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We really are entering a time of Climate extremes and I think it's time to face it...

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posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 04:48 PM
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Humans haven't been on this rock long enough to have experienced or to accurately define the true "extremes" this planet's cyclical climate is capable of.

That could change soon, so enjoy the relatively stable climate we have while it lasts.





posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 04:51 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Climate:



Climate is a measure of the average pattern of variation in temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, wind, precipitation, atmospheric particle count and other meteorological variables in a given region over long periods of time. Climate is different from weather, in that weather only describes the short-term conditions of these variables in a given region.


Weather



Weather is the state of the atmosphere, to the degree that it is hot or cold, wet or dry, calm or stormy, clear or cloudy.


Weather that happens in an area, is not indicative of it's climate.

It's possible to have a snow shower in a desert, but that doesn't change the fact that the area is still a desert.

A massive and damaging hurricane striking an area again, is not an indication of the area's climate.

Climate is the repeated pattern of the weather in that area. Not single, nor isolate incidents.

Temperatures that change and stay that way over very long periods of time, again would be indication of a climate that has changed.

A rain forest area, where rains have stopped to where the area becomes a more temperate climate, or even eventually a desert, is certainly a change in it's climate.

Are climates changing? Certainly possible as the Earth's climate always has gone through changes.

Is having very low temps or very high temps in on area a reason to scream doom?

No. It's not.

Now, if those temp changes stay and happen pretty consistent year after year, now you've got some really solid evidence. When rainfall amounts increase or decrease, and stay that way, again, you've got something to scream about.



As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

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posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 05:17 PM
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Down here in the south we are doing our best to warm things up for you!

You'er welcome.

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posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 06:20 PM
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a reply to: Eagleyedobserver

Just in my life time, I remember winters starting shorty after the Thanksgiving Holidays. We wouldn't see the green grass until around the middle of march. We would get so much snow, I remember making snow tunnels in our backyards.

The current winters pale in comparison. Most people up north, now welcome the warmer winters and less snow. I'm sure the earth is going through a change, it's hard to deny it when you've actually experience the change over the years. I worry more about the amount of rainfall rather than cold temperatures. Flooding is more destructive than cold freezing temperatures.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: Eagleyedobserver

Just in my life time, I remember winters starting shorty after the Thanksgiving Holidays. We wouldn't see the green grass until around the middle of march. We would get so much snow, I remember making snow tunnels in our backyards.

The current winters pale in comparison. Most people up north, now welcome the warmer winters and less snow. I'm sure the earth is going through a change, it's hard to deny it when you've actually experience the change over the years. I worry more about the amount of rainfall rather than cold temperatures. Flooding is more destructive than cold freezing temperatures.



Thanks for this cool little insight. I think it's always important to Note that heavy snowfall doesn't have anything to do with extremely low temperatures.

In some countries it's going to snow first. (Snowstorms have been announced too) Then the temperatures are going to drop horribly.
At least thats what is being predicted.

But yeah I'm very curious to see what happens the next days



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 07:09 PM
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originally posted by: NotMoose
Down here in the south we are doing our best to warm things up for you!

You'er welcome.


South Dakota ? Nice rides btw



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: Eagleyedobserver

No not South Dakota, I'm in Arkansas.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: Cheddarhead

Greetings to a fellow Wiscolander!

It has been a surprising couple of years!

Last years cold spell was ridiculous!

This years warm spell is ridiculous!

Weather will continue to change and we will continue to evolve with it, I do not find there to be anything worried about, I find it funny all the people discussing global warming/climate change and the accompanying doom porn always fail to mention HEMP and how it could drastically improve our relationship within the entire ecosystem of this planet!

Cheers, hopefully our winter will continue to be moderate!



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 09:52 PM
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I wish this global warming ,which is not happening would go away because it is killing the great barrier reef , which doesn't know it is not happening .



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 10:28 PM
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Face it...

...and do what, exactly? Switch light bulbs? Tax "dirty" corporations? Trade your Honda in for a Schwinn and a snazzy pair of spandex shorts? Sign a lofty-writ international treaty, perhaps.

Let's face it. All of that is bull#. We can manage the ways we produce and consume all we want and it won't solve anything. The problem is mass production and rampant consumption. Our political, economic, and overall social structures depend on perpetual growth in order to justify themselves to each other; that is, almost by definition, unsustainable, and by observation is destructive and stupid.

So all of that has to change--our political, economic, and overarching social structures. "Going green" isn't going to change anything. The entire system (our whole social paradigm) has to come down, otherwise it's just band-aids and circle jerks.

Anyway. Face it... and then what? Is my question.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 10:40 PM
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a reply to: NthOther

Well I am all for renewable energy sources because in the long run the payoff all around is greater. The initial start up is always the burdensome part. Now as I said I think it is too late to stop what is coming so the thing now is prepare for it. It is going to be the worlds greatest feat IMO if successful without destroying society as we know it. Levies will need to be built and rebuilt ports will be relocated cities dismantled and moved inland. Agriculture will have hurdles to overcome along with relocation and population relocation will be tremendous considering when you look civilization has always sprouted and grown from areas of water. It will be either man's greatest achievement or mans worst failure.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 10:46 PM
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originally posted by: Eagleyedobserver
Yes my belief in this is getting stronger and stronger This is not a thread with 100 links of evidence. Why?





Why no 100 links of evidence? Because, like you said, it's your belief. Beliefs don't need evidence.

Oh yeah.... and with the crazy climate changes going on, and the need to "face it," I'm sure posting on ATS is going to suddenly fix everything.



posted on Dec, 26 2014 @ 11:11 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi

Now as I said I think it is too late to stop what is coming so the thing now is prepare for it.

Agreed on both points, however I think our ideas of "preparation" are a little... different.


It is going to be the worlds greatest feat IMO if successful without destroying society as we know it. Levies will need to be built and rebuilt ports will be relocated cities dismantled and moved inland.

But that is exactly the problem. Our culture teaches us that nature is something we're at odds with--something that must be conquered; that we're in a struggle for survival and "out there" is the enemy.

We shouldn't be fighting nature. Don't reinforce the levy. Live in place where it isn't necessary. Roll with nature.

And don't be so apprehensive about destroying society as we know it. Have you taken a good look at it lately?



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 12:19 AM
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So who's responsible for the turbulent winds on Jupiter?

Other news, El Nino is predicted, and El Nino is n-o-r-m-a-l

www.al.com...



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 12:32 AM
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a reply to: NthOther

It is in mans nature to fight and try to overcome nature. I do get your point about destroying society but it has the potential to be so much worse with billions of people being displaced I think it would cause a complete collapse of national borders or militarization of them. If there was a complete collapse of society with the types of weapons available to mankind now a peaceful life would be a distant dream IMO.



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 12:36 AM
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Its interesting to me to consider why we observe rapid, unprecedented shifts in migratory species behaviour. For instance, during the annual Christmas bird count in my area (central Alberta), common grackle (Quiscalus quiscula) was scored.

Less significantly, so was rough legged hawk (Buteo lagopus).

About a week earlier, amazingly, eastern bluebird (Sialia sialis) was recorded.

In the throws of winter the year before last I nearly had my finger bitten off rescuing a black crowned night heron (Nycticorax nycticorax).

Somewhat along the same trend, for the last two years, white face ibis (Plegadis chihi) have been spending spring/summer in central Alberta.

Also, in about the last decade there has been the start and increasing numbers of over wintering species including ravens, crows, canada geese, some duck species and extended visits of robins.

By the way, this is the thankless little rat that sent me for stitches. Not supposed to be here in the winter my psychotic feathery friend.
Black-Crowned Night Heron


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posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 12:37 AM
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Weather data has not been collected for all that long, there is nothing that you can compare this new data against. Not to mention you are talking about local climates not global. When it comes to scientists and the behavior of the moon, sun, earth, etc. They are doing the same thing, they don't know what this planet or space was like hundreds of thousand of years ago, they can take an educated guess and call it a theory but thats about it. And maybe 1000 years in an earth cycle is like 1 hour to me and you, maybe Canada is supposed to be in the tropics and Cuba is supposed to be freezing cold. Who knows?



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 03:39 AM
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I thought I post a little update because snowfall is in full effect right now!
Interesting weather forecast too.

Temperatures will drop on a daily basis. Pretty special.

Wonder how extreme it'll get here.

The difference to last "Winter" really is day and night and people are wondering why I made this thread.


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posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 03:47 AM
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I research Paleoclimatology.

To get a true since of what is normal you have to study the past. before weather was recorded.

Most people that believe in climate change only go back 200 years.

To get the true overview you have to go back 1000 years 5000 years 10,000 years.15,000 years.

After you study the climate from 15,000 years ago to now you will find that AGW is total BS.
www.globalchange.umich.edu...
www.ldeo.columbia.edu...



posted on Dec, 27 2014 @ 05:02 AM
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a reply to: Eagleyedobserver

There have been stronger and stronger hurricanes over the past decade (which are fueled directly by higher ocean temperatures) and stronger winter storms (which are affected by change in weather patterns).


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