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Originally posted by Gazrok
I think you had been seeing to much T.V. You sir are
starting to sound like Agent Mulder on the X-Files!!
You mean Scully...SHE was the skeptical one...Mulder ALWAYS leapt to the fantastic first...
They'd find a body, completely drained of blood.
Scully: "Obviously the victim was killed then brought here..."
Mulder: "I don't think so...see these punctures on the neck? That's a vampire bite!"
Originally posted by XL5
I wouldn't ever post it on the net, I'd demo it to people and hand out instructions. The internet is too easy to control and it just be one more free energy site on the net and no one would give it any thought.
I think its the only way to change things, since the terrorists already have powerful wepons and free energy is more of a tool anyway. If people saw free energy , they may open up to the posibility of aliens and or the govt/mill may disclose at least some of it.
So when are you going to see them?
It is still amazing that after all these thousands of years of so called ufo sightings, that we have no tangible evidence.
Originally posted by instar
Thats not "tangible" frosty. Thats mathmatical calculation, could be faked!
Originally posted by thelibra
Originally posted by thelibra
Do I think it's visited us yet? Probably not... if so, we'd be toast.
Originally posted by LadyVRealy!? Why is that?..and you are right..some of has had encounters and therefore, while we can't "prove" it, we know. Aaaaanyway...why do you think we would be toast? Doesn't make sense to me.
While, of course, I do leave myself open to the possibility that there have been visitations by aliens in the past, I think it far more likely that there are sentient extra-terrestrial species that, thankfully, have not encountered us yet.
As for why "we would be toast", my answer is based off of the only life forms I am currently well-educated in, Earth Life.
Every animal on Earth needs at least basic resources: food, mates, water, or shelter. From the lowly worm in the dirt, to the fish in the sea, to birds, to humans. And almost all of these animals stake out a territory of their own. The more advanced or specialized the needs, the more likely the chances of staking out the territory. This territory is, almost without fail, brutally defended against others who seek out territory of their own, so that their own needs can be fulfilled. This can be observed from the insect kingdom, to wolf packs, to tribes of monkeys, to human wars over the centuries. Life is inherently both gregarious and xenophobic. There are exceptions, but these exceptions are few and far between in comparison. Xenophobia is the rule. The more advanced the life form, the more xenophobic, because the territorial needs are more as well.
Now imagine how advanced a lifeform that has the capability to travel planets must be. We are quite clever little apes, and we haven't even visited the moon since the 70's. Say a species had the ability to construct ships and man crews that could travel between Pluto and Earth with a craft that is only the size of a house, or smaller. Now imagine how advanced they would have to be to travel between stars. Their resource needs would be almost incomprehensible to us. Their need for territory would like be that of an entire moon or planet.
If they were to discover Earth, this species would care little for the advances of human civilization, except as a nuisance to be dealt with. We would be viewed in the same light as the Aztecs were by the Spanish conquistidors. They had buildings, weapons of war, art, religion, and--racial differences aside--pretty much looked the same as their discoverers... but this did nothing to stop the Spanish from slaughtering these people for nothing more than piles of gold. The technological difference was only a matter of metals, gunpowder, and the ability to cross the ocean. Imagine how uncaring the human race's discoverers would be if the technological difference were the ability to cross the vast reaches of space, or dimensional travel, and a comparatively unlimited energy source for their weapons...
They would see nothing more than a planet, rich with resources, if they bothered to see us at all. Perhaps we would be lucky enough to have nothing they want, and they would pass us by, but I doubt it. They would come, take what they want, and if we offered some token resistance, we would be slaughtered. If we showed enough of a sign of intelligence to catch their attention, we would probably be enslaved, in the same way that ants or humans have enslaved one another, because we would have just enough intelligence to be taught how to serve.
Now, I do leave myself open to the story-book possibility that our discoverers might have the same warm hearts and minds of traders. Meaning that instead of seeing a planet full of resources to be taken by force, they would see an opulent orb to be taken advantage of, and scammed out of any and all interstellar commodities before we knew what they were worth.
For instance, water. We are surrounded by it, it falls from the sky, we have it frozen at both tips of the planet, and is freely wasted on water-park statues and swimming pools. This is not dissimilar to how ancient indigenous cultures treated gold, silver, and precious stones. The Europeans, whom had mastered the crafting of glass, and though it was still slightly a luxury item, could easily offload tons and tons of glass beads to Native Americans in exchange for land, gold, jewels, and just about anything else, because the of the fact that, while glass could be made just about anywhere, precious minerals remained hard to find. Water, on a calm planetary surface with enough temperature range to satisfy nearly any species, a near-lack of tectonic activity, and enough of an atmosphere to block out constant meteors and radiation, would seem a rather difficult thing to find. The only other surface we absolutely know it exists is Titan, a frozen wasteland of a planet. Perhaps this mercantile species decides to trade us something that the rest of the "civilized" galaxy takes for granted (such as clean energy) in exchange for the moon of Titan. They break it down, haul it off with friendly waves, bid their goodbyes, and leave with a galactic fortune on their hands, which could have been ours... and we may not find out until many decades, if not centuries, later when we begin to make contact with other races... perhaps by then we have bargained away our oceans, our lakes... our polar caps... By the time we discover the truth, we are a relatively impoverished species.
Perhaps our first contact is with the galactic equivolent of Nazis, and we decide to join with them in an effort to appear civilized, and join some interplanetary union, where we agree to share our resources for their protection and contact and trade with other stars in that union? And by the time we find out the rest of the galaxy hates them, we might be so entwined as to not care, and be convinced that our side is the right side.
So, my friend, those are our two branches for future contact with aliens, and either way, their only interest in Earth would be as a means to exploit resources or gain territory. With absolutely no frame of reference for the rest of the races in the galaxy, we could easily be conquered without a single shot being fired. And that is why I say "we would be toast."
Originally posted by NeonKnight
On your point about exploiting the Earth for its water, I realize you are using water has an example of the resource that could be chosen by ET.
I just think that would be extremely unlikely.
Originally posted by kiwidesigner
It's true that the level of technology that the Military have developed is WAY ahead of what the general public realise it is but as a Researcher and a person who has had many UFO encounters it's obvious that a portion of what is seen and experienced has zero, nadda, zippo to do with any government. We may be 50 years ahead of what the public think we are when it comes to craft but we certainly aren't 1000's of years ahead Your "explanation" needs to fit "all the facts" otherwise it's just as stupid as a useless as a naive debunker ... if the explanation doesn't fit the facts then it's wrong - plain and simple. The technology I've personally seen during some of my experiences plus the Beings I've seen certainly can't be explained away as purely our own "advanced" technology. I WISH that were true as it would be a nice tidy explanation - but it's far more complex than that.
When you're face to face with something that isn't human - belive me YOU KNOW IT
[edit on 12-12-2004 by intrepid]