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Report: The 'Sovereign Citizen Movement' is The Greatest Threat To American Security

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posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 09:19 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: isaih

So, only the God of the Protestants is the correct one? I guess 2/3 of the world has it wrong then...


More than 2/3rds actually Mushroom.
The point is the war makes the law.
If those who won the war followed the koran. Then the Koran would be the law of the land.
Whether it was true or not is immaterial as far as what law you must obey.




posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: isaih

I still don't understand what witchcraft has to do with Militias, Sovereign Citizens, or ISIS?



Ok you have rights in the law.
But you've never used most of them out of fear of the consequences.
The massess should've noticed the difference between having rights in the law and then not having them.
But they didn't. Because a veil or spell was cast over this using witchcraft.

The idea of enjoying those rights today seem s so bizzare to people because they are bewitched. Literally.
Bewitched to the point of labelling people who don't obey authoritarian government as terrorists.

The soverign citizen is a label used by the government to group individuals under one banner , and then use propaganda to mailgn them.
The next step? probably kill us.


I am not interested in catering to the ignorance of other men. By watering down what is happening or how it was done. So that you might be able to cope with it.
If you believe witchcraft is crazy and impossible that's your self delusion.

I''m not a soverign citizen by the way. I read the law, I understand that legislation tellling me what I can and can't do is unlawful.
And I oppose it.
I read history and understand who is responsible for unlawful government and why , and oppose it as both treason in the earthly sense.
And as an opportunity to stand against the beast, in the big picture.

If you stand up for god's law in court you will soon start beleiving in witchcraft.
I've had all sorts of attacks , owls attacks on 3 different nights in different places. Weirdarse demonic or ghostly stuff happening at home and so on.
None of which I'dve really believed possible prior to making a stand
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posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 09:36 PM
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the true law for freedom was created via the Glorious Revolution of 1688
The true Bill of Rights was written 1688.

True self government is via the courthouse.
Power to every man.
Not through congress or your state legislature.
Your law to live by is the bible. that's freedom your forefathers fought for and won.

Legislature's job is to spend the commonwealth, not tell you what you can and cannot do.

The reason they've overstepped their bounds is because the enemy of freedom which we escaped from centuries ago, has devised a complex scheme to undermine self government. Undermine protestantism.

The reason you cannot see what is so obvious to me and what you label "soverign citizens" is because you are under witchcraft and we are not.

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posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 10:06 PM
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originally posted by: links234
a reply to: smithjustinb

Ignoring your purposeful misunderstanding of what a modern socialist nation is...what you just said pretty damn abstract.



I don't ever purposefully misunderstand something. If my understanding of a modern socialist nation is wrong, then maybe you can show me how what I said is different from the reality.
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posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: isaih

I'm not exactly sure what world you believe we should live in...but I'm pretty sure I don't want to live in it.



posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 10:13 PM
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originally posted by: isaih


The reason you cannot see what is so obvious to me and what you label "soverign citizens" is because you are under witchcraft and we are not.


So are they using cell towers to cast this spell? Or chem trails? or HARRP?
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posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 10:15 PM
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a reply to: links234

I think socialism is communism by stealth.
Communism is a roman catholic (or satanic creation.)

It is treason.

I don't think its worth talking to you as I have never met a socialist with personal intergity.
Nor can I ever expect to.
And hence any attempt an honourable debate is pointless.

Socialists are simply thieves without the courage to jump through somene's window to steal. But join the mob to do it.



posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: links234
a reply to: isaih

I'm not exactly sure what world you believe we should live in...but I'm pretty sure I don't want to live in it.



You'll live in whatever world your socialist leaders tell you to live in.



posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 10:30 PM
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originally posted by: LDragonFire

originally posted by: isaih


The reason you cannot see what is so obvious to me and what you label "soverign citizens" is because you are under witchcraft and we are not.


So are they using cell towers to cast this spell? Or chem trails? or HARRP?


We were born into this, and alot of that stuff you mention hadn't been invented yet.
They conjure spirits or demons and the demons do their bidding.

I dont pretend to have an understanding of demonology. But I do believe its possible that electricity and the laying out of the electrcity grid made demonology more efficient.

The best insight into the big picture of freemasonry I gained was in reading Daemonologie written by King James 1 (vi)
Which you can find for free online. Written just prior to the creation of the masons, which came out of the Templar witchcraft via either the order of the garter/Rosicrucions or Jesuits. and was a reaction to protestantism.

If a king writes a book on such matters, its not a bad idea to read it.



posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 10:38 PM
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See the sovereign movement just doesn't appeal to me.




posted on Sep, 8 2014 @ 11:14 PM
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a reply to: isaih

Okay, you are about as correct as you can get on the last 3/4 of that statement.



posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 12:13 AM
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a reply to: LDragonFire

No one on this thread has come close to explaining the root of this story. Nor why suddenly now.

Some are either hinting, or, deflecting from it. I can't be sure. That is yet to be seen. Sadly, I suspect the latter.

But one thing for sure. None of the supposed people claiming to be Sovereign Citizens on this thread, are. They are mixing some truth, with crazy lies. Witchcraft. Lol.
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posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 12:56 AM
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a reply to: Not Authorized
Soverign citizens is the governments creation.
A propaganda bogeyman like terrorists.
The creation of such a bogeymen is the precursor to violently eliminating people who oppose treason.
And doing it in such a way that the rest of the population doesnt rebel as a result.
They might even support the government's crimes.

There are men that call themselves Soverign citizens in the states of America with their own philosophies, but the original video in question is a propaganda exercise to lump every man who fights unlawful government, under whatever philophy in one basket.
And label that basket - terrorist.

And the creation of a "movement" (movement is Jesuit terminology originally for social engineering campaigns) has included a swathe of disnformation agents on the internet. Who are leading people deliberately down the wrong path.


The basic premise is true of the American states and British Commonwealth countries.
Our countries are being conquered through the backdoor, and we are being held to ransom by unlawful legilsation which violates our common law rights.

And if it is not stopped we will live in totalatarian regimes.


Jerry Kane shooting stinks to high heaven of a false-flag type incident to demonise anyone challenging the treason .
He was a guy who explained to others that mortgages were a fraud. And helped many people from being ripped off by explaining how they were fraudulent, and how to clear themselves of that fraud.

The motives to kill him were high, he was creating a snowball that wouldve wiped out the debt of every mortgage holder in America.

Because he was right.

But as you see in the following propaganda article , that isnt mentioned.
Why?
Why lie? Why hide the truth?
Why insinuate he was a right wing extremist gun nut?
When he was a man who held seminars explaining to people that their mortgages were fraudulent

archive.adl.org...

And this is licensed propaganda which very briefly mentions that he was holding seminars for debt elimination.
Doesn't mention he eliminates bank debt because its fraudulent.

Of course not they have to make spurious insinuations of him being a criminal " Jerry Kane, who had a long history with police,"

What does that mean? Nothing, but of course he cant sue because he's dead. Nor can he enlighten people that their mortgages are a fraud. The bank doesn't lend you a cent.
Which is true by the way, I got out of my mortgage in 2011 by asking them to prove they lent me money.
They couldn;t because they didn't.

Isn't that the real story here?
One of the biggest financial scams in history affecting at least half the population as victims?

No of course not, its about right wing extremist gun nuts with long history with the police , who deserve to be killed.

www.huffingtonpost.com...



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posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 01:14 AM
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a reply to: isaih

Lol. What are you talking about. Again, truth mixed with lies. Amusing. A few key words thrown in for good measure I might add. That helps to foster this idiom.

Special date: 9/2/14

Just a few short days before your join date, I might add.

Smile.

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posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 01:21 AM
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originally posted by: Not Authorized
a reply to: isaih

Lol. What are you talking about. Again, truth mixed with lies. Amusing. A few key words thrown in for good measure I might add.

Special date: 9/2/14

Just a few short days before your join date, I might add.

Smile.


Listen son, I have no idea what your problem is.
Because you talk in riddles.

I guarantee you would not call me a liar in real life. You would turn to water.
Any tween can be an online hero but I'd suggest you go play with your dragon dollies, make yourself useful.



posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 01:28 AM
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a reply to: isaih

I have no problem. I know exactly why this propaganda is coming out now, and it has little to do with your nonsense.

I do like Dragons. They might have flown out of the singularity for all physicists know.




posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 11:03 AM
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originally posted by: isaih

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: isaih

I still don't understand what witchcraft has to do with Militias, Sovereign Citizens, or ISIS?


The soverign citizen is a label used by the government to group individuals under one banner , and then use propaganda to mailgn them.
The next step? probably kill us.

I''m not a soverign citizen by the way. I read the law, I understand that legislation tellling me what I can and can't do is unlawful.
And I oppose it.


Not Authorized--right here in this clip (edited out the excess), Isaih basically states that he is not a sovereign citizen and that is just a label used to group individuals under one banner. Although I'm pretty sure that he stated earlier that he was a sovereign citizen, I think it may be safe to say that he is not necessarily an example of what a sovereign citizen actually is. I would guess that a more reasonable version of a sovereign citizen would be someone who weighs states' rights over federal by a long shot.



posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 11:45 AM
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It seems really strange to me that just a few years ago I heard the Attorney General of our Commonwealth give a speech at the local university in which he asserted that we are all sovereign citizens and that status was what separated our citizens from the rest of the world when the US Constitution was signed. Rather than bowing to a sovereign, he asserted, as has happened prior to 1776, we became the supreme power; no single person had power over life and death under the new rules.



posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: WhiteAlice

Exactly. I think he is here to mislead. I got the impression he was claiming to be one. Very skillfully to make anyone using that word, appear like crackpots i might add.

I did chuckle at the witchcraft claim.

Your definition is much closer to the truth. Some on this thread, would be classified as them. Including you Dragonfire.

This is all related to a certain ruling in 1992 by Justice Scalia. I just hope he has not changed his mind.



posted on Sep, 9 2014 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: diggindirt
It seems really strange to me that just a few years ago I heard the Attorney General of our Commonwealth give a speech at the local university in which he asserted that we are all sovereign citizens and that status was what separated our citizens from the rest of the world when the US Constitution was signed. Rather than bowing to a sovereign, he asserted, as has happened prior to 1776, we became the supreme power; no single person had power over life and death under the new rules.


This would be correct. When the Declaration of Independence was signed, we basically said that we are all sovereign citizens here who bow to no monarch. The president and Congress both are not monarchs but elected officials whose position doesn't hinge on birthright or the seizing of power but through the majority plus 1 election. Just as we have the ability to elect those who represent us, we also have the combined power to dismiss those who fail us (again with that majority plus 1). However, although each of us has our own sovereignty and, as such, we have no monarchy, our Constitution also lays out the groundwork for the creation of federal laws intended to create a generalized "law of the land".

How these federal laws come about typically has not been through arbitrary passage but through one state making a rule that other states find amenable until it becomes nearly uniform in the country to the point at which it becomes suggested via bill to become a federal law (which again, requires Congress to pass and then the President to allow said passage without veto). These days, it's not so simple and a lot of times, stuff gets packed in and more so it's a bit stupid. However, originally that was how it worked and, as such, we all have rules that we must follow as part of that law of the land. It's basically what that majority plus 1 agree is necessary to continue and coexist.

It's not a perfect system. Obviously, lol, but yes, in short, we are sovereign with the power to state who we want to be our leaders and who we don't want. No monarchs with divine right allowed, technically masters of our own fate with the ability to grant power and the ability to take it away. John Locke and social contract was the inspiration behind the Declaration of Independence.

Social Contract




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