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originally posted by: My_Reality
a reply to: deadeyedick
Acceptable proof would be very easy to believe yet extremely difficult to witness. It would be as simple as seeing a person transmute water into wine. As simple as laying hands on a blind man and curing his disability. As simple as restoring life to a dead man or woman. Parting the sea with the raising of a hand. Simply anything that ancient religious texts claim has been done.
Short of that nothing would convince me of the existence of a specific deity or god. Better yet, I don't need proof. I sense higher powers in this reality and give them their due. The funny thing though is they do not resemble the petty, spiteful, destructive, vengeful personalities of the deities or god that many major religions insist exists.
originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
In all fairness, who are we to question someone's faith?
Is it not down to the the individual to decide what they believe in?
People question the fact that religious faith should not be rammed down someone's throat, which I agree. However, I also believe that we shouldn't jump on people that have the belief, why should people want to attack someone who has this belief?
Love is what it's all about, real love that is, regardless of beliefs.
originally posted by: Jonjonj
Belief in god is an act of faith, as such it precludes, in fact spurns the very idea of proof. A demonstration of proof would deny the reality of god as the god figure is based on faith. A quandary indeed. I myself am not a follower of any religion.
originally posted by: deadeyedick
I just thought it could be educational to hear from people about where they draw the line between proof of GOD and decption or mental illness. Let's say that he decides to come and convince everyone that he has always been real. What would it take to convince you and how would you discern any signs from illusion or someone calling you ill? With todays technology growing will there ever be irrefutable evidence that you would accept?
originally posted by: greyer
a reply to: deadeyedick
The acceptable proof....that religions are all a lie and The Dead Sea Scrolls are the true source from which the New Testament was written, is that in 1990 a scholar came out because of an issue in his conscience. If you are unaware, there has been important people for the last 70s telling us, the general public, that there is an academic scandal specifically a cover up involving the release and meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
It is 'the first time that the term "Son of God" has been found in a Jewish or Palestinian text outside the Bible.'
originally posted by: Abednego
Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. And many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time. "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. (Matthew 24:4-5; 11; 23-27)
Is hard to prove the existence of God, when you have quotes like the one above. Even Him is telling us not to believe in anything that comes saying "I'm God, I'm the Christ". So it will be quite hard even for Him to prove His own existence (Even performing miracles or other type of show).
We can have all the faith in the world, but since the quote says not to believe in anyone saying that he is the Christ, well that kind of nullifies any attempt.
So at the end the thing is: Go live your life with the highest moral standard you can have, be good, just believe in God. And will see what happen when the day comes.
The fallacy occurs when the act of prophesying will itself produce the effect that is prophesied, but the reasoner doesn't recognize this and believes the prophesy is a significant insight.