Report: The 'Sovereign Citizen Movement' is The Greatest Threat To American Security

I really am loling at all the misinformation and propaganda in this thread.

It is almost amusing.

My grandfather had a horse and buggy.
He used it to sell produce from his farm in town.

He drove that buggy unlicensed, uninsured, without registering it.

He did not need to because he had a right to use the roads under common law.

He did not need to tell anyone how much money he earnt from his produce or how he spent it.
He didn't need to because he had a right to private property under common law.

Between my grandfather's day and my day, these rights have been usurped.
Now if I wish to enjoy these fundamental rights, I must ask permission. I must have my photograph taken, pay money regurlarly, tell the government every little detail they ask, and follow their ever changing arbitrary rules.

In other words I don't have the rights my grandfather enjoyed.

Which begs the question why?
In order to answer why you must discover who?
In order to understand who you must open a history book.

Then you discover that freedom is not an abstract concept. You must be free from something.
In our case it was freedom from the Roman Catholic church who wanted to control every aspect of our lives.
Right down to what we thought about.

Freedom is synonymous with Protestantism.
Protesting the whore of Babylon and her daughters.

I want to live under the same law as my grandfather did and as his forefathers did.
In order to do that I face a very real enemy.
And that enemy is conquering us through the backdoor. Through the law.

Men who enter that field of battle are few and far between. And if you haven't the integrity to do it yourself, please don't malign better men than yourselves. Be grateful and shut the # up.

(The roads were funded by the commonwealth. The wealth of the land owned in common by all men . Income tax was unneccesary because the commonwealth wasn't being hidden and then stolen in his day. Because men self-governed as per the law. Because there wasn't the huge machinery of tyranny we call government these days, to fund. A lot of men are being paid their 30 pieces of silver today. Never in their lives producing anything but tyranny whilst suckling on the oppressors teat cradle to grave. Creating the need for funding that they impose against common law rights at the point of a gun.)

a reply to: isaih

Also from the article:

Police director of operations Waisea Tabakau told Legend FM News in Fiji that the group was being investigated for "allegedly practising sorcery", the Fiji Village website reported.

It's not unusual for more traditional cultures to still maintain beliefs in regards to witchcraft and sorcery. I lived on the Navajo Nation for 7 years and witchcraft accusations against various individuals goes on there to this day. Around the time that these events occurred, paranoia was pretty high in Fiji as the country had recently undergone a military coup. Tumult tends to breed paranoia and heck, that particular police director, Waisea Tabakau, also jailed the reverend of the local Methodist church.

www.solomontimes.com...

Fiji is not the US. If anything, it's quite the nightmare scenario for your specific beliefs as the controlling political party in Fiji is the labour party.

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: xuenchen

Elections in a few weeks folks.

Make the RIGHT choice. Don't vote our freedom away.

And what is the right choice? Last I checked in American politics all you candidates want to sell your freedoms down the toliet.

a reply to: WhiteAlice

Well they aren't denying that they were using a wand and a human skull. They call themselves " the Craft"
Their own books profess that they practice witchcraft.

If you are in a jury and see this evidence, you would say they aren't practising witchcraft?

Why? Because you don't believe in witchcraft, therefore it cannot exist?

Unfortunately masonic witchcraft is never tested by a jury, because so many judges are freemasons themselves.
And people in high places stop due process from revealing it on public record.

As in this case where there's 14 men arrested for witchcraft, but they never stand trial.
Due process is undermined internationally and the alleged criminals whisked off out of the country.



I think the shoot the messenger attack on these people for being a backward race falls short of the mark when you consider these Fijians weren't the ones with wands and human skulls. The white men had them. Who are the superstitious backward ones here?

a reply to: isaih

As the world changes, so must its laws.

Freedom is kind of abstract. Whose freedom? Mine or yours? Who decides?

originally posted by: links234
a reply to: isaih

As the world changes, so must its laws.

Freedom is kind of abstract. Whose freedom? Mine or yours? Who decides?

The war makes the law. The victor decides.
That's a self evident fact.

Unlike your statement "As the world changes, so must its laws. "

Tell that to god. Because protestant countries are founded on the word of god. I don't recall him making changes to his word because communist(catholic) brainwashing and social engineering made the world change.

a reply to: isaih

So, only the God of the Protestants is the correct one? I guess 2/3 of the world has it wrong then...

a reply to: isaih

When my daughter was little, she had a wand but it was a princess fairy wand. Does that mean she practiced witchcraft or sorcery? The skull, I agree, is pretty sketchy and Freemasons are undoubtedly a strange lot. However, that's what religious freedom is about and that is guaranteed in our US Constitution and the first amendment. I could go traipsing down the street wearing a pointed witch's hat, a black cape, a broom, and wand with a cauldron hooked over my shoulder and I wouldn't be arrested. If anything, I'd probably have people suggesting to me that it's not halloween yet.

I never called the Fijian people backwards. That's your words. Don't forget, I did live with a tribe for 7 years and my level of respect for that tribe surpasses most people in this country.

originally posted by: WhiteAlice
a reply to: smithjustinb

The protest depicted had jack to do with "big government".

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which was the point. The picture was a liberal getting sprayed in the face by big government. Its ironic.

It's governmental aspect actually was corporate corruption of said big government and its fruits--the massive bailout that the banks received. Apparently "symbolic" picture for you is anything that you can misrepresent to make it seem like it supports your view. That's not the definition of symbolic.

Your "symbolism" failed to represent what you wanted. Get over it.

You fail to understand because you don't want it to be true.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: smithjustinb

Do you ever watch fox news?
I agree this ed guy is like the bill of MSNBC, but if you can't stand MSNBC then you need to understand that fox news is the other side of that coin. They both are on their far side their respected spectrum of the political scale.

Both sides of the same coin like good vs. evil. The coin is irrelevant.

And nice picture that makes 0 sense btw

It makes perfect sense. Liberals vote for more government and then when they're getting pepper sprayed in the face for breaking "curfew" laws and other liberal nonsense over regulation, they get mad and blame republicans. smh. There's no such thing as liberal logic.

You saying that liberals vote for more government is a half truth. The last time "conservatives" had control they greatly increased the size of the government. Where do you think homeland security came from here's a hint it didn't come from the liberals. It came from the so called conservatives that put everything on a credit card and passed it to the next administration because they didn't want to pay their bills.

Like I said, you can pull examples from any candidate of big government, but everyone knows who the notoriety goes to.

originally posted by: isaih

Witchcraft is used to cast spells over the town. Over people's minds. So as to make people fear police or be too confused to understand the law is being broken.

Dude. Really. You need to come back to reality. It is nice here. We have cookies.

a reply to: isaih

I still don't understand what witchcraft has to do with Militias, Sovereign Citizens, or ISIS?

a reply to: isaih

I have no idea what your talking about? Does this have anything to do with sovereign citizens?

a reply to: smithjustinb

Try typing like a normal person.

Thank you.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: SubTruth
Communism is a progressives dream. They are all oligarchies and is why the founding fathers gave us a republic.

Democracy is the road to socialism.

-Karl Marx

What's wrong with Socialism?

Slow or stopped technological growth, low incentives, low prosperity, high potential for leadership corruption, the absence of the price mechanism to determine how resources should be allocated, the reduction in individual rights and individual sovereignty and the increase of centralized control and remote considerations of individual's needs.

It doesn't work how the world works. Competition exists in nature and capitalism best reflects that better than anything else. People get what they are willing to work for.

Some of the happiest and most well off nations on the planet are Socialist. Look what capitalism has done to this nation. It has run it into a hole we can never climb out of.

We have the largest economy in the world. The US dollar is still the number one, most used currency in the world. We are the world's largest manufacturer, accounting for 1/5th of the world's manufacturing output (and growing). 132 of the fortune 500 are in the US (twice that of any other country). Our GDP ppp is higher than any other country. Our per capita GDP is also doing well and remaining stable. What hole are you referring to?

The only thing running us into a hole are those that wish to change America into something that it has never been.

originally posted by: WhiteAlice
a reply to: smithjustinb

Try typing like a normal person.

Thank you.

I had to spell it out for you and say it slowly since you don't understand.

originally posted by: links234
a reply to: isaih

Freedom is kind of abstract. Whose freedom? Mine or yours? Who decides?

Freedom is power. Knowledge is power. Freedom is knowledge. Whoever has the most knowledge has the most power has the most freedom. Only you can determine your freedom.

a reply to: smithjustinb

Ignoring your purposeful misunderstanding of what a modern socialist nation is...what you just said pretty damn abstract.