Obama is announcing immigration reform ....

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[Quote]originally posted by: Willtell
I finally figured out why Obama did this.

A smart political move after all, for Hillary in 2016.

Here is the political equation and it makes sense for the dems

In 2016 if any of the GOP candidates campaigns that they will do away with what Obama did tonight they will get creamed in the Latino community!

Now it makes sense.

So Obama wants to pull a Regan and grant broad amnesty. Well, that just worked out great, didn't it?

He is right about one thing: the immigration system is broken, and not in the way either side thinks. Its hard to play by the rules when they rules were written by reality challenged idiots from a completely different time period.

But beyond that, I think border security is a far more important issue than immigration alone, and in fixing border security, we probably could fix the immigration problem on top of it. The biggest problem with our southern border is not the influx of immigrants themselves, but the multitude of bad elements that operate around them. Like drug cartels and gangs, potential terrorists, criminals, all can come and go as they please with little to no resistance. As a result, the southern border in many areas has become war zones. And what do you do when a war is creeping on your borders? You send in your military.

The best solution for this problem would be to close up all but a few skeleton crew bases overseas, and bring all military forces home. No more wars unless we get directly attacked by an actual foreign nation, and not a ragtag band jihadis, either. After closing the foreign bases, we should open up a few new ones along the border, and then use our military forces (especially MPs, light infantry, cav units) and have them patrolling the borders. Set up a few processing centers for immigrants, where people are screened for contagious diseases, criminal links, or anything else. If they pass, then congrats. Welcome to the U.S., here's your green card, have fun. The other undesirable elements can be weeded out more effectively, and with a permanent U.S. military presence, the more militant activity from gangs, coyotes, and drug cartels should be drastically reduced. No more Mexican army shooting at border agents to run cover for drug gangs. And on top of it, our military people get to do what they signed up for: defending America. On top of it, getting training and preparedness through work, thus increasing the general readiness and combat effectiveness of our troops should we need them elsewhere.

But that might make too much sense, and thus, it will never happen. There is no lobby for it.

a reply to: Willtell

The "Latino" vote for Republicans might not matter.

originally posted by: Willtell
I finally figured out why Obama did this.

A smart political move after all, for Hillary in 2016.

Here is the political equation and it makes sense for the dems

In 2016 if any of the GOP candidates campaigns that they will do away with what Obama did tonight they will get creamed in the Latino community!

Now it makes sense.

Yea, it makes sense...

He did this so HE can't be deported after he's impeached.

I mourn for our democratic republic.

~Namaste

a reply to: xuenchen

What I heard tonight was a President Of these United States telling it's Legal Citizens that he is Not going to Uphold his Oath Of Office and Enforce the Law . To me , that Alone is a Crime and an Impeachable Offense . Welcome to the NEW AMERICA , Chaos from Order..........."(

originally posted by: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
So Obama wants to pull a Regan and grant broad amnesty. Well, that just worked out great, didn't it?

He is right about one thing: the immigration system is broken, and not in the way either side thinks. Its hard to play by the rules when they rules were written by reality challenged idiots from a completely different time period.

But beyond that, I think border security is a far more important issue than immigration alone, and in fixing border security, we probably could fix the immigration problem on top of it. The biggest problem with our southern border is not the influx of immigrants themselves, but the multitude of bad elements that operate around them. Like drug cartels and gangs, potential terrorists, criminals, all can come and go as they please with little to no resistance. As a result, the southern border in many areas has become war zones. And what do you do when a war is creeping on your borders? You send in your military.

The best solution for this problem would be to close up all but a few skeleton crew bases overseas, and bring all military forces home. No more wars unless we get directly attacked by an actual foreign nation, and not a ragtag band jihadis, either. After closing the foreign bases, we should open up a few new ones along the border, and then use our military forces (especially MPs, light infantry, cav units) and have them patrolling the borders. Set up a few processing centers for immigrants, where people are screened for contagious diseases, criminal links, or anything else. If they pass, then congrats. Welcome to the U.S., here's your green card, have fun. The other undesirable elements can be weeded out more effectively, and with a permanent U.S. military presence, the more militant activity from gangs, coyotes, and drug cartels should be drastically reduced. No more Mexican army shooting at border agents to run cover for drug gangs. And on top of it, our military people get to do what they signed up for: defending America. On top of it, getting training and preparedness through work, thus increasing the general readiness and combat effectiveness of our troops should we need them elsewhere.

But that might make too much sense, and thus, it will never happen. There is no lobby for it.

You do know that when Reagan granted amnesty, it was because he signed the bill that was already passed by the house and senate right?

Or would you rather speak untruths as to promote a political ideology?

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

For clarity,

how does Obama's plan compare to Reagan's ?

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Willtell

The "Latino" vote for Republicans might not matter.

Maybe for Rubio,Perry, and Jeb, and that is a big maybe.

Republicans throw up another 'moderate' again they just might as well change there names to Democrats.

eh, gliches....

a reply to: seeker1963

You do know that when Reagan granted amnesty, it was because he signed the bill that was already passed by the house and senate right? Or would you rather speak untruths as to promote a political ideology?

Then CLinton did that same thing on multiple occasions.

www.numbersusa.com...

Then GW tried, and 'somebody' was the party of 'no'.

en.wikipedia.org...

Now suddenly after 7 YEARS is so all fired 'important'!!!!!

Who cares. Their here. And most work under the table and aren't contributing to the system that authorized workers and citizens do.

So, bring 5 million people into the fold, and make them contributing members of society, is somehow a bad idea.

I think the only ones who are going to have their feelings and wallets hurt from this are the schmucks who abuse undocumented workers, for profit immigration prisons, and the resistance from those that obviously are devoid of compassion.

The politics involved has created a very biased viewpoint towards undocumented people. Politics aside, we are talking about ordinary people and families.

I've lived near the border and saw firsthand good people who've been here and worked under the table, paid no taxes, contributed nothing into the system, not because they wouldn't but, because of fear.

This will hopefully allow these people who are not criminals, attend our schools and universities a chance, and bring them out of the shadows, at least we'll have a better idea of whose in the country.

If anything the right should love this, because if nothing gets done legislatively and Republicans take the WH back, that's five million less people they have to look for to deport.

He says it's impossible to deport millions of illegals? Stop the damned jobs and freebies and they'll leave for free! If they don't, there are millions who are more than willing to pitch in for bus tickets!

And what's this getting to the back of the line bull? They are here, they will stay here and they will continue to work here. How is that getting to the back of the line?

And what was that bull about ripping kids from families arms? How dare he say such a thing! If parents get deported it's their own damned fault and no one else's! And there should be no such thing as anchor babies!

As for making the border more secure...that was promised at the last amnesty. We all see how that worked out!

a reply to: Daedal

I'm not convinced this will change the status of 5 million people.

I'm not convinced this will even get 250,000 to go along.

Maybe only a few thousand. Maybe.

Precisely...

[Quote]originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: seeker1963

You do know that when Reagan granted amnesty, it was because he signed the bill that was already passed by the house and senate right? Or would you rather speak untruths as to promote a political ideology?

Then CLinton did that same thing on multiple occasions.

www.numbersusa.com...

Then GW tried, and 'somebody' was the party of 'no'.

en.wikipedia.org...

Now suddenly after 7 YEARS is so all fired 'important'!!!!!

a reply to: Daedal

Politics aside, we are talking about ordinary people and families.

Ordinary people and families who cut to the front of the line while others have gone through the proper channel. Illegals get rewarded and those coming here the right way get screwed.

www.washingtontimes.com... guess some groups think he didnt go far enough and something tells me this will complicate his last two years in office

Dreamers had hoped their parents would be included, but the president stopped short of that, only extending protections to parents of children that have a permanent lawful status in the U.S. And gay-rights advocates, in particular, said their concerns went unheeded. They said that the president’s decision to limit his deportation amnesty to family ties excludes many of them, since their lifestyle doesn’t often include children who are the central focus of the president’s plan. “As a community, we know that we do not fit the normal definition of families that continue to dominate public discourse. Many LGBTQ undocumented immigrants do not have families that are U.S. citizens or permanent residents that could allow them to qualify for the program,” said Yesenia Valdez, organizer for Familia TQLM. Read more: www.washingtontimes.com... Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

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www.usatoday.com...

Americans defeated President Obama's disastrous amnesty plans both in Congressand at the voting booth. Tonight, President Obama defied an entire nation and declared that he will impose his rejected amnesty through the brute force of executive order. President Obama's executive amnesty will provide an estimated 5 million illegal immigrants with the exact benefits Congress rejected, in violation of federal law. His order will grant them social security numbers, government-issued ID's, legal status and work permits. Illegal immigrants will now be able to take jobs and benefits directly from struggling Americans in a time of high unemployment and low wages. They will be able to take jobs from Americans in all occupations, ranging from truck drivers to power company workers to jobs with city government. Many illegal immigrants will also be able to obtain green cards and become permanent residents, allowing them access to almost all federal programs, to receive citizenship and sponsor foreign relatives to join them in the U.S.

townhall.com...

a reply to: Night Star

He says it's impossible to deport millions of illegals?

Not impossible. Just requires 'hard work'.

And with the part time job rate, and the unemployment rate with over 100 million Americans out of work.

It's entirely DOABLE.

a reply to: Night Star

And who or what let that happen?

ETA
How much money do you have to have to go through the proper channels?

If your poor can you get in line?

originally posted by: Night Star
a reply to: Daedal

Politics aside, we are talking about ordinary people and families.

Ordinary people and families who cut to the front of the line while others have gone through the proper channel. Illegals get rewarded and those coming here the right way get screwed.

Not to mention "ordinary people and families" won't have the money to pay the "fines" and "taxes".

I think Obama is causing and encouraging more illegal immigration by proxy.

There is a deeper agenda here.

Allowing parents of American citizens to stay here is a bad thing?