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Obama to Announce Easing in U.S.-Cuba Relations

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posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: intrepid

Well these people aren't too thrilled about this, and I don't blame them.


Little Havana Cubans Happy For Gross, Angry At Administration

U.S.-Cuba policy overhaul sends shockwaves through Miami exile community


Sorry but why the F is Cuba any of he USA dammed business?

Why embargo Cuba when the USA is in bed with the likes of Saudi Arabia?

USA should just let Cuba be.




posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 07:16 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Yo read the topic ?

Did or didn't the current administration decide to get in to bed with one of the world' most notorious bloody regimes ?

Yep.



Its already in bed with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?

And anyway its not "getting into bed" far from its. Just normalizing diplomatic relations...hardly a alliance.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 07:22 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
the only way it will change is with the complete dissolution of the communist regime, and that will not happen with open relations with...."the communist regime"...



And why the Fing hell is it any of the USA GD business or duty to try and "force" that regime change?

Why cant the USA just step back and let the Cuban people rise up if they want too.

Why does the US of Fing A have to play world police?

Why doesn't the USA embargo Saudi Arabia and other dictatorships?

Hypocrisy.
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posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
Why cant the USA just step back and let the Cuban people rise up if they want too.


We tried that and let them down when they needed help.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 07:50 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Why cant the USA just step back and let the Cuban people rise up if they want too.




No way the people there can.

Everything is under complete Authoritarian control.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 07:57 PM
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Anyway, here is what another Cuban has to say about Cuba, and communism. BTW, yes, his testimony was also pro-gun, but it is in relation to what he lived in Cuba. I am not trying to change the topic, but in that testimony he also states things that happened, and to this day still happen in Cuba.




posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 07:59 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

And why the Fing hell is it any of the USA GD business or duty to try and "force" that regime change?

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Hypocrisy.


Why?... Because Cuba to this day still has real spies in the U.S.... Many of these spies are the same people who are scamming U.S. medicare and get all the money to Cuban banks to supply the communist regime and keep happy the top communist thugs.

Why?.. Because the communist regime, apart from many other atrocities have murdered even Cuban-Americans and American citizens from "hermanos al rescate" when all they were doing was trying to help Cubans that were using inflated tires, and makeshift boats to LEAVE Cuba...

Heck, there were foreigners who saw from afar the Cuban migs that shot down the CIVILIAN planes from "hermanos al rescate" (brothers to the rescue)


Murder in the Florida Straits

By Juan Paxety on February 22nd, 2008


Sunday is the anniversary of one of the truly dark days in American history. On February 24, 1996 three U.S. citizens and one legal U.S. resident were flying a humanitarian mission over the Straits of Florida. They and another pilot were flying three small private planes looking for refugees in the shark infested waters between Cuba and the United States. fidel and raul castro ordered them murdered, and a pilot in the Cuban Air Force, flying a jet fighter, shot down two of the three planes. The Clinton Administration did nothing in response.
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paxety.com...


And again, why ignore the fact that the Cuban government has committed fraud against the U.S. government? Obviously Obama and his administration seem to have "forgotten"...



Feds in Miami: Millions stolen from Medicare wound up in Cuban banking system

 1:51 p.m. Monday, June 18, 2012 | Filed in: News
In an unprecedented case, federal prosecutors have charged a Miami man with engaging in a massive money laundering scheme that moved millions stolen from the federal Medicare program into Cuban banks.

Prosecutors in Miami say Oscar Sanchez, 46, was a key leader in a group that funneled more than $31 million in Medicare dollars into banks in Havana — the first such case that directly traces money fleeced from the beleaguered program into the Cuban banking system.
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www.palmbeachpost.com...

That is just one example.




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posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Yetyour willing to be allies with the likes Saudi Arabia ect ? A just a evil dictaorship were most of the 9/11 terrorists are from?




Honnestly you cant see the hypocracy here?


And really spying?i bet the USA has dozens of its own spys in Cuba! Hell everyone has spys everywere!



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:07 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen


a reply to: crazyewok

Why cant the USA just step back and let the Cuban people rise up if they want too.




No way the people there can.

Everything is under complete Authoritarian control.



O well sucks for them

Still fail to see why its the USA problem?



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:07 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
.... Many of these spies are the same people who are scamming U.S. medicare and get all the money to Cuban banks to supply the communist regime and keep happy the top communist thugs.




Rick Scott scammed Medicare for billions, now he is governor of Florida.

Even Fidel has admitted the communist experiment was a failure. However most of the free world practices socialism(even the US has socialistic practices).



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:10 PM
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This is great, overdue in my opinion. I think this will be good for the Cuban people, they shouldn't have to suffer because of politics in the US, in particular Florida. Those who argue this will not change anything but cave to the communist regime, I really have to ask you what good has the embargo done over the last what? 50 odd years? Nothing. The only people who suffered from this embargo are the Cuban people, most whom are poor. Castro never cared, he was still living in a nice mansion before he passed, the Cuban elite live in absolute luxury. If anything the embargo served the regime more to keep the population in line.. weakened by the effects of the embargo... I can understand the embargo following the bay of pigs, but it's lifting was long overdue.

It is my hope the easing of the embargo (and the eventual lifting of the embargo) will energize the Cuban people to rise against the regime and push for change.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Yetyour willing to be allies with the likes Saudi Arabia ect ? A just a evil dictaorship were most of the 9/11 terrorists are from?




Honnestly you cant see the hypocracy here?


And really spying?i bet the USA has dozens of its own spys in Cuba! Hell everyone has spys everywere!


Can you point to me where in the world did I say it's ok to be allies with Saudi Arabia?...

I don't agree with many of the practices of Saudi Arabia, and things they have done. But again, what in the world does Saudi Arabia have to do with Cuba?...

You claim there is no reason for the U.S. not to normalize relations with Cuba, yet you are ignoring the facts that Cuba to this day works to defraud the U.S., not to mention that it is a full dictatorship that has no love whatsoever for Americans in general or capitalism.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

"Castro never cared, he was still living in a nice mansion before he passed, the Cuban elite live in absolute luxury."

www.usatoday.com...

He's still alive
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posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:18 PM
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originally posted by: jrod


Rick Scott scammed Medicare for billions, now he is governor of Florida.

Even Fidel has admitted the communist experiment was a failure. However most of the free world practices socialism(even the US has socialistic practices).



Yeah, sure, and one of those "socialistic practices" is a central bank known as the Federal Reserve...



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:20 PM
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a reply to: snowspirit

The ol' coot is still alive!! Thanks, I stand corrected.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: snowspirit

He is living, and has several mansions. castro never sleeps in the same mansion, he is constantly moving. not only does he fear the U.S. government, he fears what other Cubans could do to him if they could safely get their hands on him.

The top brass communists in Cuba live in mansions, and good houses, which is why so many of them are die hard communists.



posted on Dec, 17 2014 @ 09:24 PM
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Rather than a Russian angle to all this, I see this as the US taking advantage of a strategic opportunity backed by a very strong and heartfelt socio-political reality. The US has had an alienated and quite vociferous Central and
South American (Spanish speaking) opponent that it is only now realising could be important, think Venezuela, Bolivia, Mexico and Argentina for example. I don't actually know the figures for latin americans, but I can guess it's not a demographic to be ignored, especially given the current state of world affairs. As my grandad used to say "You can't have too many friends, but one enemy is one too many"



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 02:30 AM
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This is long overdue and very welcome. I'm sure there will be difficulties in normalizing completely. Many companies and Cuban refugees will try to recoup losses that followed nationalization of property by the government of Fidel Castro. That has always been the main impediment to normalization, excluding communism itself of course.

This is another reason to congratulate the President. I have heard the man criticized from every conceivable standpoint, but with extended health care coverage and an easing of tensions with Cuba, this president is helping Americans in ways they may not fully appreciate for decades.

It's a good day for a country that could use a good day. I'm not talking about Cuba.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 03:52 AM
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What did he say? "today america will toss of the shackles of the past". It will? Did he decide that all by himself?

Also, Cuba has been able to trade with all the other nations of the world up to now. Castro has had years to build up some sort of respectable economic situation down there. But that really wouldn't serve his majesties personal ends. Che would be disgusted with this new turn of events. Castro never was a real communist but a tool always with the Soviet and Chines aid money just to keep the dope show going.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 04:39 AM
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It's been a long time coming.All this saber rattling and rhetoric with Cuba got us nowhere.All the shrill cries of outrage we been hearing are all coming from people whose bank accounts are about to get light.The various people and politicians down in South Florida who have duped the remaining Anti-Castro Cubans into voting for them very year by vowing to finally do something about Castro and then nothing.Obama's handlers did do something about it they re-normalized relations with them.



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