Why is Charlie Hebdo OK, but not Dieudonné ?

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
You can walk into any Muslim enclave in Europe and expect increased potential for trouble, you can watch them repeatedly attack authorities trespassing on "their turf" and generally acting like they're a country within a country flamboyantly flouting the laws.

Same with those pesky Blacks, eh? This has nothing to do with disenfranchised youth and poverty, and everything to do with race, religion and ethnicity.
Sure. Why not.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
you can't hardly spend an hour watching french TV without having to deal with some whinning propaganda about the holocaust.
While Dieudonné can't even have his youtube channel anymore ...

The Jews should not complain about being targeted physically if they happen through propaganda to anihilate every form of constructive criticism.

Okay, you've really lost me here and while I was willing to see your side of it (in context to the social situation and politics of France) you seem to be crossing over a line of genuine antisemitism.

I have yet to see any "propaganda" about the holocaust.
It did happen, it was massively documented, it was intensely studied. If someone can show me any of what they deem to be "propaganda" about a factually historical slaughtering of millions of people, then maybe I will have a clearer view. Until that evidence is shown, combining the words "propaganda" with the holocaust is ALWAYS going to make sensible people extremely uncomfortable.

Telling the truth is not propaganda.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Or culture. You had to go there though? Bravo. Ingenious. Culture, religion, ethnicity or race. Either way it doesn't matter, what matters is actual behaviour and the collective effects of such behaviours; Muslims are not model immigrants. If it really was about white superiority so called racists wouldn't praise and commend other immigrant minorities, this demolishes your whole argument. This is about European sovereignty, this is about the preservation of our cultures and our way of life, these Muslims would jump at the first chance to secede if they could, in fact they seem to be laying the groundwork, all they need is more influence and current demographic trends assures this. They're not an asset to our societies, they're a drain.

And they're not disenfranchised either, they're the opposite, a lot of them are welfare tourists and the state is bending itself backwards catering to them. They're given houses and all kinds of hand outs, they are given so much opportunity compared to American inner city blacks, it's not a valid comparison. They're not persecuted, they're coddled and entitled, they're actually privileged in many ways, well, at least in Sweden.

a reply to: TheLaughingGod
Not that long ago, the same was said on this side of the pond about Italians, Chinese, Irish, Jews...you get the picture. Sorry, to burst your bubble, but you're just expressing racist, xenophobic apologia.

Even worse? Study your genetics...the future is Brown, my friend.

a reply to: Rocker2013

As I said earlier - to CharlieSpeirs - the respect of dead people implies IMO to leave them in their grave and not use them as propaganda tool for the promotion of an ideology - zionism - that is pretty much the same as the one that caused their fate : ethnical proselytism.
Because, don't be lured, in the french context, this is the only point that need to be enforced : poor Jews.
At that scale, it's not a question of memory, respect, or historical reminder anymore.

Why Netanyahu's Use of the Holocaust Is a Vile Form of Propaganda

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Yeah, in a culture that is a melting pot, keep your great experiment for yourselves (North)Americans. I don't live in a melting pot and this social engineering attempt at a melting pot over here is not working. We don't need it, neither do the majority of us want to be diluted into some vague gooback culture, we've got enough cultural imperialism coming from the New World as it is, Seinfeld is good though, I'll give you that. Just another dose of cognitive dissonance from the cultural Marxist left, cultural diversity is sacred, unique and valued, until it comes to Western white civilisation, then it's all about Borg-like dissolution, assimilation and integration of cultural and racial groups. We shall all be the same, the social justice warrior ideological intelligentsia have spoken; do not try to resist, resistance is futile. If you guys were a bunch of robots(and the comparison is tempting) I'd be wondering why your brains haven't exploded yet.

It's almost a shame that cognitive dissonance isn't cancerous, then maybe people could decide their futures for themselves instead of being forcefully pushed into grand social engineering projects at the whim of self-righteous closet totalitarians that always knows what's best for the rest of us. Well, the results really are in, European MENA immigration is a failure by almost all measures.

I bet your cute little self would love to preserve the indigenous peoples of South American rain forests though, can't impose on that culture though, it's "indigenous", sacred and all lovey-dovey. Oh, and FREE TIBET!

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Care to explain this contrast in view towards say, Pakistani Muslim immigrants and Chinese immigrants? You mean to tell me that the difference in view is just totally arbitrary and fabricated? Why do the racists around these parts never ever mention Chinese or Vietnamese people? A total mystery right?

I'll tell you why, because they're model citizens and they're assets, they don't attack the authorities and their culture is not totally discordant with the adopted culture.

a reply to: TheLaughingGod
Tart it up however you like, but racism and xenophobia are ugly attributes and quite ironically denote a society that is delusional in its notions of superiority. Kinda like National Socialism. Like I said, the future is brown, and your god is, indeed, laughing.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

So just ad hominem attacks then, is that all you've got? Three times now you've repeated the same accusation of racism without at all touching on any of my points. Are you hoping that you repeating the message will make it stick somehow? Make it true? Convince yourself? My comparisons in attitude towards different minority groups is incongruent with your assertion and shows it to be baseless conjecture. Your hypothesis is invalidated, R.I.P.

Well, laughing at you and your lack of debating skills maybe, these tired old ad hominems aren't very impressive or persuasive. I've heard them enough from the media, I never saw them cut to the heart of any of the real critical arguments though, just a lot of handwaving, ad hominems, misdirection, blame, distractions and feel good mantras.

Rainbow utopian fantasies of uh, only... brown people, make you feel all fuzzy inside? Maybe the exotic "brown people" will make you a honorary tribe member. Aahhh.. the white man's burden, helping the poor brown people that can't make it on their own without the patronage of the Western social justice hipster elite fighting the evils of the white man everywhere.

But you guys have the solution though, right?
I don't think I have to point out the hilarious irony of your "final solution"; the erasion, dissolution and assimilation of white people, and maybe all other racial categories. That's just inevitable progress. Ha, it really is too much at times, you people really crack me up.

a reply to: TheLaughingGod
What's to debate? I'd have trouble just keeping up with the straw men you toss out! I'll just fall back on the words of the Prophet..."You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"...and leave you to find that ethnically clean paradise you so long for. Happy trails, eh?

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Yes, and you don't need an argument when you've got a race card, you just need to keep overcharging it in lieu of actual arguments.

Misdirection, handwaving, failure.

I think we're about done unless you want to engage my replies with anything other than avoidance. You've got nothing.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke

There are about 60 franco-isralis deputies at the french assembly.
One of them, Meyer Habib quoted recently :


Israel is the survival certificate for the Jews ...

Zionism should not become a solution in troubled times but rather a deliberate political choice...


Source and video : Agoravox

Here is the latest - I'm a proud zionist reprensentative at the french assembly - video of Meyer Habib :

If you happen to be an american citizen, this picture transposes the same problematic to the US :

French Presidential office forces French public TV to air a movie that was awarded by french jewish league

Quelques heures avant le dîner du Crif, l'Élysée a exercé une pression sur France Télévisions afin que le groupe audiovisuel public achete et diffuse le film 24 jours d'Alexandre Arcady.

Un film "déguelasse" et "putassier" : tel fut le cinglant résumé de Mazarine Pingeot, chroniqueuse culturelle sur Paris Première, à propos du film 24 jours d'Alexandre Arcady (sorti le 30 avril 2014). Reste à espérer que la fille de François Mitterrand et tous ceux qui partagent son avis ne seront pas devant France 2, ce prochain soir où sera diffusé le film.

A few hours before the CRIF dinner, Elysee (aka french White House) put presure on France Television (public TV) so that they buy the rights and air the movie '24 days' by Alexandre Arcady.

A movie "disgusting" and "bitchy" : those were the words of Mazarine Pingeot, journalist on Paris Premiere, about the movie 24 days of Alexandre Arcady (release date 30 April 2014). Let's hope that the daughter of François Mitterand and all those who agree with her, won't be watching France 2 when they will air it.

Article in french.

Belgian students of University of Brussels belonging to BDS group (boycott Israel) demonstrated on their campus.
The jewish league UEJB responded the only they way could : look they criticize us, the poor Jews, this is antisemitism !

What an antisemitic picture !
No sorry, it comes from the facebook page of the CRIF

Manuel Valls chose the lawyer of Charlie Hebdo to attack Dieudonné

LIBERTÉ D'EXPRESSION À GÉOMÉTRIE VARIABLE ? MANUEL VALLS AVAIT CHOISI L'AVOCAT DE CHARLIE HEBDO POUR ATTAQUER DIEUDONNÉ EN JUSTICE.

«Mussolini moitié trisomique», «brêle», «petit soldat israélien veule et docile»: ces propos relatifs à Manuel Valls et formulés par Dieudonné ont valu à ce dernier une poursuite en justice par l'actuel Premier ministre. Motif de la plainte déposée en septembre 2013 : "injures". Amende requise aujourd'hui par le tribunal : 4000 euros.

Détail à souligner : avocat de Charlie Hebdo, Caroline Fourest et Beny Steinmetz (milliardaire franco-israélien et mécène de Tsahal), Richard Malka -l'homme qu'a choisi Manuel Valls pour le représenter en justice- est une figure discrète mais offensive de la mouvance islamophobe hexagonale.

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SHAPESHIFTING FREEDOM OF SPEECH ? MANUEL VALLS HAD CHOOSEN THE LAWYER OF CHARLIE HEBDO TO SUE DIEUDONNÉ IN COURT.

«Half-trisomic Mussolini», «moron», «little israeli soldier sneaky and docile»: those were the words towards Manuel Valls and quoted by Dieudonné that awarded him a trial by the curent prime minister. Problem exposed by the complainer in Septembre 2013 : "insults". Required fee today by the court : 4000 euros

Important detail : lawyer of Charlie Hebdo, Caroline Fourest and Beny Steinmetz (franco-israeli billionaire and important funder of Tsahal), Richard Malka - the man that Valls chose to represent him - is a well know - hidden but agressive - figure of the french islamophobia.

Beware dear British friends, the same problem seems to arise in the UK as well :

Senior BBC journalist Jeremy Bowen under fire for accusing Israeli PM of 'playing the Holocaust card'

BBC's Jeremy Bowen accused Israeli PM of 'playing the Holocaust card'
Middle East editor tweeted comments during PM's speech at U.S. Congress
Tweet sparked outrage, with critics calling veteran journalist a 'slime bag'
In response, he said claims he is anti-Semitic are 'untrue and offensive'


BBC journalist Jeremy Bowen has come under fire after accusing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of 'playing the Holocaust card'.
The Middle East editor posted his comments on Twitter during the politician's speech at the U.S. Congress.
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With this post, I think that all the limits are broken :

One year before the French attacks, the current prime minister of France already chose the lawyer of Charlie Hebdo to sue Dieudonné. Now we know why Charlie Hebdo is OK, but not Dieudonné ...
As a matter of conflict of interest there can hardly more obvious clues.

The first problem about this information is it's source - or - the way it is presented, an obscure facebook page.
There are some more acceptable sources but I found this one easier to translate.
But no mainstream media - in France - dares to consider these sort of information anymore.

The new line of defense of zionists in France is to claim that only tin-foil grade conspirationist sites still offer this kind of antisemitic info ...
I would be an antisemite if I pointed the finger at Jews for being Jews.
I don't make an account of what every crooky politician do just because he is crooky AND Jewish.
There are corrupted people from every origin.
I show you the links at the highest level of the French state between so called republican France and zionism.

I don't make any comments about the raw info I provide you. I let you guys make your own mind.
But I warn you, beware with the sources I use. The zionist are right - somehow - most of the site that still mention this kind of info is likely to lead towards the way of genuine conspiracy stuff.
I filtered the info. What you have in this thread is information that stands the test of accurate journalist work based on fact.

Ex : Mossad involvemnt as part of the french shootings. I don't want to drift the thread on that one as I don't subscribe to it. The sites I linked are likely to end up with such 'theories'. The problem is that because of that idiotic conclusion, they discredit the genuine info they are the last to mention.
I don't say that the Mossad is involved because the Charlie shooters dropped a getaway car in front of one their offices.
I dare to ask : Is that normal that the Mossad happens to have that much offshore locations accross Paris that terrorists may inadvertently drop their car in front of one of them ?

Don't think it's over, I made no mention about the stockholders of the Charlie Hebdo parent editing company yet ...
And stop calling Dieudonné an antisemite : he is only doing jewish stuff - stand-up performance in the middle of the theatre where he happens to be personaly the owner.

Accurate english subtitles available

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke

Where is the video of the Dieudonné show I linked gone ?

So now Dieudonné is visible - and subtitled - so that you can make your own mind but the show 'Le Mur' - 'The wall' still can't be viewed.
Worse, the court of Paris just banned his DVD from retail : article.
So if you go to France, in Pigalle - the red-light district of Paris - you will find the DVD of a Mademoiselle performing with her two Shetland ponies but nothing about a black person doing jokes on Jews... There are limits that won't be crossed.

If you planned to visit France, beware for your own personal liberties ...
Fortunately, in Belgium we happen to organize this year a special French-themed event to celebrate the bicentenial anniversery of the Battle of Waterloo.
The biggest French trashing of our recent times is something that deserved a proper live re-enactment :
Waterloo 2015