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posted on Nov, 1 2014 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: Abednego

If you want to explain the word created, we need to established what the word really means (or what do you want the word to mean). Because we can give 2 meanings.
1. creation - to create something "ex nihilo" or "out of nothing".
2. creation - to make something that do not existed before; example to make a car, a pair of sunglasses, etc.

I'll use the number 2 (and that still will get me to number 1).
- Even if everything came from something already existing or matter already existing; we still have to answer "from where that matter came from?, or "how that matter came to appear?".
Matter is made from atoms, atoms are made from protons and electrons, those ones are made of quarks and leptons, then we have the Higgs Bosom. But still we have to ask, from where did they came from? Just out of nothing?

Then ask yourself what is the nothing. Can you explain nothing? There is no way to explain nothing, because as soon as you try to, your are making it something.
- In order to say that there is nothing, you need a reference of something to compare to.

We cannot said evolution, because evolution still raises the question.

We are left with the ALL.

In the beginning was the NOTHING. If the NOTHING can exist, then the NOTHING was probable. If the NOTHING was probable, then too, ALL the possibilities. In a finite instant these 2 forces (Nothing and All), interact with each other, creating the singularity. From there exist this universe and everything in it and the law of the opposites.


Who said there was nothing? Who said there was a beginning? By the way, those are serious questions.




posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: Tangerine
So you're saying that you don't have to conform to the reality of when the Dead Sea Scrolls were written because no one cares about righteousness and minds have a purpose? Huh? That's pure gibberish.



Some of it may be. But the facts are that people argue over the dates of the Dead Sea Scrolls. It is still not proven. Some think it was all the way up until the end of time for the Jews in that era, around 66 A.D. that the writers were still documenting in their ink well writing stations.

They said in the Scrolls that it was 315 years after the return from Babylon. That is around 220 B.C. But the scrolls are very very in depth, and there are many. There are around 900 books from 15,000 fragments. That is enough to complete a whole bible. Originally it was said 400 to 500 books. Do you know what that means? 900 books is enough to write 10 bibles. These were not the Zealots, if they were, then the Zealots would be a fraction of them that broke off. These were the actual branch of Sadducees who were the priests of Judea that broke off from the high priests because the thought money and other things were corrupting the Jewish faith. This was the central infrastructure in Judea, but the ones keeping the ancient traditions going back to Abraham. That means that 900 books could not of all been written in the same year of 220 B.C. No, they were written throughout those centuries and up to the last days of Judea. It was the real essence of the NT, they were writing the OT in the present tense, a tense that is fulfilling the OT, in the forms of footnotes to the OT books or incorporating their own fulfillment of the OT into the actual story, as in the Habakkuk book and others, mentioning the Teach Of Righteousness who was persecuted by the Wicked Priest. When you go into the teaching of the Dead Sea Scrolls, there is no way to argue that the NT was developed from the Dead Sea Scrolls.

That is all I am saying, just like the Egyptians could not of built the Great Pyramid in 20 years, the ancient Jews could not have written all of those scrolls in 20 years. This was something that was kept in a sect of priests throughout the ages.

Of course it helps to give a source of evidence:


The dating of the scroll is connected with it's literary character. Early commentators were impressed by the work, and acribed it to one author. It was seen as a military manual adapted from a similar Roman work dating from the time of Herod The Great, 37 - 4 B.C.
-Jewish Writings of the Second Temple Period: Apocrypha, Pseudepigrapha by Michael E. Stone.


This gives light on the original context of the scrolls, evidence that the Teach of Righteousness who is referred to as the pierced Messiah is the real Christ, which was quickly covered up shortly after the scrolls were understood by the academic powers.
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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: Abednego
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Remember what I said about the ALL? Hermes Trimegistus said:
God is the ALL, HE is the ABSOLUTE, HE can not be divided. And if HE can not be divided, how do we exist? The answer is simple we exist in HIS mind, we are a product of HIS mind, therefore in the mind He can create anything from nothing.
We were made in HIS image; so we too can create in our minds a whole new world, out of nothing.

Like a Matrix.


Hermes Trismegistus may never have existed; however some things are attributed to him. Among those words attributed to him none mention God. You have manipulated to achieve the result you desire and that is dishonest. "The ALL is MIND. The Universe is Mental" does not say "God" or "He".



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: greyer

originally posted by: Tangerine
So you're saying that you don't have to conform to the reality of when the Dead Sea Scrolls were written because no one cares about righteousness and minds have a purpose? Huh? That's pure gibberish.



Some of it may be. But the facts are that people argue over the dates of the Dead Sea Scrolls. It is still not proven. Some think it was all the way up until the end of time for the Jews in that era, around 66 A.D. that the writers were still documenting in their ink well writing stations.

They said in the Scrolls that it was 315 years after the return from Babylon. That is around 220 B.C. But the scrolls are very very in depth, and there are many. There are around 900 books from 15,000 fragments. That is enough to complete a whole bible. Originally it was said 400 to 500 books. Do you know what that means? 900 books is enough to write 10 bibles. These were not the Zealots, if they were, then the Zealots would be a fraction of them that broke off. These were the actual branch of Sadducees who were the priests of Judea that broke off from the high priests because the thought money and other things were corrupting the Jewish faith. This was the central infrastructure in Judea, but the ones keeping the ancient traditions going back to Abraham. That means that 900 books could not of all been written in the same year of 220 B.C. No, they were written throughout those centuries and up to the last days of Judea. It was the real essence of the NT, they were writing the OT in the present tense, a tense that is fulfilling the OT, in the forms of footnotes to the OT books or incorporating their own fulfillment of the OT into the actual story, as in the Habakkuk book and others, mentioning the Teach Of Righteousness who was persecuted by the Wicked Priest. When you go into the teaching of the Dead Sea Scrolls, there is no way to argue that the NT was developed from the Dead Sea Scrolls.

That is all I am saying, just like the Egyptians could not of built the Great Pyramid in 20 years, the ancient Jews could not have written all of those scrolls in 20 years. This was something that was kept in a sect of priests throughout the ages.

Of course it helps to give a source of evidence:


The dating of the scroll is connected with it's literary character. Early commentators were impressed by the work, and acribed it to one author. It was seen as a military manual adapted from a similar Roman work dating from the time of Herod The Great, 37 - 4 B.C.
-Jewish Writings of the Second Temple Period: Apocrypha, Pseudepigrapha by Michael E. Stone.


This gives light on the original context of the scrolls, evidence that the Teach of Righteousness who is referred to as the pierced Messiah is the real Christ, which was quickly covered up shortly after the scrolls were understood by the academic powers.


Twist and manipulate all you want. Your myths do not prove facts.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 04:33 PM
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originally posted by: EaglesFan

originally posted by: Tangerine

The word I am quarreling with is CREATED. I'm surprised you didn't understand that. There is nothing about my being able to think, speak or listen that proves CREATION. Evolution yes. Creation no.


Well it could be Creation yes also.. Even the concept of Evolution was created from somewhere and without a Creation/creator evolution simply wouldn't exist.

Now the creator of everything doesn't have to be a human, even an alien, it could be the scientific explanation of the Big Bang for all we know but assuming the Big Bang is the absolute answer to how the Universe became, everything that we can do came from that lifeless or inanimate event and if something we consider non-intelligent or lifeless can put intelligence into a physical body somewhere down the track after that initial event then we can only wonder if what we have can also exist in the spiritual realm/body/dimension without taking form in a physical/visible body and in our plane of existence..


You're manipulating the meanings of words to reach a predetermined conclusion. You have zero testable evidence proving your hypothesis.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: Abednego

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Abednego

the problem when someone brings up spiritual beings is that the difference between a stray mutt and an omen sent by the gods is pure perception. similarly the difference between a dimension-hopping extraterrestrial with no more contextual significance than a time-traveling government agent is pure perception.

short version being that your spiritual entity might just be a wandering civilian from another dimension and not really any kind of "spiritual representative" or authority. my point is that "spiritual" might just be another word for "i saw this really weird thing the other day and it made me appreciate the universe and its mysteries".

which is a LONG shot from saying "hey i met god".

also...


God is the ALL, HE is the ABSOLUTE, HE can not be divided.


by applying a gender, you have effectively divided god. by saying "the universal manifestation of ultimate being expresses itself as predominantly male" you have excluded what some refer to as the "divine feminine".

way to be promote sexism through spirituality.


I'm well aware of everything you said. And yes, you are right that there is really no way to tell. All is relegated to a personal experience.
As for the use of HE, when referring to the GOD, is not about gender, is in the general use of the word. I'm very fond to the divine feminine aspects.


To claim that HE doesn't reference male is absurd. Put your silly claim to the test. If, as you claim, HE doesn't refer to gender then substitute SHE and claim it doesn't refer to gender.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 04:37 PM
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If such a physical being of absolute power ''god'' were to appear in physical reality to all earth beings it would be obvious, even if in disguise and trying to hide it, IMO it would be obvious.



posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 11:40 PM
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I had a five minute conversation with a psychiatrist and told of some of the things I've witnessed... within 5 minutes he told me I had schizophrenia! That's when I got a camera and started taking pictures of stuff. It doesn't matter though. Once you've been diagnosed by a low brow Canadian they start trying to dictate your life.

Anyways, I asked reality for help and called out to god, satan, or whatever it's name is and then stuff started getting weird as if something wanting to prove to me this planet is created and all life is under the influence of something. A lot of it started out with noticing star alignments with Orion and the star ME ISSA... As in Issa a name for jesus. Something wanted to teach me that it's arranged this reality like a machine. One alignment I noticed early on was that 9/11/01 is the day of the year when MeIssa aligns with the meridian at 7:06am where 7 hours and 6 minutes also equals 6 hours and 66 minutes. 666...

Then I predicted there would be a disaster ln 4/20/10 because of what I was being shown and sure enough deepwater horizon exploded in the gulf of mexico. This was because between that date and 9/11/01 and 3142 days or PI 3142.

anyways if you call out to god and pay attention he speaks to you with your own thoughts. Basically giving ideas so you can find the answers. Either that or I'm an AI and something is feeding me directions so I notice star alignments and other stuff all over the damn place.

Oh like today... there was this woman named Erin Z that I met years ago who always wore purple then green at work. Her facebook is her name followed by a 68 and was born in 87. I was walking for a coffee and a woman in purple was walking with a guy in green. I started thinking of her and sat down on the bench with a coffee then a car pulled up and the license plate was 687. You could think it was coincidence but when you know something is going on with reality and something controlling people you start to feel like living in a simulation where everyone is guided around and dictated by something.

So proof for me is something that demonstates it is manipulating all of reality which is happening to me so as far as I'm concerned something is screwing with my mind and reality to show me how controlled everything is.

that's enough ranting I think ;P
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posted on Nov, 2 2014 @ 11:55 PM
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originally posted by: ChrisB76728
I had a five minute conversation with a psychiatrist and told of some of the things I've witnessed... within 5 minutes he told me I had schizophrenia! That's when I got a camera and started taking pictures of stuff. It doesn't matter though. Once you've been diagnosed by a low brow Canadian they start trying to dictate your life.

Anyways, I asked reality for help and called out to god, satan, or whatever it's name is and then stuff started getting weird as if something wanting to prove to me this planet is created and all life is under the influence of something. A lot of it started out with noticing star alignments with Orion and the star ME ISSA... As in Issa a name for jesus. Something wanted to teach me that it's arranged this reality like a machine. One alignment I noticed early on was that 9/11/01 is the day of the year when MeIssa aligns with the meridian at 7:06am where 7 hours and 6 minutes also equals 6 hours and 66 minutes. 666...

Then I predicted there would be a disaster ln 4/20/10 because of what I was being shown and sure enough deepwater horizon exploded in the gulf of mexico. This was because between that date and 9/11/01 and 3142 days or PI 3142.

anyways if you call out to god and pay attention he speaks to you with your own thoughts. Basically giving ideas so you can find the answers. Either that or I'm an AI and something is feeding me directions so I notice star alignments and other stuff all over the damn place.

Oh like today... there was this woman named Erin Z that I met years ago who always wore purple then green at work. Her facebook is her name followed by a 68 and was born in 87. I was walking for a coffee and a woman in purple was walking with a guy in green. I started thinking of her and sat down on the bench with a coffee then a car pulled up and the license plate was 687. You could think it was coincidence but when you know something is going on with reality and something controlling people you start to feel like living in a simulation where everyone is guided around and dictated by something.

So proof for me is something that demonstates it is manipulating all of reality which is happening to me so as far as I'm concerned something is screwing with my mind and reality to show me how controlled everything is.

that's enough ranting I think ;P


It took me less than 5 minutes to read your post....



posted on Nov, 3 2014 @ 12:04 AM
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a reply to: Tangerine

yeah it was kind of a pointless rant. Didn't feel like going into the pattern stuff too much but I swear there is something out there and it will mess with you if you ask it. I told the doc I heard a voice and saw people disappear and next thing I know i'm having my life ruined even more.



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 06:09 AM
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originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Abednego

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: EaglesFan

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: EaglesFan
a reply to: deadeyedick

How about you show me the human being that created everything inside and outside of the Universe... Solve that before you question the existence of God.


How about you show me a supernatural deity who can create anything.


I can't and I'm happy to admit that.. It depends what you believe God actually is. Some believe a superhuman entity waving his magic wand somewhere, others just the creator of all things with no form/body etc and I am one of those people when it comes to the 2nd one.

Now maybe there is something outside the Universe and the Universe is just the body of God but those are questions that no-one can probably answer.. All I know is that Humans did not create themselves and something did give us the ability to think, speak, listen and the rest... If something can put that into a body then I don't see why there wouldn't be similar in the spiritual realm or body also. We just need to think a bit harder when it comes to this topic, it's all we can really do.


Definitions are part of the problem but I see no point in altering the meaning of a a well-established word. Choose another word. Make up one if you have to.

You're assuming that humans were created and given the ability to think, speak, listen, etc.. There's simply no evidence for that. Of course that need not prevent you from believing it. As you suggest, we can only think a bit harder and, preferably, out of the box.


You want evidence? You are already thinking, speaking and listening. What other evidence you want? Even from a scientific perspective, we humans evolved from an inferior life form, we gain the ability to do all that stuff by seeing, imitating.


I suggest that you get a better education before you expound on things you obviously know little about. That which you think is evidence is wishful thinking. Your reasoning is faulty.


My reasoning is not faulty. I just made a decision based on my own experiences. I've had the same questions as you have had. But I made a decision. My decision is that God exists. I live a life of moral because I believe that there is more beyond this curtain. To not believe in God makes a person an immoral even if he/she live a "good" life, that is to the fact that they think that once you die, that's it, there is no more, you cease to exist.
I'm a skeptical person, all I know is based on what I have learned through the years. And when I talk about this kind of stuff I usually don't let my feelings get in the way of analysis. Because that would make my reasoning faulty.
Wishful thinking - Yes, I have a lot of that, but like I said above. I''ve had my own experiences.

PD: I have a dog!!!




posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 07:28 AM
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originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Abednego

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Abednego

the problem when someone brings up spiritual beings is that the difference between a stray mutt and an omen sent by the gods is pure perception. similarly the difference between a dimension-hopping extraterrestrial with no more contextual significance than a time-traveling government agent is pure perception.

short version being that your spiritual entity might just be a wandering civilian from another dimension and not really any kind of "spiritual representative" or authority. my point is that "spiritual" might just be another word for "i saw this really weird thing the other day and it made me appreciate the universe and its mysteries".

which is a LONG shot from saying "hey i met god".

also...


God is the ALL, HE is the ABSOLUTE, HE can not be divided.


by applying a gender, you have effectively divided god. by saying "the universal manifestation of ultimate being expresses itself as predominantly male" you have excluded what some refer to as the "divine feminine".

way to be promote sexism through spirituality.


I'm well aware of everything you said. And yes, you are right that there is really no way to tell. All is relegated to a personal experience.
As for the use of HE, when referring to the GOD, is not about gender, is in the general use of the word. I'm very fond to the divine feminine aspects.


To claim that HE doesn't reference male is absurd. Put your silly claim to the test. If, as you claim, HE doesn't refer to gender then substitute SHE and claim it doesn't refer to gender.


Generic he[edit]

Further information: He. See also Gender neutrality in English: Pronouns.

The use of he to refer to a person of unknown gender was prescribed by manuals of style and school textbooks from the early 18th century until around the 1960s, an early example of which is Anne Fisher's 1745 grammar book "A New Grammar".[11] Older editions of Fowler also took this view.[12]
The customer brought his purchases to the cashier for checkout.
In a supermarket, anyone can buy anything he needs.
When a customer argues, always agree with him.

This may be compared to usage of the word man for humans in general.
"All men are created equal."
"That's one small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind."
"Man cannot live by bread alone."

Gender-specific pronouns were also prescribed when one might presume that most members of some group are the same gender (although in recent times, such presumptions are seen as offensive).[citation needed]
A secretary should keep her temper in check.
A janitor should respect and listen to his employers.
Every plumber has his own tools.
A nurse must always be kind to her patients.

The use, in formal English, of he, him or his as a gender-neutral pronoun has traditionally been considered grammatically correct.



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 08:29 AM
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originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Abednego
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Remember what I said about the ALL? Hermes Trimegistus said:
God is the ALL, HE is the ABSOLUTE, HE can not be divided. And if HE can not be divided, how do we exist? The answer is simple we exist in HIS mind, we are a product of HIS mind, therefore in the mind He can create anything from nothing.
We were made in HIS image; so we too can create in our minds a whole new world, out of nothing.

Like a Matrix.


Hermes Trismegistus may never have existed; however some things are attributed to him. Among those words attributed to him none mention God. You have manipulated to achieve the result you desire and that is dishonest. "The ALL is MIND. The Universe is Mental" does not say "God" or "He".

"The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding." — The Kybalion.


1.THE ALL must be ALL that REALLY IS. There can be nothing existing outside of THE ALL, else THE ALL would not be THE ALL.

2.THE ALL must be INFINITE, for there is nothing else to define, confine, bound, limit or restrict THE ALL. It must be Infinite in Time, or ETERNAL, — it must have always continuously existed, for there is nothing else to have ever created it, and something can never evolve from nothing, and if it had ever "not been," even for a moment, it would not "be" now, — it must continuously exist forever, for there is nothing to destroy it, and it can never "not-be," even for a moment, because something can never become nothing. It must be Infinite in Space — it must be Everywhere, for there is no place outside of THE ALL — it cannot be otherwise than continuous in Space, without break, cessation, separation, or interruption, for there is nothing to break, separate, or interrupt its continuity, and nothing with which to "fill in the gaps." It must be Infinite in Power, or Absolute, for there is nothing to limit, restrict, restrain, confine, disturb or condition it — it is subject to no other Power, for there is no other Power.

3.THE ALL must be IMMUTABLE, or not subject to change in its real nature, for there is nothing to work changes upon it; nothing into which it could change, nor from which it could have changed. It cannot be added to nor subtracted from; increased nor diminished; nor become greater or lesser in any respect whatsoever. It must have always been, and must always remain, just what it is now — THE ALL — there has never been, is not now, and never will be, anything else into which it can change.

THE ALL being Infinite, Absolute, Eternal and Unchangeable it must follow that anything finite, changeable, fleeting, and conditioned cannot be THE ALL. And as there is Nothing outside of THE ALL, in Reality, then any and all such finite things must be as Nothing in Reality

-- Notice that the use of all is in capital letters. Establishing that THE ALL is something or someone.



posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: Abednego

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Abednego
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Remember what I said about the ALL? Hermes Trimegistus said:
God is the ALL, HE is the ABSOLUTE, HE can not be divided. And if HE can not be divided, how do we exist? The answer is simple we exist in HIS mind, we are a product of HIS mind, therefore in the mind He can create anything from nothing.
We were made in HIS image; so we too can create in our minds a whole new world, out of nothing.

Like a Matrix.


Hermes Trismegistus may never have existed; however some things are attributed to him. Among those words attributed to him none mention God. You have manipulated to achieve the result you desire and that is dishonest. "The ALL is MIND. The Universe is Mental" does not say "God" or "He".

"The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding." — The Kybalion.


1.THE ALL must be ALL that REALLY IS. There can be nothing existing outside of THE ALL, else THE ALL would not be THE ALL.

2.THE ALL must be INFINITE, for there is nothing else to define, confine, bound, limit or restrict THE ALL. It must be Infinite in Time, or ETERNAL, — it must have always continuously existed, for there is nothing else to have ever created it, and something can never evolve from nothing, and if it had ever "not been," even for a moment, it would not "be" now, — it must continuously exist forever, for there is nothing to destroy it, and it can never "not-be," even for a moment, because something can never become nothing. It must be Infinite in Space — it must be Everywhere, for there is no place outside of THE ALL — it cannot be otherwise than continuous in Space, without break, cessation, separation, or interruption, for there is nothing to break, separate, or interrupt its continuity, and nothing with which to "fill in the gaps." It must be Infinite in Power, or Absolute, for there is nothing to limit, restrict, restrain, confine, disturb or condition it — it is subject to no other Power, for there is no other Power.

3.THE ALL must be IMMUTABLE, or not subject to change in its real nature, for there is nothing to work changes upon it; nothing into which it could change, nor from which it could have changed. It cannot be added to nor subtracted from; increased nor diminished; nor become greater or lesser in any respect whatsoever. It must have always been, and must always remain, just what it is now — THE ALL — there has never been, is not now, and never will be, anything else into which it can change.

THE ALL being Infinite, Absolute, Eternal and Unchangeable it must follow that anything finite, changeable, fleeting, and conditioned cannot be THE ALL. And as there is Nothing outside of THE ALL, in Reality, then any and all such finite things must be as Nothing in Reality

-- Notice that the use of all is in capital letters. Establishing that THE ALL is something or someone.


You are quoting me as saying things I did not say. My quote consisted entirely of the following: "Hermes Trismegistus may never have existed: however some things are attributed to him. Among those words attributed to him none mention God. You have manipulated to achieve the result you desire and that is dishonest. 'The ALL is MIND. The Universe is Mental' does not say 'God' or 'He'".

The rest of the post is from you and you continue to attempt to manipulate and have avoided honestly responding to my post and admitting that Hermes Trisgmegistus did not use the words "God" or "He". I have read "The Kybalion". Perhaps you should reread it. Time will tell whether you have the integrity to admit that you distorted the words of Hermes Trisgmegistus to include the words "God" and "He".
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posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 07:31 AM
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originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Abednego

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Abednego
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Remember what I said about the ALL? Hermes Trimegistus said:
God is the ALL, HE is the ABSOLUTE, HE can not be divided. And if HE can not be divided, how do we exist? The answer is simple we exist in HIS mind, we are a product of HIS mind, therefore in the mind He can create anything from nothing.
We were made in HIS image; so we too can create in our minds a whole new world, out of nothing.

Like a Matrix.


Hermes Trismegistus may never have existed; however some things are attributed to him. Among those words attributed to him none mention God. You have manipulated to achieve the result you desire and that is dishonest. "The ALL is MIND. The Universe is Mental" does not say "God" or "He".

"The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding." — The Kybalion.


1.THE ALL must be ALL that REALLY IS. There can be nothing existing outside of THE ALL, else THE ALL would not be THE ALL.

2.THE ALL must be INFINITE, for there is nothing else to define, confine, bound, limit or restrict THE ALL. It must be Infinite in Time, or ETERNAL, — it must have always continuously existed, for there is nothing else to have ever created it, and something can never evolve from nothing, and if it had ever "not been," even for a moment, it would not "be" now, — it must continuously exist forever, for there is nothing to destroy it, and it can never "not-be," even for a moment, because something can never become nothing. It must be Infinite in Space — it must be Everywhere, for there is no place outside of THE ALL — it cannot be otherwise than continuous in Space, without break, cessation, separation, or interruption, for there is nothing to break, separate, or interrupt its continuity, and nothing with which to "fill in the gaps." It must be Infinite in Power, or Absolute, for there is nothing to limit, restrict, restrain, confine, disturb or condition it — it is subject to no other Power, for there is no other Power.

3.THE ALL must be IMMUTABLE, or not subject to change in its real nature, for there is nothing to work changes upon it; nothing into which it could change, nor from which it could have changed. It cannot be added to nor subtracted from; increased nor diminished; nor become greater or lesser in any respect whatsoever. It must have always been, and must always remain, just what it is now — THE ALL — there has never been, is not now, and never will be, anything else into which it can change.

THE ALL being Infinite, Absolute, Eternal and Unchangeable it must follow that anything finite, changeable, fleeting, and conditioned cannot be THE ALL. And as there is Nothing outside of THE ALL, in Reality, then any and all such finite things must be as Nothing in Reality

-- Notice that the use of all is in capital letters. Establishing that THE ALL is something or someone.


You are quoting me as saying things I did not say. My quote consisted entirely of the following: "Hermes Trismegistus may never have existed: however some things are attributed to him. Among those words attributed to him none mention God. You have manipulated to achieve the result you desire and that is dishonest. 'The ALL is MIND. The Universe is Mental' does not say 'God' or 'He'".

The rest of the post is from you and you continue to attempt to manipulate and have avoided honestly responding to my post and admitting that Hermes Trisgmegistus did not use the words "God" or "He". I have read "The Kybalion". Perhaps you should reread it. Time will tell whether you have the integrity to admit that you distorted the words of Hermes Trisgmegistus to include the words "God" and "He".


I did add the word God. But I'm not distorting the words, what is written in the Kybalion is up to interpretation. Like I said before, the use of capital letters in the text imply that Hermes was talking about something bigger than what our mind can understand.

- According to the Kybalion, yes I'm wrong I cannot say God, because as soon as I use the word god, I'm establishing a limit. And HE is LIMITLESS.

You want proof of GOD existence? I surely tell you there is no scientific way of knowing. If that is what you are looking for.
You are looking in the wrong direction, you need to look inside you. I personally believe in the existence of a HIGHER BEING (call it whatever you want), I have had various personal experiences without even trying to (no praying, no meditation, no astral travel), just happen.
In one occasion I was talking a preacher friend of mine, during the conversation he told me to "look out for God". I told him "is useless to look out for God, people loose their time searching for something they won't find. God is already within us, we only need to listen.

Revelation 3:20

Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.



posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 10:25 AM
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the most troubling thing about religion is how we have fought and scrapped and bled and cried and died for hundreds of years for the right to make our own choices and decide our own fates and enjoy the things that make us happy, but look how easy it is to convince us that a hivemind is for our best interests. fight a dictator in life to serve one in afterlife. and make no mistake, thats exactly what a hivemind is. the hive OWNS you. and the queen owns the hive. or in this case, the king. xerxes vs leonidas. and propoganda has morphed jesus from ghandi into that silly persian messenger that got dropped down a well. where the federal reserve and its affiliates are viewed as the corporate shadow council of the worlds political tides, this is the game played on a psychological level.

things were much simpler when all it took was a well-aimed spear to test someones divinity. i guess someone learned from leonidas long before that movie came out.
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posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 05:38 AM
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If I wake up one day and find that none of the following exists, I will believe in an all knowing and all powerful deity.

War
Starvation
Disease
Famine
Drought
Mental illness
Physical deformities
Dead or dying babies
Greed
Lack of empathy
Thievery
Murder
Rape
Adultery
Racism
Hatred
Selfishness
Pain (I'm thinking emotional pain but couldn't God have created us in a form that makes physical pain unnecessary).
Addiction
Jealousy
Cruelty
Slavery
Pedophilia (If God created everything, then he created pedophiles too. That alone sums up our creator's benevolence).

I'm sure there are many more examples of what wouldn't exist if there truly is a perfect being that created us, but do we really need to list any more? ....and if there is a God that created all of these horrible things,..........why the €#&@ would anyone worship it?
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posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 12:00 PM
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An answer is in your post. He does not feel those things or there opposites. We came here to feel and the only way to feel good is to have the opposite feeling of good existing somewhere. It is as simple as the way electricty flows. Everyday when we wake and decide to continue being of the flesh we are choosing to carry on in a system of +- Your best hope is too suffer now and take rest later. Everything of the flesh is bound by duality and finding a place of perfect positive will only happen by there being a place of the opposite.



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 12:06 PM
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Everything of the flesh is bound by duality and finding a place of perfect positive will only happen by there being a place of the opposite.


physicality is duality and spirituality is unity? if that is true then I recommend taking a leaf from greek philosophy and locating a midway between the two. stop choosing sides and learn to balance.



posted on Nov, 6 2014 @ 01:03 PM
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That is not what i wrote. I get that you want to find fault in my words so carry on.



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