School discriminates against poor trans-species kid

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

He is getting fair treatment. Any kid who insists on breaking the dress code of the school is appropriately dealt with

But the dress code allows headgear in other cases.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I skipped the middle of the video and caught the end where she puts up a very weak fight against the kid. It's possible she agrees with what he's doing, but she didn't openly admit to that.

originally posted by: SkippyBalls
But the dress code allows headgear in other cases.

For religious freedom. Being a penguin is not a religion. The kid should have thought out his scheme a little better. As intelligent as he seems to be, I would have thought he would have done a better job.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

If this kid can prove that he's been identifying as a penguin since he was 3-4 years old

All he has to do to "prove" it is just say "I've been identifying as a penguin ever since I was a kid" and his argument is as valid as a tranny who says "I've been identifying as a woman ever since I was a kid"

originally posted by: rokkuman
All he has to do to "prove" it is just say "I've been identifying as a penguin ever since I was a kid" and his argument is as valid as a man who says "I've been identifying as a woman ever since I was a kid"

You clearly don't know what you're talking about and I'm not going to be the one to educate you. Good luck.

a reply to: rokkuman

Hardly.

Living as a penguin WILL have severe health consequences for him, stunted growth from eating the diet meant for a lifeform approximately one tenth his body weight, exposure to extremes of cold, risk of pneumonia, risk of other upper respiratory complications arising from that exposure as well, not to mention arthritis, frostbite, being blinded by sun glare from the snow, and so on.

If he continues to devolve into a penguin, he will come a cropper later on.

The same thing cannot be said for the other demographics you mentioned. Furthermore, LGBT persons have existed in history from the time of Ancient Greek and Roman civilisations, and probably well before. It has only been the development of the Roman Catholic Church and other religious organsiations over the period between then and now, which have caused LGBT persons to come under such ridiculous discrimination as you mention.

Similarly, no one gave a crap about race, until the slave trade started, at which point various propaganda campaigns began, with the intention of making it seem as if persons of colour were somehow less human than the rest of us. However, persons who believe that they are animals, and live as animals, are a danger to themselves, and sometimes others as well, and ought to be treated with concern, care, and psychiatric assistance.

a reply to: rokkuman

But women who identify as men DO live like men, as much as society will allow them to. They take testosterone in order to increase muscle mass and grow facial hair. They will even have surgery to add a "penis" to their body. They talk like men, sit like men, walk like men, etc. They aren't interested in being women, they don't act like women in any way. If he really identifies as a penguin then he should only eat krill, live out in the wild, not communicate in a human language or live in a house or eat food that humans eat. If he was really a penguin, he wouldn't be interested in going to school or getting a degree.

He's a poser, which is why I would have taken charge of him.

originally posted by: rokkuman
a reply to: Pinke

Neither were things like gay marriage many decades ago. Society has progressed since then, right?

Discriminating against blacks and gays also wasn't "breaking the law" many decades ago. Society has progressed since then, right?

My point wasn't the law = what is right. My point is that homosexuality has some basis in reality and scientific observed fact. Was also highlighting things that the child stated in the video that were flatly wrong. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

The same could be said regarding turbans and beards, black hats and beards, red dots on the head etc.

I'm an Atheist, but I'm not going to compare someone trolling in a penguin suit to someone with sincerely held religious beliefs even if in my mind they're both wrong. If your country allows people to immigrate and their beliefs fall within an acceptable framework and spectrum of that country then its reasonable for the people immigrating to expect to maintain those beliefs in their new home.

If you don't want Sikhs or Hindus in your country it's more of an immigration issue.

A person could say he is a "woman" in a mans body and the only evidence he has for it is his own words. Yet society treats him with "equality".
So why "discriminate" against a "penguin" in a human body.

In my country this requires psychiatrists and hormone specialists to investigate and then an official altering of the patients birth certificate after at least 12 - 24 months of continuous contact with specialists with the appropriate hormone therapy.

Evidence can be varied from direct physical evidence in the case of intersexed conditions to research that coincides with the vast amount of scientific study and literature on trans patients. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest most people that have this opinion haven't read any of the for or against literature.

There is actually arguments against transition therapy that are part of scientific discourse. The idea that some person can just say they are whatever they want isn't one of them (in most cases, some journals have agendas on both sides.) Malingering is far easier with conditions like PTSD and schizophrenia, but no one gets so worked up about that.

Just kidding. My point is that the kid's argument is technically valid in light of liberal laws that grants "equal" status to everybody with a silly whim.

Except it isn't.

Has there ever been a case of a person being born biologically half penguin? And I don't mean common elements of DNA, I mean having penguin parts and structure. The answer is a flat no. There are cases of people being born with characteristics that don't match their gender and being mislabelled at birth. That's why there is a vast amount of research on working out how gender works, and there is no research on cross human-penguin hybrids.

There might be some vague point about religious people being able to wear hats, but if we're going to discuss it we really need to separate religious claims from other claims. They don't have the same properties.

If you want a reading list of journals and books I can provide them with arguments on both sides. /Shrug

originally posted by: hillbilly4rent
I can sympathize with the guy, I am trans species as well.

I have a really hairy back and large hairy feet (17) in the summer I sweat a lot. My fiancee complains that I smell and calls me a skunk ape. It hurts my feelers, why she used such a derogatory and hurtful word is beyond me. I feels she has a underlying hate for my kind. Its hurtful she feels this way my kind has done nothing to her or her kind. We live in peace with nature and avoid others. I don't know what to do, she tells me I should change and shave my back, chest and feet, but it I do I will loose who I am and everything my kind stand for. I'm lost and have no where to turn none of my kind dwell close to me and few and far between. My mom told me never to marrie a troll that owns her own bridge.

Thanks
Lost love Sasquatch.

I appreciated your dilemma, You are not alone! Although as a yankee skunkape I am unaware of the difficulties of my southern counterparts. My troll appreciates the 'insulation' as it sends me in the wilderness often.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Living as a penguin WILL have severe health consequences for him, stunted growth from eating the diet meant for a lifeform approximately one tenth his body weight, exposure to extremes of cold, risk of pneumonia, risk of other upper respiratory complications arising from that exposure as well, not to mention arthritis, frostbite, being blinded by sun glare from the snow, and so on.

Who says penguins only live in cold places?
Did you know there are penguins in tropical climates? Tropical climate suitable for humans, penguins and penguins inside humans.

However, persons who believe that they are animals, and live as animals, are a danger to themselves, and sometimes others as well, and ought to be treated with concern, care, and psychiatric assistance.

what about men who believe they are women? and vice-versa? Should they be be treated with concern, care, and psychiatric assistance?

I bet that was considered a mental illness many decades ago.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

For religious freedom. Being a penguin is not a religion.

This is a point of debate. They are both beliefs. The kid refers to Equal Opportunity Laws. They don't have anything to do with religion in particular.

Equal opportunity is a stipulation that all people should be treated similarly, unhampered by artificial barriers or prejudices or preferences, except when particular distinctions can be explicitly justified.[

This kid is told to remove his headgear based on preferences and artificial barriers. I don't really see how a distinction can be explicitly justifiied.

How many people of a certain belief does it take for their belief to be recognised as religion? Why is believing in a fantasy accepted, when it comes to Islam for instance, with all the priviliges that come with it like being allowed to wear a headscarf, but is not accepted when the fantasy is being a penguin?

If muslims are allowed to wear headgear, based on their beliefs, then this kid should be allowed to wear his penguin headgear based on his belief of being a penguin, accoding to Equal Opportunity laws.

You can say he is not a penguin, but I can say prove that there is a god and that these religions are more than just fantasies.

If one fantasy gets special treatment then so should the other.

a reply to: TrueBrit

However, persons who believe that they are animals, and live as animals, are a danger to themselves, and sometimes others as well, and ought to be treated with concern, care, and psychiatric assistance.

What about religious people? They can be very dangerous too.

a reply to: rokkuman

What in the heck is a " trans-species kid"?, you are either Born human or none Human is call DNA, giving new created genders base on "species association" is an oxymoron.

a reply to: rokkuman

Kid doesn't have a point. Equality in identity means you can't be denied something that others you identify with get to experience. Since nobody is allowed to wear penguin suits (including penguins), he is not being discriminated against.

Of course you would have to find a therapist willing to diagnose him with a species dysphoria condition, anyway.

a reply to: Cuervo

Since nobody is allowed to wear penguin suits (including penguins), he is not being discriminated against.

He wasn't allowed to wear the headgear. Muslims are allowed to wear headgear in school. If they can but he can't he is being discriminated against.

originally posted by: butcherguy
This crap has to be nipped in the bud.
Wait, it is too late for that.
So many people have to be treated 'special' already that we have brewed a pot where this kind of crap makes the news.

WE ARE LOST.

ETA: I just looked.... I have given the first star and flag.

That is sad.
This is an important story.
It shows what is so WRONG with the culture today.... victimhood.

I agree this is ridiculous. However I don't think it is victim hood that makes us lost . It is intolerance.

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: rokkuman


Of course you would have to find a therapist willing to diagnose him with a species dysphoria condition, anyway.

I am sure that if enough "kids" keep coming out with "trans-species kid" Syndrome big pharm will make sure they can cash out on the "dysfunction" and a pill will be available in no time, I think that your term of species dysphoria condition" will be the right terminology to tag to the treatment.

edit on 29-1-2015 by marg6043 because: (no reason given)

Never lose your inner dinosaur. . . er, um. . . penguin.

originally posted by: rokkuman
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

If this kid can prove that he's been identifying as a penguin since he was 3-4 years old

All he has to do to "prove" it is just say "I've been identifying as a penguin ever since I was a kid" and his argument is as valid as a tranny who says "I've been identifying as a woman ever since I was a kid"

No. Your ignorance in gender psychology doesn't excuse you from making dismissive remarks about a very real condition.

You may think it's cute to make glib remarks but it doesn't make you correct. There is no comparison. Will this kid kill himself if he can't eat fish in the arctic? Nope.