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Obama to Announce Easing in U.S.-Cuba Relations

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posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 05:28 AM
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Castro never wanted a good relationship with the Evil Empire. Hes been waiting all these years for someone to extend the branch in such a way as to allow him to save face. He was on the sh*t list for jailing dissidents and shipping his criminals over here with contempt.

Hes has always been a big mouth blow hard known for speeches that lasted for hours. He blamed the US for the ills that befell Cuba to pacify the people and jailed or killed the ones that didn't buy it.

Cuba will now become part of the american welfare state.




posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 06:46 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Yetyour willing to be allies with the likes Saudi Arabia ect ? A just a evil dictaorship were most of the 9/11 terrorists are from?




Honnestly you cant see the hypocracy here?


And really spying?i bet the USA has dozens of its own spys in Cuba! Hell everyone has spys everywere!


Can you point to me where in the world did I say it's ok to be allies with Saudi Arabia?...

I don't agree with many of the practices of Saudi Arabia, and things they have done. But again, what in the world does Saudi Arabia have to do with Cuba?...

You claim there is no reason for the U.S. not to normalize relations with Cuba, yet you are ignoring the facts that Cuba to this day works to defraud the U.S., not to mention that it is a full dictatorship that has no love whatsoever for Americans in general or capitalism.









My point is saudi arabia is a evil brutal dictatorship yet the USA does not just have normal relations but are allies with
With them! And I would say being a center point for half of al queda is far worse than a bit of medicad fraud.

Just high lighting the double standard here.


And so what if cuba is communist? Again what right does the USA have to dictate economic policy to another country?



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 09:28 AM
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I sense Democrats shopping for more voters.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
My point is saudi arabia is a evil brutal dictatorship yet the USA does not just have normal relations but are allies with
With them! And I would say being a center point for half of al queda is far worse than a bit of medicad fraud.
Just high lighting the double standard here.
And so what if cuba is communist? Again what right does the USA have to dictate economic policy to another country?
Might I point out the irony of these diatribes being pounded out on Chinese-built keyboards? Nope...no double standards here...nothing to see...move along, move along.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

But the current policies that are in place are not doing anything for Cuba. Funny thing is that the US failed when it came to Cuba. We backed the revolution when it was going through, as the US did not like Bastista. And when Castro turned around and told the US, that no, he was going to set policy not based on DC politics, the US turned on him in a new york minute.

So if the current policies are not working, after so many years, maybe it is time to change the way we deal with a neighbor that is 90 miles to the south, that the US does have a military base on, and start something new, like a dialogue and start opening up to have a normal diplomatic relations with, and start trying to make things better for the people there.

The reality about Cuba, is that for all of the problems on that country, they do out do one thing that the USA has yet to achieve, and that is that it has one of the highest literacy rates in the world. So tell us, who is this embargo really hurting, the government of Cuba or its people? I would think based off of what I know of the island nation, is that the only thing that this embargo has done, is hurt the very people we wish to free. If we can help out those people, by lifting the embargo and start normal relations with them, then it may be a step in the right direction and ultimately bring about the change that is better for all.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 12:27 PM
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i never usuallyagree with anything barry says but in this i can. the cuban people have shown to be able to weather 50 years worth of embargo so it is time to lift it . they are not actively conducting experiments in getting nukes so lets open up trade with them. and yes i know he is just doing this to change the subject off of something else he doesn 't want us to talk about.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Xcathdra

Its about time the embargo goes away and diplomatic relations are restored.


I am all for improving the lives of Cubans through trade but I am skeptical how much the average citizen's life will improve via the lifting of the embargo. I am fairly certain the Castro family will benefit much more then they will.


Ya, so how does an embargo make anything better here , EVER.

Pretty funny watching Obama talk about how those sanctions did nothing but make it worse for everyone, make the world worse off, and yet we watch them BINDING people and governments all over the world......



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: ParasuvO
Ya, so how does an embargo make anything better here , EVER.


An embargo is not designed to make anything better, it is intended to make things worse.




edit on 18-12-2014 by AugustusMasonicus because: networkdude has no beer



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So the best response is to embargo the place and COMPLETELY cut off the people whom you so badly feel for ??

Bizarre how these kinds of actions have NEVER helped anyone in the world but the "west" thinks it is a good idea.

Enough of ALL of the worlds politics.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: crazyewok


My point is saudi arabia is a evil brutal dictatorship yet the USA does not just have normal relations but are allies with
With them! And I would say being a center point for half of al queda is far worse than a bit of medicad fraud.




Again, first of all, you among some others are going off topic by trying talking about "other countries".

Second of all, even though it is a dictatorship the government of Saudi Arabia itself does not constantly bash at the U.S. and the Saudi royalty work with the U.S. not against it. The communist regime of Cuba doesn't.

BTW, don't try to get off topic again by now bringing up conspiracy theories regarding "SAUDI ARABIA"...




originally posted by: crazyewok

And so what if cuba is communist? Again what right does the USA have to dictate economic policy to another country?



The embargo on Cuba wasn't done simply because it was a communist regime, but because it was a regime willing to have nuclear weapons pointed at the U.S. The sentiments of the communist regime of Cuba against the U.S. HAVEN'T CHANGED. If the communist regime could they would have nuclear weapons not only pointed at the U.S., but the castros would have used them by now.







edit on 18-12-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 05:16 PM
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BTW, a quick observation not many seem to have noticed.

If Obama and his administration truly intended to do this, why wait until now?... Why wait until the majority of Congress is Republican, which he knows will most probably not pass this?...

This is obviously politically motivated, Obama and his administration don't really want this to happen, because if they did they would have done it when DEMOCRATS had a majority of Congress.

What most of those who claim "this is a good idea" don't seem to get is that this is one of the attempts of Obama and his administration to gain votes again from the left while backing something which they know will most probably never occur.
edit on 18-12-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 05:40 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So when was the last time you were in Cuba?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Looks like Raul is making good moves. Living in the past leaves one behind.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: intrepid

So what in the world makes you think I know what is going on in Cuba today because of my last visit?

I have family in Cuba, and once in a while either my grandmother, or an aunt comes to visit, and guess what? We talk about the situation in Cuba.

Those who can't visit are doctors and other professionals because the regime doesn't want to risk losing them. Which is also why those Cuban doctors that are sent to "supposedly help" other countries are followed constantly by communist thugs from the regime. Of course, if any Cuban doctor, or other professional has family in Cuba and leaves, he/she knows that their families will pay for it. One of my aunts had to wait until she retired, she was a doctor, to be able to come to the U.S. to visit her daughter here.

BTW, they go back there because my aunts have more sons and daughters there, and my grandmother will never leave until everyone is out of the island.

One more thing. Do tell us please, how do you figure that most Cubans will be able to invest in a hotel room, etc, when most don't get enough to cover all their needs?

Do you even have any idea how much do most Cubans get paid? It's about $10 from the lowest paying jobs to about $60 U.S.D. a month or so. With the most being paid to doctors who are specialists in more than a field, and they get paid about $60 or so.

Even a doctor being paid $60 a month, do tell me please, how many of those doctors you think can afford to buy a hotel room?

The great majority of Cubans who get to be able to "invest" in a hotel room, or on some other type of business that would pay good are those who are among the higher ranks of the communist regime. But not the average Cuban.






edit on 18-12-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Obfuscation. You didn't answer my question.When was the last time you went to Cuba?



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 06:24 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Obfuscation. You didn't answer my question.When was the last time you went to Cuba?



2000. When was the last time you were in Cuba and lived there as a Cuban with your family?... Or when was the last time you checked with your family in Cuba what the situation there is like?.... You want to talk about "obfuscation"?...



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 06:26 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

14 years. Cool. And that country can't change in that time?

ETA: Raul seems to be moving in the right direction. Keep the embargo in place EU? It only hurt your cousins.


edit on 18-12-2014 by intrepid because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 06:30 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

14 years. Cool. And that country can't change in that time?



So, you have no family whatsoever in Cuba, and you want to believe what your friends who lived in expensive hotel rooms and saw the tourist reserved areas claim is happening there... But you think you know what is happening in Cuba?... Not only that, but it is obvious that you want to ignore and dismiss what the majority of other Cubans and Cuban-Americans who live abroad have to say. You even want to dismiss Canadians and other tourists who have actually done their due diligence in trying to understand the situation there...

So again, who is obfuscating the topic and not accepting reality?



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 06:33 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

How do you know? You haven't been there in a decade and a half. I know people that are there right now. THAT is the point. You are pissy because of the past, not what's happening NOW.



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: intrepid

Do you have a problem understanding that I have FAMILY there now? You have TOURISTS friends. That's what YOU said yourself...

And about being pissy, do tell me since it is obvious that for your "political motives" you don't want to believe me. Tell me, why are you dismissing what the majority of other Cubans and Cuban Americans have to say which refutes your claims?

Then again, why do you want to believe your TOURIST Canadian friends meanwhile also wanting to dismiss Canadians who have actually done their due diligence in trying to understand some of the situation in the island?...



posted on Dec, 18 2014 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

What we are trying to understand, is how you believe that keeping things the way they are can ever lead to any movement of any kind.

Keeping things status quo is a proven failure.

You say that ridding the embargo will make it worse ??

Getting real tired of people using the same old systematic thinking, aren't you tired of it yet??




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