements amongst people an argument in itself. And what are these empty arguments saying about you and your "case"?
Heck I'm not even defending J.Wood. Nor discrediting any other camps. In fact I hate politics all together
What is it that scares you buddy..

originally posted by: wotyathink

The thermite/explosives theory depends on the sudden release of an unfathomable amount of energy. The central core has to be taken out in a split second, many times!, from the top of the tower and all the way down to ground level. Can we imagine the immense heat and blast that would have to be involved?

We know the central core was taken out all the way down to ground level, because we can see the north tower ground level facade, amazingly enough, appear above that what we initially imagined to be a tremendous pile of 100+ progressive all-mighty pancakes:

Well for now lets add this drawing of the central core and note that the stairwells were located inside of the central core itself.

Please let me know, anyone, if there's anything you don't follow or disagree with so far.

Then no one has difficulties so far I guess.

Here's the headache for both the official conspiracy theory and at least one of the controlled demolition alternatives...

Keep the dimensions of the central core in mind + imagine what would be needed to blow it up.
14 people, most of them firemen, survived a big bang beyond comprehension and they don't even heard it. And still, all around them the central core simply is gone:



Richard Gage does not explain this. I myself can not explain it within the thermite/explosives parameters..
Any suggestions And1? Anyone?

Full documentary seen through official story glasses.

originally posted by: jaffo

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596

originally posted by: Rhiannon
a reply to: Shadow Herder

act.

My friend, this entire thread is nothing but a troll. OP has wavered every which way in his supposed ideas doing whatever he needs to do to keep the thread alive. It's a troll post designed to cause people grief. Which is of course sad and pathetic. And of course unworthy of enabling...

ThIs threads creation was to draw out the very peddlers and supporters of the disinfo, lets call the group, SPACETRUTHRERS"

originally posted by: wotyathink

originally posted by: wotyathink


Richard Gage does not explain this. I myself can not explain it within the thermite/explosives parameters..
Any suggestions And1? Anyone?

Full documentary seen through official story glasses.

I Don't see how this on topic why derail again?.

originally posted by: Shadow Herder

I Don't see how this on topic why derail again?

We are figuring out what some of your accusations in OP are based upon. That should be on-topic.

a reply to: cardinalfan0596 I could go through point by point to your 'idiotic' response but that would get boring fast as it's obvious we will never see eye to eye and, I for one, am fine with agreeing to disagree.