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originally posted by: Rex282
originally posted by: TzarChasm
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luke 13 24 "Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able."
so why does hell exist if not to contain the souls of those who didnt make the cut? because remember there are all those homosexuals and witches and atheists and prostitutes and Muslims and all kinds of other people guilty of sins great and small who are supposed to be damned. does damnation have no meaning anymore?
I'm going to answer this question as if you aren't a troll.
The narrow gate/door does not enter into a place called "heaven" that is religious doctrine because there is no "place" called heaven.Man "lives" in their ouranos(translated heaven)…it is their religious carnal mind(the world they perceive by their personal Belief System religion).The Kingdom(which means rule over) of the ouranos is when man is no longer ruled by their religious carnal mind(satan..the adversary..which is NOT an evil powerful spiritual being) .Yahoshua told this only to the disciples because only the disciples ARE the few are chosen that enter into the Kingdom of their ouranos
There is no place called Hell.It is the translation of 4 words:
1Sheol-the grave…the realm of death and imperception
2.Hades-the grave…the realm of death and imperception
3.Gehenna-a place of pagan sacrifice….used metaphorically as the eternal fire which John calls the lake of fire
4.Tartarus-the mythical "pit" for the damned from Greek mythology used once by Peter.
There is no such thing as the "eternal"(infinite) punishment of hell/That is an extrapolation from the scriptures put in the mouth of Yahoshua that is nothing more than the doctrines of men and the most heinous lie ever perpetrated.Those that believe it commit blasphemy and will not be forgiven(which means freed from bondage) in this age(the material physical realm life) nor the next(Hades ….the realm of death).
The imperception of the religious carnal mind is there is a place called heaven and hell.They go to heaven and everyone that doesn't believe as they do and hate goes to hell and they justify it by their Belief System religion and most of them pin the author of that doctrine on the creator God or Yahoshua.
The fact is VERY few will enter into the Kingdom of their ouranos in the material realm and EVERYONE WILL enter into the Kingdom of the creator God.Some (many) of the homosexuals,Muslims,prostitutes and witches that some hate so vehemently will enter in BEFORE those that condemn them.
There is no "qualification for being"saved”.ALL of creation will be saved (delivered). Yahoshua IS the savor.His names means the creator God IS the deliverer because the creator God WILL deliver ALL of mankind(and creation) from the Hades..which means the realm of death and imperception.There are no qualifications for this except "living" in the material/physical realm.
What you are postulating here is either your own religion or that of another theologian but it most certainly is not that of the first century Christians.
As far as the Christian religion, either Jesus Christ was successful in his accomplishments or he wasn't. It seems that most Christians, these days, like to think that Jesus' accomplishments were meager at best, and an almost total failure at worst, seeing how most of the people that most Christians know are bound for Sheol for eternity.
originally posted by: Seede
According to the doctrine of Christ Jesus, the sanctified mankind which were in Sheol have already been delivered from Sheol and now reside with a new celestial body in the celestial city New Jerusalem. From this point on all mankind who are sanctified upon death of their terrestrial body enjoy the very same rewards of everlasting life in the celestial kingdom of heaven.
originally posted by: Seede
Those who were not sanctified are still in Sheol and shall be in Sheol till the last day of this universe's existence. They are then delivered up to eternal destruction in the (literal) lake of ethereal fire. The Sheol of today is only for the non sanctified spirits which are totally conscious entities. Jesus introduced His kingdom of heaven (New Jerusalem) at his death. This is His salvation message and is His doctrine.
originally posted by: Seede
Most bibles use the Greek terminology of Hell to describe the section of Sheol in which the spirits of mankind are restrained in this earth. The first Christians believed that Sheol had as many as seven divisions which contained the spirits of the deceased.They referred this as to the gates of hell.
originally posted by: Seede
. There are so many diversified belief systems that it is a matter of what you want to believe and in all respect for your candor it does not necessarily mean that you are correct. What it does mean, however, is that you believe you are right. In other words this is your theology and nothing more.
originally posted by: Seede
All belief systems, without proof, are theological assumptions and nothing more.
originally posted by: Seede
What you are postulating here is either your own religion or that of another theologian but it most certainly is not that of the first century Christians.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
im not trolling.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
i have been taught for my whole life that there is every possibility i may end up among those "not saved" if i am not diligent.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
why am i told this if everyone is saved regardless?
originally posted by: TzarChasm
why worry at all about things like sin and hell if jesus has rendered them all meaningless? why worry about what is "acceptable" to god if he is going to welcome us into the fold anyway?
originally posted by: FlyersFan
Matthew 21:22 – “You can pray for anything, and if you have faith, you will receive it."
That one always irks me. It simply is not true.
I know many, many people who had total loving faith and prayed for cures or miracles that never came. And I know a lot of self righteous Christians who told those people that they didn't get their cure or miracle because they didn't have enough faith and weren't good enough Christians.