ISIS and you

From my point of view:

I think Jesus is a very good teacher on spirituality and knew more than he taught since the people around him was not ready for higher level teaching. I think people cannot follow both Jesus and Paul, since from my point of view they are not teaching the same thing and that there are contradictions. So from my point of view many Christians should be called followers of Paulism and Pseudo Paulism. Some Muslim have said that the Christians faith is corrupted and yes I do agree and can see it and from my point of view.

About Islam. I think Islam need to be reformed from my point of view and Muhammad teachings must be seen as only a step of the way to gods truth. Create a new version of Muhammad to live up to, that is better and less corrupt than the "historical Muhammad", since I am sorry the "historical Muhammad" do not measure up spiritually, to Rumi/Jesus/Nanak and Buddha, however much some Muslims are trying to whitewash the "historical Muhammad". As long as people idolize the "historical Muhammad" we will have people that use the "historical Muhammad" as a way to excuse their insane behavior, like ISIS (Wahabbi Sunni fundamentalist) and Shia equivalent.

Make the Quran really say below. Because this is a spiritually beautiful verse that is beyond duality (Muslim/Christian/Jew/Atheist/Hindu/Taoist/Buddhist/Sikh).


Namaste (I bow to the divine in you)

a reply to: undo

The dollar has been volatile for more than 50 years.

And what's wrong with Marxism per se? Did I miss that injunction in the Bible?

The early Christian communities were quite "communist" to the extent that they held property together, provided for each other as needed, etc.

I think your real information sources (*cough* Fox News, Beck, et. al.*cough*) are starting to show ...

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: undo

The dollar has been volatile for more than 50 years.

And what's wrong with Marxism per se? Did I miss that injunction in the Bible?

The early Christian communities were quite "communist" to the extent that they held property together, provided for each other as needed, etc.

I think your real information sources (*cough* Fox News, Beck, et. al.*cough*) are starting to show ...

Communist is a bad name, after the power pyramid state capitalistic systems in Soviet and China are called "communist". The day I see a country that is 100% for the people, by the people without a power pyramid controlled by parasitic politicians that greedily take the place of the 0.0001% robber barons is the day I believe a true "communist" country have existed on earth. You can have a society where all have equal rights, and not allow people (the wolves in sheep skin) to create power pyramids to control and enslave the will of other people thru deception, that at the same time allow spiritual growth of the people.

I do agree that you cannot follow Jesus teachings and love Mammon and be greedy wanting more for yourself than others for nothing.

But then in the end the power pyramid only become a curse on those souls who uses it. Trickle up power and resources, trickle up karma. One life on top, a 1000 lives to restore the balance of what that soul have done to the other souls. Spiritually foolish and unwise.

a reply to: Gryphon66

marxism only works by creating a class struggle that is oftentimes, completely manufactured, then all the wealth or what little wealth they had, is stolen and given to the state to redistribute. but it misuses it by using it to dominate yet more cultures, like an out of control parasite. and at the top of that food chain, are just a handful of very rich people. pretty much what we have going on today. for example, in soviet russia they starved the ukrainians to death, stole their farms, grew food for the state and sold it to the west for money. then used that money to line their own pockets and advance their 5 year plans. same guys who orchestrated that, are in control of the usa.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Gryphon66

marxism only works by creating a class struggle that is oftentimes, completely manufactured, then all the wealth or what little wealth they had, is stolen and given to the state to redistribute. but it misuses it by using it to dominate yet more cultures, like an out of control parasite. and at the top of that food chain, are just a handful of very rich people. pretty much what we have going on today. for example, in soviet russia they starved the ukrainians to death, stole their farms, grew food for the state and sold it to the west for money. then used that money to line their own pockets and advance their 5 year plans. same guys who orchestrated that, are in control of the usa.

Yes they put up the power pyramid again and used it to flow resources and power upwards instead of giving up power to the people that they are supposed to do and the people where too "weak/apathetic and uniformed" to demand that the pyramid be dismantled for an equal for the people by the people.

The power pyramid cannot exists, if it is a equal system of governance where it is we the people with equal power, controlling the governance on local level allowing for differences between regions.

a reply to: LittleByLittle

pretty much every financial analyst admits these days that marxism doesn't work without capitalism propping it up. and that was the big secret - capitalists controlled it at the top. they just didn't want any competition, so only they were allowed to be capitalists, and just like with the usa, the people had to pay with their labor or their lives, to bail out the system when it either screwed up or wanted even more control. in the case of the usa, we bailed them out so they would be the last guys standing when the dust cleared. all the other competitors were destroyed, including just regular moms and dads and grandmas and grandpas, who lost their life savings. in one case, a bank folded and an elderly man who had his money there, lost over a million dollars he had accumulated over the course of his life. poof gone.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: LittleByLittle

pretty much every financial analyst admits these days that marxism doesn't work without capitalism propping it up. and that was the big secret - capitalists controlled it at the top. that just didn't want any competition, so only they were allowed to be capitalists, and just like with the usa, the people had to pay with their labor or their lives, to bail out the system when it either screwed up or wanted even more control. in the case of the usa, we bailed them out so they would be the last guys standing when the dust cleared. all the other competitors were destroyed, including just regular moms and dads and grandmas and grandpas, who lost their life savings. in one case, a bank folded and an elderly man who had his money there, lost over a million dollars he had accumulated over the course of his life. poof gone.

if everyone is forced onto the welfare system, thats exactly what we will have. marxism with a crown of capitalists. and they will distract us with the war on terrorism, spending money on the war and allocating it to domestic surveillance.

how is that for a theory.

a reply to: TzarChasm

depressing.

a reply to: undo

Have you read Das Kapital? or The Communist Manifesto or ? Anything written by Engels, Lenin, Trotsky or even Mao?

No? Then you're repeating the one-sided dreck you've heard from Beck.

Or some such.

But, back to the real question, rather than your personal commentary on what you think Marxism is:

Is there some directive of Jesus (or even Paul) that I missed? You submitted an imaginary scenario against Marxism that would have Christians "resisting" it to the end.

Why is Marxism incompatible with Christianity, again?

a reply to: Gryphon66

1. because it steals the labor of others and gives it to whoever they want (typically their best buddies ) or uses it to dominate other countries, like a virus

2. the little it saves to redistribute to the people is not enough to provide quality of life and the lack of funds is then blamed on whoever they want exterminated. in the case of south africa, it's being used as a machinery for genocide. in the usa, it's being used to foment racial tension

3. it relies on making people murderously jealous and often hopelessly racist

4. it requires the murder of anyone who is either highly educated or highly skilled (this is the final stages, once it's in complete control)

here's a fellow who studied the capitalist connection. not a fox news guy

let me put it this way: we pay out enough in taxes to have streets paved in gold with every minority living in the lap of luxury but then they couldn't be counted on to implement the class struggle. so the gov wastes huge amounts of it in their efforts to dominate the world in the name of democracy (thinly veiled marxism), whilst simultaneously blaming people who make barely enough to pay their bills. it's a war on the poor or nearly poor.

a reply to: undo

So, you also disagree with companies like McDonalds and Walmart so seriously underpaying their workers to the extent that these folks have to be on Federal and State subsidies to cover basic needs like food, shelter and medical care?

Are these companies also "stealing"?

Okay, advanced concept coming up. You claim that "it" (Marxism) steals the labor of others. How does Marxism do that, exactly? Can you point to an actual reference to a historical example?

You're talking politics. I'm asking you about any Biblical basis for your statement that Christians would fight Marxism.

You do realize, don't you, that no political system (Russian, Chinese, North Korean, etc.) has ever actually put Marx's actual ideas fully into practice, right?

Why would the man who said "Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back" (Luke 6:30) have a problem with the guy who said "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."(Marx, Critique of the Gotha Program)?

originally posted by: undo
let me put it this way: we pay out enough in taxes to have streets paved in gold with every minority living in the lap of luxury but then they couldn't be counted on to implement the class struggle.

How very, very Christian an ideal!

So, none of that feeding the hungry, helping the poor thing, huh?

What do you make of: "Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’" (Matthew 25:37-40)

Jesus seems to think it's good to help people ... or do I have that out of context as well?

a reply to: Gryphon66

historical example: the ukrainian farmers.

biblical explanation: humans don't appear to be able to correctly implement communism.

a reply to: Gryphon66

it would be the ultimate feeding of the poor. in fact, there would be no poor. but the gov wastes our taxes on world domination

a reply to: Gryphon66

So, you also disagree with companies like McDonalds and Walmart so seriously underpaying their workers to the extent that these folks have to be on Federal and State subsidies to cover basic needs like food, shelter and medical care?

Are these companies also "stealing"?

It's called the Marxist/Corporatist Agenda.

a reply to: undo

historical example: That's not Marxism, that's Stalinism. Stalinism
Stalinism was immediately repudiated by the USSR after Stalin's death.

biblical explanation: So, the Bible forbids that humans try to make the world a better place? Or conversely, the Bible discourages humans from trying things that are hard or difficult?

a reply to: undo

Nope, I have not seen those vids yet.

Though I know Stalin was no Saint..

And, not wanting to dive into it..

I will just say I don't think Hitler and Germany getting the bulk of negative attention during WW2 was an accident. Not that they didn't have the negative attention coming.. but yeah. Touchy subject I'm hinting at so I will leave it at that.

Btw I believe Hitler was a devout Catholic who believed he was doing God's work. I'm not sure about that, but I've heard evidence of that can be found in Mein Kampf.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Gryphon66

it would be the ultimate feeding of the poor. in fact, there would be no poor. but the gov wastes our taxes on world domination

But wait, weren't you blaming the minorities just a minute ago?

Isn't one of the standard complaints that social programs (like Food Stamps, Section 8, Welfare) et. al. are what is "stealing" from them to give to minorities? Thus supposedly pointing to "socialism" in the US (which is not communism, just for reference).

Aren't you in favor of a strong national Defense program? Aren't you in favor of the US expressing American Exceptionalism across the globe?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: undo

historical example: That's not Marxism, that's Stalinism. Stalinism
Stalinism was immediately repudiated by the USSR after Stalin's death.

biblical explanation: So, the Bible forbids that humans try to make the world a better place? Or conversely, the Bible discourages humans from trying things that are hard or difficult?

of course it doesn't forbid it, rather it outlines how we should treat each other and that part is not isolated to only the poor - it applies to everyone. in fact, the higher ups are held to an even stricter set of rules (to whom much is given, much is expected), which they never seem to follow but require it from everyone else. i do believe jesus flipped his lid about that one.

here's a perfect example