The SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ANALYSIS of the events of 9/11.

Dr. Joseph P. Farrell touches on the looting of the treasure in the Philippines, and what it went to funding (secretly). Look him up.

originally posted by: douglas5

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: douglas5

you don't LOSE gold by fire or building collapse....you LOSE gold by someone taking it

And then, there was the gold: $166,770,000,000 worth of gold bullion that went missing from where it was being stored in the basement of the WTC complex, with only $230 million of it recovered, all of that having been stored in Building 4 and found in an abandoned truck, accompanied by an escort of several abandoned cars, which were found in a delivery ramp under Building 5 - apparently, attempting to escape, at a time when not even the firemen knew the skyscrapers were going to collapse. This recovery of a potential gold heist attempt is described chillingly by a rescue worker who feared he'd be shot at the scene.

www.activistpost.com...#!bFfKzw

Nice I never researched the missing gold much, but I did research all other aspects in depth.

I'm posting so I know to come back and read more in the links provided by the op. Nice thread man, there was another thread on here a couple months back which went into incredible depth. I couldn't believe Stewart airport nearby where I used to live was involved.

The American people don't want to know the truth, can't accept it or don't car as long as everything is good in their little bubble. Narcissists and liars are everywhere.

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

Fire trucks, ambulances, and police cars?

I would look at this site that goes into the forgery of those documents, and his arguments are far more compelling.

uniqueexplorer.blogspot.com...

81. Title : Shipment Application 29.500rb
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82. Title : Shipment Application 30.000rb
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83. Title : Shipment Application 31.800rb
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84. Title : Shipment Application 39.000rb
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85. Title : Shipment Application 135.000rb 2
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86. Title : Shipment Application 287.500rb
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87. Title : Signature Sidik Jari Mr.CF
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88. Title : SIGNATURE SIDIK JARI MR.CF.jpg
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89. Title : STATEMENT INTERNATIONAL1
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90. Title : STATEMENT INTERNATIONAL2
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--more--

No need to go on an evidence tour, these documents are literally littered with typos and very crude English texts.
And as I said before, that Republic of Indonesian stamp is heartbreaking stupidity. You nearly feel sorry for the forgers, who must have spend quite some time on these documents.
Especially if you could have seen the originals, as they were laid before me. The gold prints and the weathering of them was in fact very well done.

And then after all that meticulous work, these ridiculous stupid English typos?

But they seem to mirror some original ones, which really were in possession of someone from the inner circles of Soekarno's family and friends.

In fact, it starts to become creepy, when you took the time to read my reddish ORIGINAL FILE link its full text, in my opening post (OP), then you look at these obvious forgeries with some fresh curiosity.

Is it not the perfect time by now, to start debating that much more intriguing text written by that gifted writer?
Part 1 and Part 2, its full of very deep analysis of the state of affairs we have been pushed into.
Against our will and desires.

91. Title : STATEMENT INTERNATIONAL3
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92. Title : STATEMENT INTERNATIONAL4
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93. Title : STATEMENT INTERNATIONAL5
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94. Title : STATEMENT INTERNATIONAL6
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95. Title : STATEMENT INTERNATIONAL7
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96. Title : STATEMENT INTERNATIONAL8
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97. Title : STATEMENT INTERNATIONAL9
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98. Title : STATEMENT INTERNATIONAL10
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99. Title : UBS 1 BANK AGREEMENT
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100. Title : UBS 2 GUARANTEE DEPOSIT
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101. Title : UBS 3 LEGALIZED INTERNATIONAL GUARANTEE
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That's the last Green Hilton treaty file, I am going to post the UBS files tomorrow.

originally posted by: LaBTop
You can't make these papers up the way they did. They MUST have had access to original files, and copied them to forge them at home.
That's the possible spirit of historical truth, shining through the cracks of this obvious deceit.
Is it possible, that the forgers/con-men had previous access to the original Bung Soekarno files?
By means of his personal assistant at that time, Mr. Chaerul Fathollah (As they said he was, which I could not check or find in Indonesian files).

Chaerul Fathollah, living or dead turned up in 2010 at Jakarta, and there he wanted to give a deal of 'the money' away to Indonesia, and even to buy a few Corvettes, (not the road ones, the floaty ones) for the country. So this old scam the Chinese guy wanted to get you interested in, is ongoing... by somebody.
Thing is, this scenario is very much in the Leo/Lee Wanta camp whereas his scam was an approved mission by the USA, and the huge appropriation of money was returned to the US by Wanta after the wrecking of the USSR economy in the Ronald 'Raygun' era. However there were even bigger monies made in carrying out that operation, (so we are told) and all of it is in accounts around the world, including the Swiss banks. I've seen calculations on that money, and with interest, grown to $72/'76 trillion today from the 80's. So, if you go with the flow, Wanta was in no hurry to give the profit back to the US, and it seems has not done so yet, and either is acting morally for those countries involved and to return it to them at some time, or is a crook and possibly still utilizing that money yet to make even more and more money. Wanta is the only man who can repatriate that money to anywhere, either in his own name or the correct pseudonym.
The only one who can make a connection to Wanta's antics back to the era of historical looting that you speak of is G.H.W. Bush, who certainly had the ear of Ronald 'Raygun' and most likely the real source of the original idea.
However there is some digging to do in connecting all the dots.
You could argue that any historical gold looting funded government profiteering while destroying another country's economy, but Wanta's appropriation was $150billion, and huge as that was/is, is not out of the realm of what some governments can do quite normally, but it still is not a disconnect either.
One thing is for sure though, a relatively short time after 9/11 all sorts of crap was going on in the banking industry.

I just finished a search for the terms: 'E. P. Heidner DIA Office of Naval Intelligence'.

This led to a full length book by Heidner available to read for free (much longer than the Collateral Damage article linked in the OP).

It's available as a PDF of 381 pages at the following links here and a Scribd link here.

Another thing that turned up is a piece written by David Guyatt on the same subject:

THE SPOILS OF WAR - The Secret Story of WWII Japanese & Nazi Gold

Haven't looked at them yet so naturally caution is recommended.

a reply to: MurgatroidDIA Office of Naval Intelligence, should be your first clue someone is blowing smoke up your backside. Documents NOT signed by JFK, government org relationships that do not exist Some of you will believe anything.

At least, these (also) false documents are not loaded with typos and crippled English texts :

thrillerauthor.blogspot.nl...

Open the link in a Google Chrome browser and translate from Indonesian to English.
In the page its right column you can click on many more fraud exposure links.

Like this BIG one, that shows all the posts on that website with the label The Green Hilton Agreement :
Click this link

There are some interesting notes in the English texts on those 2 web pages that come up. However, you can't copy the texts.
Thus you have to read them yourself and perhaps type out a comprehensive short description of it.
It gives some intriguing insight in the observation of the minds of most Indonesians today and long ago. And gives some historical background that surrounds that Green Hilton Agreement.
President Soekarno seems to have send some of his diplomats to Washington to negotiate this treaty, and he seemed to have gotten something out of that. What exactly? You have to read yourself.
All the Indonesian presidents after him have tried to unearth the truth behind these treaty-papers, especially his daughter Megawati, when she became president.

I don't think I have to copy/paste the full amount (85) of my UBS BANK REPORTS photos to my ATS upload account. Or does anybody have a valid reason why I should do this and waste another day?

They are mostly (but not all) taken from UBS instruction booklets.
Some of them have printed in them sums of billions of dollars, as the value of the Soekarno assets. I could upload those few, to complete my former uploads.

Murgatroid and smurfy, at last, interaction again between informed members in this deteriorating 9/11 forum.
Those are the kind of posts we were longing for, thank you for the effort!

Smurfy, I have long been fascinated by Leo Wanta, who was sent to Moscow as a US ambassador in the Raygun years.
Btw, good pun-intended name change by you, regarding Star-Wars famed Reagan.(smile).
Is Leo still alive and out of prison?

Murgatroid, a very good find, that e-Book by Heidner !
And that was the website I could not remember the name from, anymore. David Guyatt's one, Deep Black Lies. He was the one that got me interested in Yamas_hita's hidden looted gold treasures on the Philippines. He could not transport them back to the Japanese mainland anymore, because of the total Japanese marine and submarine blockade by the US NAVY and US Air Force at the last stages of W.W. II. So he buried that treasure.

And the men that found most of it, after torturing his stayed behind Adjutant, were all at the roots of the upcoming CIA, and clawed themselves into the most powerful positions in the Banking quagmires.

I thought at first that they kept it for themselves, but it turned out they seemed to have handed over most of it to the various US (shadow? ) governments.
Which used it to finance EVERYTHING they did not want to go through the approval process by Congress. Everything illegal.

Thank you both, again, for a breath of fresh air, in this 9/11 forum.
Let's use this thread to discuss these two masterpieces written by Heidner and Guyatt.
There is so much insight to connect to what happened before, during and after that dreadful day of September 11, 2001.

This is a teaser quote by me, excerpted from that masterpiece written by Heidner :

E. Six groups were involved in the attack on the WTC :
1. The group that initiated the attack most likely consisted of an international network of financial executives representing primarily the Bank of New York, the New York Federal Reserve Bank, Riggs Bank, Deutschebank and the Union Bank of Switzerland (UBS), and should include representatives from Bank Menatep, Swiss-American Bank, Credit Suisse, Investor AB, and Allianz, and their respective subsidiaries and major investment partners. This decision was meant to stop multiple money laundering investigations which would have traced illegal money laundering operations to accounts that held stolen national treasuries. Only a very few of the individuals in this group would have participated in or been knowledgeable of the decision. With a decision being made in 1998, the attack on the WTC was probably delayed until September 11, 2001, to allow the Bush Family and Russian Mafiya to cover the settlement of the fraudulent Durham/Brady Bonds .

2. The group which probably planned and set-up the attack on the World Trade Center was most likely a mix of ------etcetera.

READ IT FURTHER, UNINFORMED MEMBERS !

www.deepblacklies.co.uk...

This is a most comprehensive excerpt from a Deep Black Lies article by David Guyatt, describing how the Banks are on a path to destroy any form of gold bullion backing of national valuta.
And ultimately land at a currency-free society.
In the near future money, as we know it, will cease to exist. In its place there will be "cashless" money in an electronic or digital form. Governments will, consequently, cease to have much of a say in issuing money. The banks will rule unhindered.
As David Guyatt fears.

Yet, the world of money holds many more and darker mysteries still. The most startling of these is that the official figures revealing how much gold exists are fabricated. This, it seems, is because it has been determined that there are two sorts of gold. The "white" gold of the West is mined in small quantities and is used as the basis for official purposes. The "black" gold of the Orient is not official and so cannot be allowed to exist on the books" at all. Such are the massive quantities of black gold in existence that had this singular fact ever been publicly disclosed, the price of gold across the world would have plunged to the depths and remained there forever more.

This has given rise to two distinct markets for gold. There are official markets that are quoted in the financial press and which appear to be open and above board (but, as we have seen, are not). Then there is the black market. Like gold itself the black market has a long and grimy history. Of this, no period is grimier than the Second World War.

Beginning in 1935, Japan set about stripping China of its wealth. This "rape" was extended, with the outbreak of WWII, to include a total of twelve Asian nations. The haul gathered by the Japanese plunder teams was simply beyond belief -- gold in quantities never dreamed of. This was black gold, long hoarded by the Chinese. Also stolen were large quantities of silver, platinum, gemstones and irreplaceable religious artifacts, some made from solid gold and, in some instances, embedded with precious stones.

Much of this was buried in the Philippines between 1943 and 1945. Altogether, there were 172 Imperial Japanese burial sites stuffed full of plunder. One site, designated as a triple seven ("777") held gold and other plunder valued by Japanese accountants at 777 billion yen. At prevailing 1945 exchange rates this equated to 200 billion US dollars. Included was an oil barrel packed full of loose diamonds totaling 150,000 carats. There were dozens of Japanese "triple seven" sites dotted around the Philippines. There were also many "triple nine" troves, too, and a long list of smaller ones. Indonesia also held many equally impressive Japanese treasure troves. In the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos was one of those who set about recovering some of this war loot as soon as the Japanese had left.

Before Marcos, however, the OSS -- the forerunner of the CIA -- had already "involved" themselves. Beginning in 1945, OSS operatives chased off a Japanese Golden Lily team and began helping themselves to a triple seven site. The black market gravy train was thus set in motion. By 1984, CIA covert operative General John Singlaub formed a venture called Nippon Star. Singlaub was working with former Reagan NSC staff member Major General Robert Schweitzer -- the boss of Colonel Oliver North. This "front" company was expressly founded for the purpose of recovering war gold buried on the Philippines. Others who were later to become involved with Nippon Star included former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General John Vessey, and Ray Cline, the former CIA deputy director of operations. After some thought, Singlaub decided that the latter two were too high profile to be included as directors of the company.

Essential to Singlaub’s plans was Bob Curtis. A former confidante of Ferdinand Marcos, Curtis possessed copies of the 172 treasure maps made by Japanese cartographers. These showed locations, stated the values of the booty, and made clear what booby traps protected which sites. In 1986, according to Curtis, the Trilateral Commission chased Marcos from office. Curtis has a copy of a Trilateral Commission letter to back up his allegation. The Trilateral group wanted a large hoard of plundered gold that one of Marcos army battalions had spent years recovering in secret.

But Marcos disagreed. Three days later, Curtis says, he was overthrown. Marcos fled the Philippines and headed for Hawaii, where US government agents ransacked his aircraft and impounded all his confidential papers.

Marcos was a wily person and had taken the opportunity to place copies of his important documents with his mistress. Following Marcos’ death, she handed them over to Curtis, who now boasts an archive of 60,000 documents. Consequently, Curtis can speak with considerable authority of gold-for- coc aine swaps between Marcos and Panama’s Manuel Noriega. Curtis also speaks of gold-for-oil swaps and has discussed with me a series of gold deals for a trillion dollars, each of which involved Baron Krupp of Germany.

Krupp’s involvement in black gold dates back a long way, as did his financial accommodations with Adolf Hitler and his deputy Martin Bormann, who may have survived World War II. The last Baron Krupp died in the mid-eighties and, having fathered no children, the direct family line of German gun makers that once made mighty cannon for the Wehrmacht came to an abrupt end. This is no displeasure to me, nor to a great many others, I suspect. What happened to his fortune, however, remains unknown so far as I can determine, except to say it truly was a spectacular fortune. I am fortunate to have an archive of private documents that were acquired from an entirely different and reliable source from those obtained by Bob Curtis. These include confidential documents signed by the late Baron, a financial statement prepared by his Swiss attorney -- whom he referred to as "Mein Lieber Bruder" (My Dear Brother -- possibly indicating he remained close to the Bormann "Brotherhood" of escaped Nazis) -- along with a listing of some of his many bank accounts plus a multi-billion dollar bank draft drawn on a famous German bank.

These and many other compelling documents, including Swiss bank bullion accounts for infamous former CIA black operative General Edward Lansdale are amongst those reproduced in my book THE SECRET GOLD TREATY that is now available to purchase via www.deepblacklies.co.uk Based on four and a half years of grueling research, my book goes into considerable detail about Marcos' gold, the Japanese "Golden Lily" plunder operation and Nazi plans to create a Fourth Reich -- financed by plundered gold -- under the leadership of Hitler’s deputy, Martin Bormann. It also takes the reader deeply into the shadows of the black gold market, showing who controls it and the chilling plans that are in store for us all.

It is for the reasons outlined above that GATA, the Gold Anti Trust Action Committee, should be supported. They are the only people who are shining a light into the shadows that ordinarily obscure the daily crimes of international bankers and financiers. They do so with some notable success, too, although it has to be admitted that the Meisters of gold and market manipulation still remain resistant to all known strains of honesty and integrity.

As David Guatt says :
This must be a cause for great concern. Even today, someone who has run into the financial brick-wall of having their "credit rating" pulled knows and understands the hardship this can cause. But at least they can still buy bread and a glass of water and essential services to safeguard their existence. In the future, however, there will be the real fear that a loss of someone’s credit rating could amount to a death sentence. No credit rating will mean no access to electronic money and a zero ability to purchase anything. Not food, water, utilities…. Nothing.

The subliminal "control" this will have over every aspect of society will be enormous and the desire to toe the line – whatever it is – will result in the psychological mechanism of self-regulating serfdom.

originally posted by: LaBTop
Smurfy, I have long been fascinated by Leo Wanta, who was sent to Moscow as a US ambassador in the Raygun years.
Btw, good pun-intended name change by you, regarding Star-Wars famed Reagan.(smile).
Is Leo still alive and out of prison?

I gather both, and at the same time

He is on Facebook and some blogs. The link below should be his own website,
wantarevelations.com...

originally posted by: LaBTop
www.deepblacklies.co.uk...

This is a most comprehensive excerpt from a Deep Black Lies article by David Guyatt, describing how the Banks are on a path to destroy any form of gold bullion backing of national valuta.
And ultimately land at a currency-free society.

G.W. Bush's Fait Accompli, "To big to fail" Henry Paulson banker, fresh from Goldman Sachs. A banker from a dodgy crowd coming into a dodgy crowd, and in charge of the US treasury,
en.wikipedia.org...

Paulson was the man who *'persuaded' the American Congress to raise the statutory debt limit in 2007...why? they already had 'some' of Leo Wanta's money in the CIA's Ameritrust. Why was that 'some' not released to the treasury?

* Congress would have known all about Leo Wanta anyway.

originally posted by: douglas5

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: douglas5

you don't LOSE gold by fire or building collapse....you LOSE gold by someone taking it

And then, there was the gold: $166,770,000,000 worth of gold bullion that went missing from where it was being stored in the basement of the WTC complex, with only $230 million of it recovered, all of that having been stored in Building 4 and found in an abandoned truck, accompanied by an escort of several abandoned cars, which were found in a delivery ramp under Building 5 - apparently, attempting to escape, at a time when not even the firemen knew the skyscrapers were going to collapse. This recovery of a potential gold heist attempt is described chillingly by a rescue worker who feared he'd be shot at the scene.

www.activistpost.com...#!bFfKzw

WHY would that be stored below the WTC, seriously it's another 9/11 myth that helps perpetuate the belief that something fishy happened for a bunch of people who cant understand why the buildings collapsed that is the TRUE reality of the situation!!!!

originally posted by: wmd_2008
WHY would that be stored below the WTC, seriously it's another 9/11 myth that helps perpetuate the belief that something fishy happened for a bunch of people who cant understand why the buildings collapsed that is the TRUE reality of the situation!!!!

Well, truthers need silly conspiracy theories made with fake documents like the ones posted here to keep the trutherbucks rolling in. Most people have moved on, but some truthers keep making up silly stories.

a reply to: dagann

Let's see Labtop posts a bunch of documents that he admits are forgeries, another poster mentions the DIA Office of Naval Intelligence. The posts are full of more holes than a pair of fishnet stockings and you think that Hellobruce is the issue?