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Putin warns Ukraine against implementing EU deal -letter

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posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: victor7

No worries, Russia just seemed to have hit the jackpot :

Russia Discovers Massive Arctic Oil Field Which May Be Larger Than Gulf Of Mexico



For a sense of how big the spoils are we go to another piece by Bloomberg, which tells us that "Universitetskaya, the geological structure being drilled, is the size of the city of Moscow and large enough to contain more than 9 billion barrels, a trove worth more than $900 billion at today’s prices."

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Sure but can Russia access it?

Last I checked the latest sanctions prohibit Russia from obtaining advanced technologies needed to exploit those fields. With the US oil companies removed I don't see how Russia will be able to pull it off to the extent of it being profitable with their current technology.




posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: victor7

Again BRICS I NOT a military alliance.



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 07:55 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

BRICS as an economic alliance is good enough.

Russia is the common factor between China and India.

Russia has specific military treaty with India and if not treaty then similar understanding with China. If Russia is fighting say NATO/US, then China would know who will be next in case Moscow is defeated.

Brazil is not significant militarily.

South African armed forces comprise mainly of British and Dutch in higher and officers levels. Cannot trust them when fighting the Western forces.

Hence Russia, China, India, CSTO, North Korea, Syria, Iran, Cuba and some others make a good informal military alliance.

1 Topol-M costs $10M. Hence $1 Billion gets 100 Topol-Ms to take out 2x, the capitals of Western nations.

A very unwinnable expedition that would be............NOT RECOMMENDED !!




posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 08:10 PM
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a reply to: victor7

BRICS is not a military alliance.
BRICS is not an informal military alliance.

When the Chinese President visited India this last month, China sent military units across the border before his visit and did not remove them until his visit was over with. That's not the act of an ally now is it.

As for Russia and China they have never gotten along as both countries are completely alien to each other. Even their views on the US are not the same. Russia took a bath with their oil agreement with China, where China took advantage of Russia's economic situation to get better prices. Again not the act of an ally.

Russia and China have differing foreign policy goals and they are not compatible with each other.

IF Russia were to start a war with NATO, I would not look for china to be involved. Loosing access to the US and EU markets would collapse the Chinese economy. Russias 140 million people cannot make up the loss of almost 850 million people.


You still are not getting it. Any type of war will result in absolute disaster.



posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

West will not fight with Russia till it has made China an out in open enemy of the Russian Federation. That is NOT happening as Chinese are not fools. Only Moscow and Beijing know what are the terms of their closed door agreements.

Your points on oil deal, Chinese troops issues with India are valid but they do not negate the loose alliance structure between Russia, China and India. On the otherhand, also heard that China will be investing good $100B into Indian economy, so few troops coming across for local drinks in a pub is only a minor issue as such things keep on happening in that part of the world.

What will happen to western economies if they lose China as a 30-40% discount supplier to their industries? These will not only impact western imports but also western exports. Sudden shut off of cheap products from China can throw western economies into depression while Chinese can still be afloat due to internal demands and exports to other nations around the globe.

Any type of war with a nuclear superpower would be a disaster for sure.




posted on Sep, 27 2014 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

They will if they start to invest in it, it will take some time (6-10 years), but then they can do it themselves if needed. And that`s also just in time when they probably will need the revenues.



posted on Sep, 28 2014 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite




Putin at the help - never will.

Hm Where i have seen your talking memo points before?


Sorry for not understanding what you mean. What?


Nice try with that i dont understand what you mean reaction.
Your posts remind me of a certain someone.


I genuinely have no clue what you're talking about, but thanks for elaborating enough for me to understand that you mean you think the words I used in a post are similar to those used by another - who is the certain person?



posted on Sep, 28 2014 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite




I genuinely have no clue what you're talking about, but thanks for elaborating enough for me to understand that you mean you think the words I used in a post are similar to those used by another - who is the certain person?



Don't worry it's just a little problem that he has with certain members that don't fall for the usual BS coming from those who think Putin is god and does nothing wrong.

Welcome to the club...



posted on Sep, 28 2014 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Ah, I see. Thanks for the heads up!



posted on Sep, 28 2014 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: Xcathdra

They will if they start to invest in it, it will take some time (6-10 years), but then they can do it themselves if needed. And that`s also just in time when they probably will need the revenues.


Yeah you missed my point. Russia relied on western technology to gain access to those sites. Without that expertise Russia cannot extract the oil / gas.



posted on Sep, 28 2014 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

It effects to max 25 % of the oil which Russia is pumping up, and if Russia starts to invest and developed those technologies themselves, it takes some investment and between 6-10 years before they can do it themselves.

So Russia can do it themselves given some time and they will have enough revenues of at least 75 % oil constantly. And gas will also be sold. Russia has also other things which let the economy run and they get trade from that too. Russia will feel the pain, but will able to survive despite that setback.



posted on Sep, 28 2014 @ 10:57 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Right but the issue you are ignoring is Russia does not have those techs. Since the sanctions Russia has lost access to the tech and expertise needed.

for Russia to get it going on their own will take sometime - time the Russians don't have.

Secondly - another issue in the BRICS alliance -

India turns to nuclear power - Thorium reactors.

Also, Chinas strategic goal for its own energy is self sufficiency. Another issue for Russia.

edit on 28-9-2014 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 03:54 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
And in the end of your posts, you failed to address the issue of the article -

That Russia is attempting to dictate to Ukraine, a sovereign nation, how to conduct its internal and foreign affairs, and now apparently their economy.

Ukraine is not a sovereign nation. Ukraine does not exist. It ceased existing when the US spent $5 billion to overthrow the democratically elected government by funding NGOs opposed to the government and by supporting armed NAZI thugs (actual NAZIs, not hyperbole). This was in violation of the Budapest Memorandum which was supposed to guarantee the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Crimea voted to join Russia fully in accordance with international law. Donetsk and Lughansk have formed the country of Novorussia. They are not separatists as there is nothing to separate from. The US backed armed thugs to overthrow a legitimate government. They did the same thing in Iraq and Libya. They attempted to do this in Iran in 2009 and failed. They are currently attempting to do this in Syria. Wherever the US is successful in overthrowing a government, the result is a failed state.



posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 05:10 AM
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a reply to: Adaluncatif

Ukraine is in fact a sovereign nation and no amount of deflection will change that. Being Russia occupied Ukraine up to the 90's you should be careful with the "not a sovereign nation" mindset.



posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 05:12 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

If you think the world ends in a few years they don`t have the time. They can keep pumping at least 75 % of what they are now doing and by the time they actual need to use those other fields to start producing they can be ready.

It seems you want so desperately seeing Russia struggle, you will cling on to everything. You actual seem to be obsessed about Putin going down. He probably still will be around for a long time, why waste your time with being so neurotic about it ?



posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 05:20 AM
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Only for a month and after that they are no more, only still on paper...Ukrainian people have been sold out.

Poroshenko: Ukraine-EU association agreement to come into force from November 1



“There will be no return to the past,” Poroshenko said

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November 1 will be the day Ukraine stopped to exist and became just EU !



posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 06:15 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: Xcathdra

Only for a month and after that they are no more, only still on paper...Ukrainian people have been sold out.

Poroshenko: Ukraine-EU association agreement to come into force from November 1



“There will be no return to the past,” Poroshenko said

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November 1 will be the day Ukraine stopped to exist and became just EU !


A country can leave the EU if it desires. Britain might choose to do so very soon. On the other hand, any attempt to leave the Russian Federation is met with violence. Ask Chechniya.



posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 06:17 AM
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a reply to: Adaluncatif

Keep repeating this to yourself. Ignore any fact that contradicts it in any way. You will convince no-one but yourself, but at least you will believe something without having to prove it to yourself.



posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 06:36 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

EU is so democratic, the leaders aren`t even democratically chosen. And when the European Constitution got rejected by the France and Dutch citizens they simply changed in almost the same and implemented it anyways without asking it. They even not dared to try it in other countries after that anymore.

And how about the Catalans wanting to leave an EU member, we can`t have that happen now can we ? So Spain is already trying to block an independence vote to that.

Only in your dreams EU is democratic. If they were to hold an actual referendum under it citizens it wouldn`t even exist anymore.



posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 07:09 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien


EU is so democratic, the leaders aren`t even democratically chosen. And when the European Constitution got rejected by the France and Dutch citizens they simply changed in almost the same and implemented it anyways without asking it. They even not dared to try it in other countries after that anymore.


EU members determine their representation domestically. Each state has a slightly different system of government, so some exert more "top down" authority than others.


And how about the Catalans wanting to leave an EU member, we can`t have that happen now can we ? So Spain is already trying to block an independence vote to that.


That is an internal affair of Spain's. The Spanish government can do what it wants, just as the Ukraiian government can do what it wants.


Only in your dreams EU is democratic. If they were to hold an actual referendum under it citizens it wouldn`t even exist anymore.


Where did I say the EU is democratic? It is a federal republic consisting of separate states, unified chiefly by a single currency regime. You are probably right that a popular referendum would result in a general devolution, but then what would you use for money?



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