The SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ANALYSIS of the events of 9/11.

a reply to: douglas5

And another instance of media reports getting mangled by the truth movement. There wasn't a truck full of gold found under the South Tower.

Ask LEE WANTA about this.

www.veteranstoday.com...

originally posted by: douglas5

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: douglas5

you don't LOSE gold by fire or building collapse....you LOSE gold by someone taking it

And then, there was the gold: $166,770,000,000 worth of gold bullion that went missing from where it was being stored in the basement of the WTC complex, with only $230 million of it recovered, all of that having been stored in Building 4 and found in an abandoned truck, accompanied by an escort of several abandoned cars, which were found in a delivery ramp under Building 5 - apparently, attempting to escape, at a time when not even the firemen knew the skyscrapers were going to collapse. This recovery of a potential gold heist attempt is described chillingly by a rescue worker who feared he'd be shot at the scene.

www.activistpost.com...#!bFfKzw

Then there is the need to figure out the double whammy..treble whammy? of, tut tut, all the bank failures from 2008 after giving out all those sooo easy mortgages/money laundering.. cough!
Interesting about the inclusion in the OP's piece about Russia's financial breakdown before the wall came down. And what about the real Leo Wanta? is he still living?

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: douglas5

And another instance of media reports getting mangled by the truth movement. There wasn't a truck full of gold found under the South Tower.

I first heard about the missing gold on a news report on 9/14, when rescue workers looking for survivors found all the vault doors open and empty. I knew then that this was an inside job, because common sense says that terrorists couldn't move that much gold prior to the buildings collapse.
With more people talking about the missing gold, Giuliani reported on 11/1, that some of the gold was recovered. Still over a billion dollars worth was still unaccounted for.

uk.answers.yahoo.com...

Among other things at the WTC, Sonnenfeld saw that the huge vault beneath WTC 6 had been emptied, most likely during the previous night. This information is essential to understand the crater that was found in the U.S. Customs House (WTC 6) during the demolition of the South Tower. It appears to have been a tremendous blast that originated in the sublevel vault of WTC 6. Why? Probably to hide the fact that the vault had been cleaned out the night before.

www.bollyn.com...

life is stranger than movies

a reply to: cavtrooper7


Actually, his real name is Walter Mitty. Paging P.T. Barnum....

a reply to: douglas5

Kurt Sonnenfeld? The former photographer now wanted for murder? You were better off sticking with your first sources. By the way, there are a couple of books out there, written by members of the NYPD, who were involved in the recovery of the gold and silver. You might want to look them up.

a reply to: smurfy

I think he still posts at Veterans today sometimes

Whoops...an addition....

nymag.com...

There was a regularly scheduled transfer in progress that day

"Earlier in the morning, before the attack, an ­armored truck had made its way through an underground tunnel below the World Trade Center. Inside the truck was millions of dollars’ worth of bullion. Through a maze of underground tunnels, the truck had just left a vault in which Comex, the commodities exchange, kept thousands of gold [G2] and silver bars stacked on pallets, a warehouse of megariches beneath the city surface.

The armored truck and the bullion inside were found in the first couple of days of the recovery effort, crushed along with other cars in the subbasement by falling steel; the driver had evidently escaped before the collapse. People thought the gold in the vault might be accessible to looters. But it turned out that the most difficult problem was bringing in electricity to rewire the vault doors. Soon, under the watch of dozens of armed guards, thousands of bars of gold and silver were hauled out of the bi-level 6,000-square-foot vault. All told, there were 379,036 ounces of gold, stacked in 30-pound ingots. There was much more silver, in bars as big as bread loaves, weighing 70 pounds per loaf. Eventually, workers hauled out all 29,942,619 ounces.

All the precious metal under the Towers was accounted for. At one point, as workers were hauling out the treasure, they broke for lunch. There were no tables or chairs. Instead, they ate their meals on stacks of gold bars.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: douglas5

Kurt Sonnenfeld? The former photographer now wanted for murder? You were better off sticking with your first sources. By the way, there are a couple of books out there, written by members of the NYPD, who were involved in the recovery of the gold and silver. You might want to look them up.

Kurt Sonnenfeld released his book El Perseguido (The Persecuted) on May 8, 2009, at the 35th Annual Buenos Aires Book Fair in Argentina, where he lives in exile since 2003. Sonnenfeld's book tells the history of his persecution at the hands of U.S. authorities over the course of more than seven years after his official mission to Ground Zero as FEMA’s videographer ... an experience that turned him into an inconvenient witness. To read more about Sonnenfeld's book, see: "Kurt Sonnenfeld: an inconvenient 9/11 witness" at: www.voltairenet.org...

there does seem a god story there

a reply to: douglas5

Sonnenfeld, is a liar and a murderer. And believing his wild tale, is just one more sad comment on the truther community.

nypost.com...

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: douglas5

Sonnenfeld, is a liar and a murderer. And believing his wild tale, is just one more sad comment on the truther community.

nypost.com...

HE should have stayed and been 1 of these listverse.com...

a reply to: LaBTop

To Put All this into Only One Word I would have to Say, Intriguing!!!
Time allowing, Later on I will look at all the links You've posted.
Thanx for The share! Later, Syx.

originally posted by: douglas5


Kurt Sonnenfeld released his book El Perseguido (The Persecuted) on May 8, 2009, at the 35th Annual Buenos Aires Book Fair in Argentina, where he lives in exile since 2003. Sonnenfeld's book tells the history of his persecution at the hands of U.S. authorities over the course of more than seven years after his official mission to Ground Zero as FEMA’s videographer ... an experience that turned him into an inconvenient witness. To read more about Sonnenfeld's book, see: "Kurt Sonnenfeld: an inconvenient 9/11 witness" at: www.voltairenet.org...

there does seem a god story there

Of course there is, dirt is easy to throw. Same happened to Thomas Drake who did almost the same as Snowden..before Snowden, without actually disclosing anything sensitive other than the message that the NSA was spying on everyone, everywhere illegally. Go and look him up if not already, It's all out there and in the papers even before Snowden. Never mind that both G.W.Bush, and Obama have stated on live television that there was no such spying going in the American homeland when at their respective times, both knew what was going on, while Bush junior pulled the bells and whistles to make sure a long proposed programme was put into action, and continued after some problems.. made sure it continued. Obama had the choice to pull it and he didn't?
Stick to your guns, regards this thread, and keep digging.

a reply to: douglas5

The paranoia you live under must hurt. General Wherley, died in an accident and he was just ONE of the members of the 113th Fighter Wing who was involved in a response to 9/11/01, 99% of them are still alive, I only know of one other member who has died since then that had been on duty that day. The 113th, had just returned from a short deployment, and that Tuesday was going to be the first day back at work for most of them. So, at the point the attacks happened, the 113th did not have a single aircraft ready to fly. They did bust ass and did get three aircraft (2 unarmed, 1 with 500 cannon rounds) launched. They were waiting over DC if Flight 93 had made it that far. (I was with the 113th on its first deployment to Afghanistan, got to know them pretty good, and they had no problems answering questions about that day, and every one of them....hate truthers). Barry Jennings, died under less than mysterious circumstances....and years after his story was out. On a side note, he chastised Dylan Avery for being less than truthful before he died. Then Kenny, the janitor like Willie Rodriguez.....whose dramatic story came up after Rodriguez started getting attention for HIS story....the fifth or sixth edition. It is easy to string together the deaths of people involved in an event and declare a conspiracy......does not mean you are even close to reality.

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

Serving your country can be dangerous think of seal team 6 who got Osama

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: douglas5

And another instance of media reports getting mangled by the truth movement. There wasn't a truck full of gold found under the South Tower.

You keep making unsupported statements against news reports that have since been squashed.

Just keeping track here.

I found that really outstanding "Collateral_Damage_911.pdf" link in this below article, its Comments section :

A comment on "The case of Rob Balsamo", written by Jim Fetzer.

By PAUL LEO FASO ; April 6, 2012 - 7:17 am :
For review, please find the photo studies of Jack White here;

www.911studies.com...

The photographic analysis is extensive and revealing by all accounts.
One item may be not properly identified in the review and that would be the contents under the “Blue Tarp” at the Pentagon. Some have reported it was not secret crash parts, but the field unit for the hazardous clean up tent set up on the lawn during the event which is seen later functioning.
Additionally, the Steve Riskus Pentagon photographs are seen as the first ones produced after the hit and reveal some key elements in the need to further question the “OFFICIAL STORY”.

As stated earlier, the entire photographic record should come under this form of scrutiny and then some.

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John G. :
‘NPT’ makes perfect sense.

The below site opened my mind to the possibility that 9/11 was merely a replay of Apollo: a staged, theatrical event, duping tens and hundreds of millions.

septemberclues.info...
Under ‘F.A.Q.’ on the right, click on ‘The Official TV Archives’
Scroll down and play the video, ‘Synched Out’

The video presents live footage from the morning of 9/11/01, showing that all broadcasts — CNN, ABC, NBC, FOX, local — were of a single feed, with differing backgrounds.

And, the site presents a case, which I find interesting and compelling, that the vast majority of the victims were ‘simulations’. See ‘The Memorial Scams’ and ‘The Vicsim Report.’

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PAUL LEO FASO :
The good Professor (LT : Jim Fetzer) is on the money and is as close as you are going to get without another full blown investigation sequestering all of the video, audio and film evidence held by the government and media.

A full forensic review of everything is in order for all of the facts to be seen.

Those that would dispel this kind of review off hand, are part of the rear guard action to deflect, deny, delay and destroy any attempt to peer into the science behind the deception. The “NO PLANE THEORY IS NOT -THE NO BRAIN THEORY”. It is rather the window into the secrets behind most of the deception.

For further information on the manipulations of 9/11 try these out:

www.bombsinsidewtc.dk...
www.unmask.dk...

Or Google Henrik Melvang for the original unedited video 9/11feeds to Europe and his 1000 hr. work on the government/media manipulations via non linear editing and sound alterations.

Additionally, to just get an idea of the staged media response to 9/11 that day and the people that just happened to be in place for comments and finger pointing – try this:

“NBC SPINS 9/11″

www.goodideacreative.com...

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John G. ; April 2, 2012 - 11:30 am

Thanks for combatting the disinformation, Doc.

I only read here and there on 9/11, but find the case for an inside job and NPT to be compelling. Related, I find the video analysis on this site to be amazing:

septemberclues.info...
Click on ‘ENTER SITE’
On the right side, under ‘F.A.Q.’, click on ‘The Official TV Archives’
Scroll down and click play on the ‘Synched Out’ video

The authors convincingly make the case that the ‘live’ footage on 9/11/01 was from a single, central studio. And, on other parts of their website, they convincingly make the case that the ‘eyewitness’ videos, released much later after 9/11, were fakes, too.

Overall, I think the authors make a most credible case that 9/11 was a replay of the moon landings: a gigantic, staged theatric production.

One last thing: this is staggering, and beggars belief, but their analysis of the victims, under ‘The Memorial Scams’ and ‘The Vicsim Report’, makes a strong case that the actual deaths in NYC and PA may have been low (to none, quite possibly).
Just my submission for your reasoned consideration!

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JOHN LEO FASO :
For your review, the reasons for the 9/11 slight of hand , (really : do follow the included links) :

www.israelshamir.net...

And finally, what to do about it :
www.zerohedge.com...

NPT = The No Planes Theory, which is not exactly what it sounds to the casual reader. Jim Fetzer and Dennis Cimino f.ex. proposed at the Vancouver Hearings that quite some other scenarios than the OS (Official Theory) should be considered, such as remotely controlled planes with depleted uranium wing fronts that made it possible to slice into those exterior steel columns of the Twin Towers. They try to convince us, to open up our minds to many other possible scenarios involving other types of planes, or doctered videos of them, shown on the MSN (Main Stream Networks).

Regarding Jack White's videos online : in my opinion, he made quite some errors in them.
Just as I made some errors in my writings during these long years. But I did indicate them, and corrected them. He did not.

This non-redacting of proven-wrong theories on so many 9/11 websites, blogs and forums, is what makes the study of 9/11 such a quagmire for freshly interested parties.

We should rewrite the whole 9/11 truth finding up to this moment, and indicate especially all these wrong theories drifting around on the Internet, still not sufficiently enough corrected.

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One great example is the Pilots for 9/11 Truth forum and main site.
Balsamo's personal favorites, such as his ACARS main page article ; his Flight 77 departure gate main page article ; his interpretation of the two Roosevelt Roberts interviews as his sole "proof" for his personal AA77 Pentagon-"flyover" pet theory ; the Captain Rusty Aimer flight simulator video with the far too high set airspeeds in that simulated near 360 degrees turn to the Pentagon west wall ; and a few more, are all still up, and not corrected.
They are proved to be totally wrong, in this and other forums.

Dulles Concourse D Gate 26 is proved by me in this forum, to indeed have been the correct departure Gate on 9/11 for flight AA 77 :
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Click my last link in the post for my Gate 26 evidence, and the rest of my text above that link, proves that Rusty Aimer video to be totally wrong.
His ACARS main page article, debunked in this thread : www.abovetopsecret.com... and if you follow the external links in there, you can read the thorough debunk of Balsamo his ACARS main page article at Pf911Truth.

He managed to ban about every second (informed) new member.
Such as for example Jim Fetzer, Dennis Cimino, _BoneZ_, myself and many more. Just search his forums for the word "Troll" and you find all banned members.
He clearly suffers from a "Napoleon Bonaparte" syndrome.

His main page link to his forum, now is :
pilotsfor911truth.org...
Three days ago that main page link lead to :
www.forums.pilotsfor911truth.org...
That past forum-link on his site is now defunct, so older dated external forum links (f.ex. linked by us, from ATS) to it, delivers this default.secureserver.net page. Their way to change links, to avoid personal embarrassments.
They attract more nut-cases every day, see this example :
From their Research forum, an example in it. A sane moderator would ban this kind of nuttier poster, instead of banning everyone who confronts Balsamo and his adorers on his pet theories.

If you're curious why I keep hammering on every 9/11 subject related mistake, error, or proven wrong theory, read my personal reasons here :
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: hellobruce
...the same tired old lies and silly stories that have been debunked many times here before.

The 'official' silly stories have ALSO been debunked many times...

Your credibility, just not seein' it...

As I wrote, I am curious what the skeptics find about those 3 documents.

I have in my possession 53 file photos from the original documents from the Soekarno - John Fitzgerald Kennedy MoU agreement, and 85 UBS file photos from the original UBS documents regarding that agreement between two presidents.

It is my opinion that these documents as laid before me by a person of Chinese descent in 2004, were a crude attempt to try to persuade me into investing in a deliberate scam to steal huge sums of money from me and my associates.
I managed to convince that Chinese person of the crude typos in many of the documents. And the South East Asian style, in which style some of the English texts were typed out with.
An official text would be typed out, much different than that, by real Union Bank Suisse personnel...


The only thing that kept me intrigued however, was the question that came up to me about the origin of any real source files that must have been used by the forgers, to construct their forged files.

You can't make these papers up the way they did. They MUST have had access to original files, and copied them to forge them at home.
That's the possible spirit of historical truth, shining through the cracks of this obvious deceit.

It appeared to me that a few of those documents could be copies of original ones, specifically the ones that were NOT stamped with that Indonesian seal with the text :
"Republic of Indonesian"
A crude mistake, it should be "Indonesia".
Or did they mean to express their feelings in the form of cutting that stamp-forgery as "Republic of Indonesians" ?

cardinalfan0596, You think there are two obvious errors in the first one I posted.
Do you mean the date of 1965 also mentioned on it in the middle, while the date under it was 14th November 1963. ?

I am going to upload all 138 file photos to my ATS Conspiracies folder, in my Uploaded photos account, so you all can make up your mind about my following line of thought :

Is it possible, that the forgers/con-men had previous access to the original Bung Soekarno files?
By means of his personal assistant at that time, Mr. Chaerul Fathollah (As they said he was, which I could not check or find in Indonesian files).