Clueless who to vote for in the the UK GE?

originally posted by: skitzspiricy
Ewok,

You do know that It's either going to be Conservatives or Labour in Power after the next election, or some whacked out coalition of Conservative plus 1 or Labour plus 1?

Whether Labour did this or Conservatives did that, it's just going to be one of those two parties pulling all the shots.

There is no other choice sadly. People can vote UKIP or Greens all they like, Conservatives or Labour will be the one with the victory.

I will hedge a bet that it will be Labour this time round. It seems to be a common pattern. One party is in power, screws everything up over a period of time, people then vote for the opposition when they have had enough. Rinse, Cycle, Repeat.

I guess the thing people need to work out is which are the lesser of two evils when it comes down to their own personal core principles on what they feel needs to change this time round.

Im not some dumbAmerican. I wont be shoe horned into one party or the other.

We are the UK not the USA we should be better than that.

I refuse to vote for the big two purely on principle now.

a reply to: crazyewok

I'm not telling you that you should. I'm just making you understand that no matter who you vote for the big two will always win.

I added this edit for clairity to the previous post, likely when you were replying to it:

My principles lay between Labour and the Greens. I will vote Greens but Labour is the likely candidate to win. Should i vote Labour? I don't want to really, but it's likely we'll have to put up with them for the next 5 years.

a reply to: skitzspiricy

Even if voting for a third party bring in another coalition that to me is still something.

This conservative goverment would have been far far worse if the the Lib dems had not been around.

a reply to: crazyewok

If I vote it will probably be SNP.

They and Labour might be a fun coalition.

a reply to: midicon
I don't see a formal Labour/SNP coalition as likely. Would cost labour too much support in England and the Labour party branch office (Scotland) hate the SNP.
Probably just too much of a gap in what SNP would want and labour could offer as well.
A informal working arrangement with a Labour minority government might be possible.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Well it would be fun...I can't imagine how that would work out up here. I mentioned it as I am sure the question came up in a Salmond interview.

Labour won't fare so well here in Scotland. I think many of those that voted no in the independence referendum might now vote SNP.

To be honest I don't care so much...nothing will change.

a reply to: midicon
I am one of those who voted yes who will now vote SNP (at least in the GE) .
I think the rise of alternative parties might actually make a difference this time. We have had strong third and even forth parties before and all it has really done is,split the vote on one side.
This time the dynamic feels different. Personally I deteste UKIP but the affect they are having on the potential outcome makes it really interesting as in some seats they will bleed votes from both sides.

I dont like them but i dont hate them as much as labour and the tories and that is tne lib dems.

Few things in there favour

1) they dont bicker and mud sling as much as the big two. Quite frankly labour and tory arguing and mud slinging is pathetic. Its like 5 years olds. Those two would see the country burn if it meant getting a one up

2) lib dems have a tract record of doing what is needed to get the job done. Even though that meant working with the opposition. Thats not weakness to be but maturity.

3) they have tempered to conservatives. With the lib dems we would be a lot worse off than under a 100% tory goverment

Cons

1) they failed to deliver on promises. Granted they were in a coalition goverment. But they should not have made promises they were not in a position to kerp

2) they are agsinst a EU referendum. I find that anti democratic

3) there policys are a bit to soclist in some ways for my likeing.




At the end of the day though there are a least some pros which cant be said of the big two..

Zero worthy choice but the worst are probably Labour, UKIP, and Greens. I would prefer Conservative or a coalition to either of those and I feel I should throw in that Sturgeon should keep her hands off the NHS and English only decisions and Cameron needs to grow some and tell her that, same for immigration. He would be far more popular if he did.

The UK has no rational alternative because voters voted against the AV system. Too late now. Blue or Red. Take your pick. They both taste like ****.

Trident - at least £130 Bln over 3 years. Yeah makes great sense to continue to have 4 nuclear subs in the UK.
Scrap trident - and you could have more money into the normal armed forces, and a better NHS. It wont go, they wont scrap it they are huge US/UK defence contracts which relate to the continuing support of a useless nuclear deterrent.

UKIP - Farage is just a complete biggot - Yes immigration needs to be cut back but they are clueless on any proper policies such as social reform, the NHS and appear to be more right wing on civil freedom than the conservatives.

With Conservative, and UKIP we can say goodbye to the NHS, and any sort of freedoms.
In 5 years time just visiting websites such as this would have us classed as terrorists under their encroaching legislation.

Have you seen what those asshats are proposing to do to any sort of freedom on the internet?

That leaves - us with Lib Dems - Despite tonign down some of Camerons ridiculous proposals, they've lost all credibility.

Labour and the Green Party

Green Party is actually more popular than UKIP but come up short on generic defence, their energy proposal is sound - although investment in renewables is already closing the gap (we've had several weeks last year where power for the whole of the UK from renewables exceeded coal/nuclear).

Labour - They're actually pretty close to the conservatives on a bunch of issues, I don't see them bringing in any real change, but they are still the best bet for keeping the NHS.

I'm guessing we'll see another coalition - labour/libdem/green/ukip anyway.
The politics suck, everything's being driven from central government and all the money's being fed back into London, i don't know who I'm going to vote for.

I want someone to be able to make a difference in the area I live in, not 400 miles away

originally posted by: crazyewok
with the UK general elections coming up Im at a loss.

To me not voting achieves nothing as there will all ways be someone who does vote and that means a goverment will be elected not voting just makes you irrelevant.

But the option are so depressing....

Conservatives: Ok my local MP is ok and some of the newer generation MP are ok. But I despise the old school torys. George Osborne is the embodiment of of a pure etonite , I detest Theressa May with every atom of my body and think she is a bitter old battleaxe who likely gets off on NAZI porn, Iain drunken Smith is a class A twat and Cameron himself a spineless buffoon who who makes statements he cant back up or which are not practical and is a puppet of the super rich.

Labor: God NO! There last government nearly bankrupted us and nearly turned us into another broke EU country!
That is unforgivable on its own.

But they also gave us the Iraq war and Tony Blair the smiley faced bastard also sold our sovereignty out to the EU and US!

And now with millipede at the helm? My bathroom sponge as more leadership material than him!
No way can he stand up to the EU and US, he will be there bitch.
If a Labor goverment gets in the UK may aswell change our flag to this:

UKIP:
I was thinking of voteing for them.
Until Nigel Farrage started blaming immigrants for EVERYTHING including the traffic.

Sure unregulated immigration is a problem, but its not the ONLY problem in the UK and in fact to me is only a symptom of BIGGER problems.

UKIP seem to be only focused on immigration , immigration and immigration.

I want a goverment that acknowledges the bigger picture.

There only redeeming feature at the moment is they will tell the EU were to stick it.

Greens:
I disagree with about 99% of there manifesto.
A win for this party would mean me taking a job in Canada. I would not be able to live under there eco tyranny without cracking and going full guy forks on them.

Lib Dems:
These seem the only viable option and saying that leaves a bile in my throat.
There are sell outs and would bring the UK closer to the EU.

But they are not Labor, Greens , UKIP or Torys..........


What choices do I have

if you are a labour voter in a safe tory seat then you must ask yourself " tory or ukip". If you vote ukip tories out.
If your a tory voter in a safe labour seat ask yourself" labour or ukip"? Vote ukip and labour out. Imo ukip will win the election with a huge majority.

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I would put myself here



Sadly there is not anything there yet.

If I had the time and money I would set my own party up.

originally posted by: simplesquig


That leaves - us with Lib Dems - Despite tonign down some of Camerons ridiculous proposals, they've lost all credibility.

Yeah they made alot of promising they couldn't keep.

But they have acted as a shield for some of the torys worst ideas. A lot of crap still got through but things could be a alot lot worse.


My biggest problem with the Lib Dems is there infatuation with the EU.

It usefull for trade but not much else and oppose them wanting stronger political ties.

originally posted by: simplesquig

UKIP - Farage is just a complete biggot - they are clueless on any proper policies such as social reform, the NHS

originally posted by: simplesquig
Labour - , but they are still the best bet for keeping the NHS.

Actually I 100% disagree.

I say Labour are the worst for the NHS

Here is why:

If you what question time and what UKIP representatives say they have a valid point.
The NHS is not suitable in its current form and is not delivering the best service that it could.
And all party's need to sit down and have mature discussion on this.
3 points

1)That does not mean abloshing the NHS

2)That does not mean going to a 3rd world /American system.

3)There is more options than just the Current NHS as it stands now and a free for all useless US system.

If you look at cold hard facts the UK is number 13 in the world for healthcare. That means 12 country's are doing better than us. So lets look at them and see what they are doing right and we are doing wrong and seeif we can make some SMART reforms

And as the UKIP MEP said last night as soon as you mention this "Labour eyes swivil and start ranting about going to a American healthcare system" and refuse to have a mature discusion.

And to prove that point Diane abbot the Labor MP went into a immature incoherent rant saying the exact same thing and seemed incapable of comprehending point 3 that there is more than just American system/UK system.

The Lib dems, conservatives, UKIP and the time panelist all agreed we have three options:
1) Abolish the NHS (that does not mean going to a US system just a a different one)
2) Raise taxes, but this is not viable long term with cost of treatment raising we cant in 100 years be taking 90% in NI
3) Looking at other country s who healthcare system is doing better and seeing if we can make reforms in our NHS.



Labor seem to just want to ignore the fundamental issue and bury there heads in the sand or just throw money at the problem and hope it goes a away. Or worse make laws that restrict our freedom in the name of making us "healthier".

Fact is we are living longer and medication as it gets more and more advanced is getting more and more expensive.
We have a growing population and more people are taking out than putting in.

The NHS can not in its current form cop with the above problems.


We need to make a decision do we want a 20th century system or a 21st century health system?

I want a health system that provides THE BEST service in a affordable way available to ALL UK citizens. I dont care if that is in the NHS or some over sytem.

a reply to: crazyewok

When given blind question most people in the UK side with the Greens. I think maybe you should have a look into their policies. I do understand they are all a bunch of #holes. I have not voted in twenty years but i am now going to because we need change and its the best I can see..


happy days

purp..:-)

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: crazyewok

When given blind question most people in the UK side with the Greens. I think maybe you should have a look into their policies. I do understand they are all a bunch of #holes. I have not voted in twenty years but i am now going to because we need change and its the best I can see..


happy days

purp..:-)

No way in hell

I read there manifesto.

They would make car travel a nightmare and would screw up UK air travel.

My car is my social lifeline and I love international travel.


I oppose them on purely selfish reasons I know but I dont care.

a reply to: crazyewok


you have more in common with UKIP , small govt, economic freedom, political freedom.

Perhaps a vote for These Guys

I like their policies. nice and simple.