Obama to Announce Easing in U.S.-Cuba Relations

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Yo read the topic ?

Did or didn't the current administration decide to get in to bed with one of the world' most notorious bloody regimes ?

Yep.

Too late. They've been in bed with the Bushes from the beginning. Cuba a "bloody regime"? You have to cut back on the propaganda. Cuba is the #2 vacation spot for Canadians after the US and it's nothing like what you are being told.

a reply to: neo96

Would you prefer we double down on our embargo and send them into Russia's waiting arms? I'm sure you don't want Russian armaments on Cuban land like in the early 60's, do you?

This is a smart move. It opens the door to dealing diplomatically with Cuba, and maybe even keeping them from getting in bed with Russia again.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: neo96

Would you prefer we double down on our embargo and send them into Russia's waiting arms? I'm sure you don't want Russian armaments on Cuban land like in the early 60's, do you?

This is a smart move. It opens the door to dealing diplomatically with Cuba, and maybe even keeping them from getting in bed with Russia again.

China kills people who are negative to their regime every day. Are we stopping to do business with them? Are we doing anything to prevent this? No!

Your comparison that going after Cuba will prevent Russia to take a strategic position is just plain BS. Russia has far better strategic points to hit us - some right next to your door (Alaska).

This whole thing is another Obama-I-Know-It-Better-Than-All-Of-You-So-F**-Off thing that will cost us a lot of money and probably life's in the long run! And again, without approval of the people! Like the famous "Mission Complete".

Doing business with these regimes is just bad business!

I hope it does the people of Cuba a lot of good and I think it will.
Let's face it they need the bucks.

Look for Cuba to turn into a major civil war next.Look for false flags and everything else and look for Raul Castro to mass murder more innocent people.
There is nothing smart about playing games with communist regimes and evil dictators.

Conspiracy mind working- Maybe the US wants to start working on the Cuban relationship with the idea that things will continue to sour between the US and Russia; and the US doesn't want Russia to have a close ally right off the coast of the US. Now the US starts repairing that relationship with Cuba so Cuba has to stay neutral in any conflict between the Russia and the US??

a reply to: Jobeycool

Absolutely not! The next thing you know we'll be doing business with China and Russia... oh wait... what a tool.

The fact is the only reason this has lasted this long is because Florida is a swing state and the Cuban community in Miami is large enought to impact where Florida goes in a national election thus who wins and election. It is odd that we had a foreign policy that everybody thought was past do to change that was kept in place by a small group of people for political reasons.

Of course that group escaped Cuba when things were bad, had family killed or just missing etc. Even though things have changed in Cuba a great deal that generation will never be ok with this. Younger Cuban American generations of course feel different and see the embargo as just hurting the Cuban people.

This of course is only first step. The embargo remains in place so far. It is a good step and something that should have been done over decade ago. This is a going to be a big win for both countries.

Hey now, we've left out the most important detail of the shift - the rum.



Viva la Bacardi

i say its time it ended as as far as i knew cuba has been getting better lately(compared to the dark days mind you) and its not like they are still pointing icbms at us like the cuban missile crisis days so eh castros on his death bed lets end the embargo.

another thing other then the cigars that people may not think of in an economic sense is the classic car market could take a hit as cuba is full of classic cars in decent running shape due to the embargos effects over the 50something years they been limited to what they can buy and hey hopefully they can have some of those good doctors cuba is suposed to have give us some training in a few areas

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Couldn't it be that instead of wanting to westernize Cuba that some people in U.S. government want to make the U.S. more socialist?

You see, what most people who have responded here don't get is that it will be extremely difficult for Cuba to become westernized because it is a "communist dictatorship".

I know that many among the Hollywood crowd, and people who have only visited Cuba as tourists want to say the opposite. But be truthful to yourself. How many of you "really" know or even want to admit that you don't really know what is happening in Cuba?

It is not the Cuban people in general who want the dictatorship to remain in place, although yes there are Cubans who do, mostly those who have some position of power and with it privileges that most other Cubans don't have. Similar to how it was in the Soviet Union during it's days as a communist regime.

However, if the U.S. will ease or lift the embargo what you will see is the castro regime sending more of their thugs to the U.S. to socialize more Americans and make money for the communist dictatorship so that it can survive longer.

The U.S. government knows this. Just do a search on google on how many spies have been caught who were working for Cuba and how many millions of dollars have been laundered to Cuban banks by many such spies working for the communist regime.

Heck, the Cuban government is also known to have scammed millions of dollars from medicare and the money has ended up in Cuban banks, owned by the Cuban government.

Feds in Miami: Millions stolen from Medicare wound up in Cuban banking system

 1:51 p.m. Monday, June 18, 2012 | Filed in: News
In an unprecedented case, federal prosecutors have charged a Miami man with engaging in a massive money laundering scheme that moved millions stolen from the federal Medicare program into Cuban banks.

Prosecutors in Miami say Oscar Sanchez, 46, was a key leader in a group that funneled more than $31 million in Medicare dollars into banks in Havana — the first such case that directly traces money fleeced from the beleaguered program into the Cuban banking system.
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www.palmbeachpost.com...

None of this money EVER helped Cubans, and much less Americans, it helps the communist dictatorship remain in power. Same thing for tourism in Cuba which for the most part helps only the Cuban government meanwhile just some regular Cubans get a couple of dollars from tourists by helping them.

President Obama and his administration trying to ease relations with Cuba to "try to westernize it"? Highly unlikely, and they know this. Instead what I am almost certain we would see is more propaganda coming from the communist regime in Cuba trying to convince more Americans to become more socialist.

originally posted by: MrSpad
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Of course that group escaped Cuba when things were bad, had family killed or just missing etc. Even though things have changed in Cuba a great deal that generation will never be ok with this. Younger Cuban American generations of course feel different and see the embargo as just hurting the Cuban people.

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Humm, could you please tell us WHEN have things in Cuba been better? Do you have family there? Have you ever lived as a Cuban? I am one of the younger generation of Cuban-Americans, I didn't leave Cuba in the 50s.

Anyways, as to what is happening in Cuba these days? It is harder than ever to get food, hospitals where the common Cubans go to are even worse than ever before, and to this day if you try to protest against the communist regime not only do you get beaten, but you get jailed.

Here is an example, for example the 'Ladies in White from Cuba". BTW, "Ladies in white" is not a name because most of these ladies are white, many are black, they call themselves that because they wear white.



Here is what one of the few Cubans who would dare to speak out about the truth happening there has to say, and he is in Cuba.



If you are a tourist and you ask many Cubans very few will tell you this simply because they are scared of what the Cuban government thugs will do to them. A lot of people don't seem to understand that Cuba is a communist dictatorship.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
A lot of people don't seem to understand that Cuba is a communist dictatorship.

And a lot of first world people have been there and call this propaganda BS. Your point?

I was actually at the White House this afternoon. There were about 75 protesters out front laying in the road and holding anti-Cuba signs. They were shouting stuff in some foreign language ... not sure which one. I was thinking .. Cuba?? I get home and find out Obama did his Cuba thing so it makes sense now.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
A lot of people don't seem to understand that Cuba is a communist dictatorship.

And a lot of first world people have been there and call this propaganda BS. Your point?

oh, you mean the people/aka tourists who spent most of their time in tourist designated areas and don't get to live in Cuba as a Cuban?...

You mean the same people who "believe" that Cuba has one of the best "healthcares in the world"? Despite the fact that there have been dozens of smuggled videos of real Cuban hospitals that are reserved for the Cuban people, and not the TOURIST hospitals and hospitals reserved for the tourists and communist high ranks in the Cuban government...

The following are some of the real hospitals that most Cubans can access and not what Michael Moore led you to believe with his political propaganda campaign.

WARNING SOME GRAPHIC IMAGES OF SICK, INJURED AND DEAD PEOPLE N CUBAN HOSPITALS.

Here is a video showing about the Cuban psychiatric hospital in Mazorra and the 27-40 (the Cuban government says 27, meanwhile Cubans there say it was more like 40) patients who died starved and cold...









If you want to believe "Hollywood"'s version of Cuba, perhaps you should listen to those who were born in Cuba and know what the situation in there is like, such as actor Andy Garcia.



Or the singer/artist Gloria Estefan.



But of course like always some people, more so foreigners who really don't know what is happening there or just simply want to ignore the truth will claim the opposite.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
A lot of people don't seem to understand that Cuba is a communist dictatorship.

And a lot of first world people have been there and call this propaganda BS. Your point?

Been there, and in my experience, I'm with intrepid.

If you get a chance, and I hope more people do, go to Cuba. (coo-BA)

Great culture. Great food. Great nightlife. Stay clear of the American Torture Prison.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Lots of the troubles will be going away once the US ends the trade embargo.

socialism and communism can be cured for the right price.

once you get castro hooked on this drug called consumerism and profits he will be like a puppet on and string.
shape up and stop the human rights abuses or we`ll cut off the goodies.

introduce Raoul castro to some of our friends, McDonald and Wal-mart, give him %5 of the profits from the Cuban Wal-Mart and McDonalds deposited directly into his personal bank account and he will be our friend for life.
sometimes it`s true, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
once castro gets a taste of our good ole American corrupt capitalism he will forget all about communism.
If he starts stepping out of line just threaten to take away all the goodies and he`ll see the light.

The carrot and stick approach works best but we haven`t been using a carrot to dangle in front of castro nose we have just been using a stick and that hasn`t worked and it won`t work.

never underestimate the power of greed.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Sorry, you broke my propaganda meter. Do I listen to propaganda? Do I listen to hundreds that have been there? Are you saying that ALL those tourists never saw these humanitarian infractions? The WORLD is oblivious and your perception of Cuba is the only reality?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
I would like to have the money to open a car dealership down there.

I can't believe I actually agree with a decision that the dunce Obama made. I believe this will turn out to be a good thing for both of our Nations.

I love Cuban food. I can taste those pineapple seared crab cakes, and the cold Mojitos that will wash them down now. ~$heopleNation