We really are entering a time of Climate extremes and I think it's time to face it...

Yes my belief in this is getting stronger and stronger This is not a thread with 100 links of evidence. Why?

Because I'm not going to waste my time to do all this for a bunch of trolls. I want to apologize to all the good people here at ATS but If you're into this stuff, you're probably a believer anyway and you know what Im trying to say.
I don't know how long or how many winters this will last but things are changing right now. Yeah it's Winter, it's cold I already know but open your eyes a little bit, try to learn more about it.

As far as I know, it is or it will be unusually cold in some places like in South Germany for example.

They're expecting -23 Celsuis = -9.4 Fahrenheit if I or the converter didn't do some stupid mistake. That is very, very cold!

You can read it here but it's in german : de.nachrichten.yahoo.com...

I don't live there but where I live (Somewhere in Europe) the difference between last years temperatures and the current temps appears to be big too.

I thought it's about time for a thread like this.

and please excuse my notsoperfectenglish. I always try my best to express myself!

a reply to: Eagleyedobserver

Yeah....like over the last 100,000 s of years. Nothing is any different. Its what the Earth does and always had. Its just there are more people around these days to feel the effects.

Nothing new for Mother Earth. It just keeps doing what it always has. There always was climate change, tuetonic movements, earthquake, floods, tsunamis, cyclones, hurricanes, tornados, monsoons, ice ages, heat waves, mass extinctions..you name it.

That why I have to laugh at anyone makng any big deals about these. ITS NORMAL. As humans, we can be around those for what...? Like maybe live 70-80-90 years if we are lucky?

Climate change is natural and will continue....long after we, our kids, grandkids and great grandkids and their grandkids are gone...it will still be going through changes.

In Earth time...a non-issue...unless of course we want to whine about them. "Oh, its soo COLD". "We're having a heat wave!"."That hurricane was the worst in..."

Mother Earth prevails...at it's degree of normalcy...for itself. Not us.

a reply to: Eagleyedobserver

Wanna post a link to when it is supposed to be -9.4 degrees? I'm seeing +20s and 30s.

ETA: is a future forecast for a very small area (compared to Earth) your only evidence for climate change? If so, you might wanna work on your propaganda delivery techniques.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. If it gets very cold and we all light our fires, that'll help warm things up again with all the CO2 and general heat about won't it? Oh! and never mind the AGW nifty knaves that come along now and again with their eye on your pocketbook...they have a habit of shooting themselves in the foot, eventually.

I for one are a cold arse. And living in the UK I welcome any heat that comes my way.

It is a mistake to assume that changes in local or regional climates are indicative of changes in the global climate. Changes in more localized areas are to be expected and are based upon a number of factors. However, I am not claiming that global climate change is not occurring, rather I am only claiming that one cannot claim smaller changes as evidence of this phenomenon. I am a firm believer that science does not support man-made global warming. Science has definitively proven that the global climate changes entirely, or changes in a specific hemisphere, quite regularly. For instance, the last glacial maximum was roughly 10,000 years ago, and such ice ages came and went with much regularity long before that time. If the earth truly is trending towards warmth at present then the most likely explanation is a natural climate shift.

Another mistake that people often make is to assume that a regional cooling trend translates into global warming being a myth. Common sense tells these individuals that if some places are getting colder then the earth cannot be warming, but this is simply not true. We know for a fact that the few major ice sheets are losing mass, which can only come about from warming in that region. And considering that these ice sheets exist both in the northern and southern hemispheres, this is a global phenomenon as opposed to a regional occurrence. Ice is highly reflective, due to its white color. We see colors not because an object is a specific color, but because an object reflects that color of visible light. A white surface reflects all colors, while a black surface indicates the absorption of all colors in the visible spectrum. Because of this high reflectivity, the more ice that is present, the more sunlight that is reflected. Therefore when the ice starts melting, more radiation is absorbed instead of reflected, resulting in the increase of warming. The ice sheets are quite large and therefore reflect a great deal of radiation from the sun, radiation that includes visible light. I point these things out only because I have seen multiple individuals fail to understand the phenomena of color and reflection, and how it relates to global warming, and not because it directly pertains to our conversation.

a reply to: Eagleyedobserver

So the message of the OP that I got is basically this:

"The climate is really messed up. I don't have any links or anything but it just is. I am not posting any links or any research because that would be feeding trolls. I am totally not a troll by the way. It's way colder than it was where I am and stuff, I don't have any data to post in regard to average temperatures for the area I'm in though because that's troll food. Hey did you know that it's -9.4 in some places? That's really cold. That's colder than a popsicle in the freezer cold. Really cold."

Well, there is definitely something strange going on with the weather since about 2008 or so. I have no idea what is causing it. I have seen strange variations in weather patterns since then. I've been through about four or five solar cycles.

Now, back in the early sixties there was a lot of snow here but not so much of the cold along with the snow. Now we have cold and snow. But it is not here that I see the biggest changes, it is in the other parts of the country. We are not changing here so much, not like the middle of the country going both directions. The bad weather seems to now be going into these areas. I can't complain though, it is better them than us.

So I'll just keep my theory to myself, but I will say that if my theory is right, expect more bad weather to hit these certain areas, which are not here.

a reply to: mysterioustranger

I understand and I'm aware that the Earth is going trough it's cycles.
But even some Scientist seem to be insecure about the current state of the sun which plays a big role. But it's not only the temperatures.

Then again you can't always count on "Scientists". Some of them are Following trends and spreading BS too which is sad.

But there are multiple things going on. browse the Fragile Earth section and other Forums lol, there is more than enough trouble and you know some things are connected. Lie to yourself or face it or even better learn more about it.

(Not directed at YOU personally)

For the people who are alive right now it's probably a change . Thats the point I'm trying to make. Easy!

Unusually cold temps are what they are. I'ts not hard to understand. If records are broken and it stays like that for a longer period, the 80 Year old Grandma will tell you that she never experienced anything like it.

You realize that you mentioned "Mass extinctions" lol. Thats a bit contradictory because if this was about to take place for whatever reason you'll wish that someone talks about this.

@doompornjunkie

Sure, It's from Yahoo germany. Don't know how helpful these translators are so I'm posting the original.

It says on new years eve...

Edit: To answer your other question. No it's not. I've been listening and reading trough a lot. I wouldn't start such a thread if there was barely any evidence.

So yeah, please stay fair and wait for January at least. It's just how I see it. I respect other peoples opinions as long I'm not dealing with trolls.



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a reply to: Eagleyedobserver

I think we're going to be seeing more extremes, as well.

Winter in Wisconsin is cold and snowy, period. Always has been. But last year was incredibly, extremely cold-days and days below 0 degrees farenheit. I haven't seen the high temperature for the day being below 0 degrees F since the mid-1980's. I remember it because we all went out our lunch hours to start our cars. Yet the year before, the temperature had hovered around 40 degrees (F) for most of the winter, with only a moderately cold week or so.

While I loved the heating bills that winter, I knew it was not at all normal and we paid for it during the summer with over a month of no measureable rain. Everything turned brown and died-lawns, gardens, even evergreens turned brown & died.

This year we had an unusually quiet severe weather season, an unusually cold September but again, now the temps are in the 30's to 40's for the most part and not a lot of snow. While I loved last month's heating bill.....

We'll see what happens.

a reply to: Eagleyedobserver

ATS doesn't seem to be a friendly place to talk about such things anymore. There are those that get enraged with anyone who even tries to talk about the possibilities and will immediately swamp your thread with old rhetoric. Anyway, I get what your saying and I am sure you know that one localized event doesn't affect the whole in any meaningful way but when we see many such events the model for normal changes and shows a trend.

Some have postulated the tipping point has already been reached and with the reports of increasing methane thaws I am inclined to believe it. The question IMO is no longer how do we stop or slow it but how do we prepare for what is to come.

a reply to: smurfy

I totally respect how you see this but I'm honestly always surprised by replies like this. It's like some people are just ignoring the problems that can be caused by cold weather.

Just think about delayed transports.Public transport, Supplies whatever.

Chaos on the Highway, canceled flights, possible problems with the electricity the list goes on and on. It's a reality.

We simply do not have the Technology to keep Streets and highways warm.

a reply to: mysterioustranger

What you say is true but what mother nature is not used to is man and what we do these days.
We are not that far separated from the industrial revolution.
So yes mother nature changes and has cycles but how does that negate the idea that man could be causing damage and messing with those cycles?

originally posted by: EnigmaAgent
I for one are a cold arse. And living in the UK I welcome any heat that comes my way.

By the looks of ya, heat ain't gonna do you any good. You should move down to Kent, luvvly long summers there, but the winters can be pretty cold, but for mostly a short time. I am making a point though, that's just one example of extremes of weather, yet Kent thrives and has done for a long time. I like Jiggy's take on it, use less superlatives like extreme weather as if it all applies across the board when it mostly doesn't. Kent is just one example.

We really are entering a time of Climate extremes and I think it's time to face it...

You are welcome to 'face' or believe in whatever you want and I respect that as your right. Now sir, would you kindly give me the same respect to disagree with your OP.

Kinds Regards.

First,
Just do a tiny bit of research, like reading the IPCC report.
Yes, I'd expect you to refute the science but how about you support your erroneous claims with some facts.
I'll be waiting a long time.
You must work for Shell or similar.
Come back with some supporting evidence.

a reply to: mysterioustranger

a reply to: Metallicus

Why not? I'm not God The Almighty.

Disagreeing with my OP doesn't make you a hungry troll

a reply to: Sremmos80

I had physicist friend laugh at the term "climate change". Climate, by its very nature...IS change.

Youre absolutely right about man's effect. We dont negate, nor can we negate man's effect. Thats a positivepoint you make. Man absolutely does affect things. I find it humorous in the scheme of things(and this will emphasize my point)...that people build on rivers and cry when the rains flood them away. "We built our house on the banks because its SO PRETTY here!"

There are people in Louisiana that scream after hurricanes about the devastion...then rebuild on the same spot only to face it again year after year.

At what point do we all accept mother nature as making HUGE, sweeping, regular and often changes that have nothing to do with us, our industrialism, and are by our standards...are DISASTERS?

Youre correct we have an effect on these...but what can we expect out of something...that by its very nature...is to being in constant change, terra-forming and in subtle and violent upheaval?

We can do little about it...except in a small, miniscule way enviromentally...and that doesnt not change the ways, frequency, methods or intensity of Earth changes.

Its what it does naturally...and still...we whine and complain about it.

Thanks! MS

a reply to: Cheddarhead

You THINK we'll see more extremes? Of course. Its supposed to be extreme. Its how the earth does things. Its natural for it to do so.

Its how rivers are formed, and continent-shorelines sculpted...and all else that changes the weather and our enviroment.

Just because we dont like it...isnt going to change the facts that its normal. Even in...and arguably..BECAUSE of...these extremes.

originally posted by: Eagleyedobserver
a reply to: smurfy

I totally respect how you see this but I'm honestly always surprised by replies like this. It's like some people are just ignoring the problems that can be caused by cold weather.

Just think about delayed transports.Public transport, Supplies whatever.

Chaos on the Highway, canceled flights, possible problems with the electricity the list goes on and on. It's a reality.

We simply do not have the Technology to keep Streets and highways warm.

Well, my post was intentionally a little,
since I don't aspire to the gravitas of AGW..yes I know it's modified now to GW, but the message is still that humans are to blame, the IPCC says so, don't all half a dozen or so that write it up confirm that, even if all those thousands who contribute to it don't always sign up to it.

As for chaos in winter time, that's because it's the winter and happens all the time, and upgraded weather reports these days, and the weather's going to be bad..don't push your luck. When you see news reports with cars slipping and sliding all over the place, please tell me what you think? I know what I think.