The Onesided Destruction of Christianity in America

I think the reason people hate Christianity and attack it is because of ignorance. They think every Christian is the same from the other. The majority of Christians have warped views of the bible which leads them to get involved in politics, war and love for money. There is nothing wrong with Christianity in reality. Just something wrong when humans decide to use it to kill others. New generations coming up like to do things there way and don't want to be told what to do. That's why agnostism and atheism are becoming prime beliefs. It frees the people of moral obligations and allows them to have a clean conscience to do anything they want without feeling guilty. They will deny it, but when it comes down to it, I bet you will find something they do in their lives they are ashamed of. Which they shouldn't, they should just own it, not make up false beliefs and run from the reality. Atheism is rooted in evolution which is rooted in the false belief that life can spontaneously generate from non-living matter. As basic science and biology and logic shows, I order to make life there must either be two-parents(humans/animals/plants) or a source that is already living. Its interesting too that instead of humans becoming stronger and better, that in fact more diseases and shorter life-spans are starting to occur. Rather than their bodies "evolving" to diet and lack of exercise, kidneys livers and hearts shut down. Kids are born with more health problems based on there preceding parents. Shouldn't it be opposite? Oh yeah, people say,"evolution occurs over thousands of years with transitions," that's really not even a provable theory. Missing links have still never been found, and when it comes down to 'where we originated from,' people forget that living matter cannot spawn from non-living matter. Scientific fact of Louis Pasteur. Thanks goodnight my little nihilistic generations.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

a reply to: ChesterJohn

My god, I've never heard such a bunch of whiny, paranoid, playing-the-victim, sanctimonious, overblown crybaby horse# in my life.

Here, allow me to summarize the OP and like minded christian posters in this thread -

ITT :

a reply to: ReturnofTheSonOfNothing

My god, I've never heard such a bunch of whiny, paranoid, playing-the-victim, sanctimonious, overblown crybaby horse# in my life. Here, allow me to summarize the OP and like minded christian posters in this thread - ITT :

You proved the OP's point and very well I might add. Your hatred for Christians speaks great wisdom.

originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: lonweld

Oh, and then there's the crusades. I could list hundreds of thousands of articles that contradict what you are saying, but there's no need because everyone knows the Christians are the worst at pushing their beliefs onto others. Why don't you look in a mirror before you start to get angry at others for the exact same thing your "group" does. Pretty hypocritical IMO.

Wow what a hate filled rant. Christians are the worst? Do they cut throats and chop heads? Are they the ones who bomb, torture and murder each and every day? And yet you chose to cite thousand years old history to somehow connect that history in vindication of the murderers of today. Which of the crusades do you reference in your apologetic rant to excuse barbaric murderers of today? Wow----

I don't usually get into these sort of discussions since it's sort of hard to be heard when you are talking to people with their heads in the sand... Not usually worth the headache! That being said, there are some points I'd like to make...

1. I don't really see where Lonweld was being hateful, especially in the part you quoted. It looks more like you got angry or being told to look to yourself for possible hypocrisy before you argue with and get mad at others.

2. Sure, maybe Christians aren't the worst... but this is coming from someone who doesn't care much for any religion, as I see them as distracting at best and obfuscating if not downright harmful at worst. I was raised Christian and have had to do entirely too much "reprogramming" on myself to undo the bs I had been fed my whole life. It is even more detrimental that this is accomplished by putting fear into the hearts of children and making them believe what the bible says at an age where they are too young to be deciding such things.

3. No you don't usually hear as much about Christians murdering each other.. that would get in the way of them murdering others. Exactly how many people have been killed by our mostly Christian army this year alone? How many are being held and tortured by "good Christian people" that just happen to be interrogators working for the military or government? Don't even get me started on how many murderers have done what they did because they had warped minds from having to bend their thoughts around the bible to make it fit with reality.

4. Okay, this next point actually made me laugh, deeply. Did you type the part about someone clinging onto the past with a straight face? If so then I really hope that you DO take Lonwelds suggestion to heart and examine your thoughts and beliefs. Yes, he brought up a real thing that Christians did well into the past, the crusades. How can you fault someone for bringing up a logical point, about something that actually happened, and then say it doesn't have validity because of how much time has gone by? Should I give nazis a pass because the holocaust happened before I even existed? Speaking of which, what religion do you think most of the nazi soldiers were? I'll give you a hint, it starts with "c" and ends... poorly. How long ago do you Christians claim the bible was written? Shouldn't that invalidate your own belief, seeing as that book is even older than the crusades?

I really must wonder if you even know what the word "hypocrisy" means.

eta an "f" because this keyboard actually IS the worst!

originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: ReturnofTheSonOfNothing

My god, I've never heard such a bunch of whiny, paranoid, playing-the-victim, sanctimonious, overblown crybaby horse# in my life. Here, allow me to summarize the OP and like minded christian posters in this thread - ITT :

You proved the OP's point and very well I might add. Your hatred for Christians speaks great wisdom.

my 2 cents....when the OP says that I'm un-American if I do not believe in Christianity, that's when I question his mental stability....atheists by and large, want to be left alone, and NOT have religious interference from holy book thumpers, regardless of what mythical being they believe in....forcing your religion by trying to ban same-sex marriage is exactly the type of crap I'm talking about.....

a reply to: boneoracle

Text I really must wonder if you even know what the word "hypocrisy" means. eta an "f" because this keyboard actually IS the worst!

I read your rant in clubbing Christianity and it proves the OP's point all the more. Being the spokes person for lonweld I invite you to point out any false statements in my post.

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Exactly how many people have been killed by our mostly Christian army this year alone?
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Suppose you tell me. After all it was your post. How many people were killed since the Crusades by both Muslim and or Christian? Have any idea? Give statistics of both sides of the issue and not one side as you have favored. Since you favor reaching back to the Crusades please give me the facts of who started the killing spree between Muslim and Christian.

In fact I do not believe that you or your defendant realizes that there were seven major Catholic Crusades between 1096 CE to 1291 CE. Not Christianity as of today in reference to the protestant reformation of Martin Luther (1483-1546 C.E.)

You do understand how silly it is to reference people from 1096 to people of 2015 when in fact Protestant Christianity had not even existed in 1096. If you and your colleague were near to honest you would not even try to work the ATS clubbers with falsehoods and twisted half truths. The truth of the entire matter is that the entire Crusades were the Roman Catholic Church against the Saracens (known today as the Muslims or Islam) and not the Christian people of this Republic. You actually do not even know what you are talking about. It is not only silly but stupid to even reference such a comparison. You sound exactly like the POTUS who cited the very same tripe to the world with the very same misinformation as you spew.

a reply to: jimmyx

my 2 cents....when the OP says that I'm un-American if I do not believe in Christianity, that's when I question his mental stability....atheists by and large, want to be left alone, and NOT have religious interference from holy book thumpers, regardless of what mythical being they believe in....forcing your religion by trying to ban same-sex marriage is exactly the type of crap I'm talking about.....

This forum is a religious forum and bible thumpers are religion. In that light I believe you have the wrong forum if you wish to be left alone. This is a forum and no one forces another to partake. It's real simple. If you want to be left alone then don't tune in.

Abusing anyone with unfounded hate is Un American as well as inhuman. Same sex marriage is a behavior problem between the do and don't crowd. You may question the op's mental stability, that is your prerogative, and in turn he may also question your mental stability, that is his prerogative. You have the advantage here on ATS as you well know by your stars.

a reply to: Seede

To be quite honest I do not have the exact figures of who killed whom, even in regards to the "how many people have been killed by our mostly Christian army this year alone?" question. It was meant to be more rhetorical to maybe get a point across, as was me bringing up the crusades. You honestly don't see the comparison I was making to you saying that it makes no sense to compare things that happened so long ago with the happenings of today, and the fact that Christians follow a book that is older than the crusades? And I will cede your point, yeah, the crusades weren't fought by the Protestants. Noo, they decided to come over and enslave my ancestors en masse, when they didn't outright kill them for being viewed as less than people because they were different and believed different things. Such an improvement, those protestants! Shall we delve into the Salem trials as well? I think not, as this discussion is broad enough as is, and the examples that can be brought to bear against Christian are many, no matter how many hairs you decide to split.

As for your question about how many were killed since the crusades, both Christian and Muslim, that is quite frankly, an ignorant question. No one knows, nor can know. Some may be able to give an estimate, but that is at best guesswork built upon what facts we actually have... Its not like there has been a running tally that automatically goes up every time someone of faith is killed.

And yes, I did say things about the crusades, since I was REPLYING to your comment, which mentions the crusades, and once again, was trying to make you see that just because something happened 10, 20, or a thousand years ago, it can still have an impact today, despite your insistence that it doesn't (which I still don't get... how can the bible be relevant if it's older than the things you say aren't relevant because it happened so long ago??). It's not like the protestants dropped all the hate and killing, as you would seem to like to imply; they just kept on keeping on, building on the steps that were already there. Oh and BTW there were more than just the 7 (or 8, depending on whom you ask) crusades, just f.y.i., and there was plenty of back and forth aggression between both the Christians and the Muslims. I don't personally know who started the thing, because I wasn't there, and neither were you, but I can tell you that it wouldn't have happened if both faiths had never existed.

Oh and good job doing cut and paste from wikipedia to try and make yourself feel smarter on the internet meanwhile trying to belittle others for their opinion being different than yours... oh wait that sounds familiar from someplace. Anyhow, maybe you should get a gold star for your non effort, maybe even a cookie!

Oh and one more thing... I will let you know next time I need a haircut, since you are so very good at splitting hairs...

*sorry this was a rushed response, about to go get some curry*

a reply to: boneoracle

mostly christian army? wait. proof they are mostly christian, if you don't mind.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

ages of precession:

the bull worshippers were killed (see the angel of death in egypt and the bull worshippers out in the desert in exodus).
end of age of taurus (the bull).

the sheep herders were killed (see the genocide of the jews 70 AD and the scattering of the remnant).
end of age of aries (the ram (male sheep).

the fish people are being killed (see the genocide of christians all over the world).
end of age of pisces (the fish).

some high ranking occultic practice that reboots the planet and the populace, essentially sacrifices large groups of a selected religion, and takes all their stuff (see the exodus, as the israelites (hyksos) were leaving egypt, that took much of the bull worshipper's stuff.

next up (following the fish people fiasco) is the age of aquarius, yet another religion will take center stage and be massacred at the end of the age of aquarius.


kinda reminds me of this

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: boneoracle

mostly christian army? wait. proof they are mostly christian, if you don't mind.

Well, I was speaking from personal experience from when I was both Christian as well as when I was in the Army ( I was a 31U in case you were wondering, signal support systems specialist). I got out just before Bush came into office, and did not re-up because they wanted me to be an interrogator. I am glad that I did not go back, since I am not sure I could have lived with what they would have wanted me to do post 9/11, despite how I may have felt at the time. Shortly after I left the military I traveled the US and Canada, to do some soul searching... and as it so turns out, I don't believe in souls .

If my personal account isn't enough for you there are compiled works of others that run a sort of tab on this kind of thing (and most soldiers were marked as Christian by the dog tags I saw as well). An example for you:

secular.org...

And another, with the source being the US DOD:

ac360.blogs.cnn.com...

Have a good one!

a reply to: boneoracle

well then if this is mostly a christian nation, why don't our laws reflect that?

I would imagine that it has to do with the people who founded this country wanting to do something different than the rule of kings that had come before, which was backed by "divine right." There have been efforts to separate religion from matters of state, in order to curtail abuse of power as well, and rightly so. Even though they may have been Christian, they still were wise enough to put down a framework that would give more equal rights to people as a whole.

That being said, it was mostly to support their own beliefs from being attacked by... other Christians. They still left in things that were okay by biblical standards that should not have been included. For example, you would think such forward thinking people would have abolished slavery, seeing as how they were oh so oppressed themselves by England. Who knows, without the influence of Christianity and religions in general, which further divided people into groups of "believers" and "heathens that are not to be considered people," we probably would not have a lot of the issues we have today in regards to different races.

a reply to: undo

originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: ReturnofTheSonOfNothing
You proved the OP's point and very well I might add. Your hatred for Christians speaks great wisdom.

Nonsense of course, but your paranoid attempt to continue playing the victim here proves mine if anything; I don't hate anyone. I don't hate christians, muslims or jews, but I do hate stupid religious dogma and the overwhelmingly negative effect it has on our society, and I have little time for loud self-obsessed and entitled crybabies like yourself and the OP.

a reply to: boneoracle

that doesn't explain how we have a country for and by the people that was not for and by the people (if indeed the country is mostly christian) but it certainly blames the people every chance it gets.



loving your neighbor as yourself, pretty much solved that problem 2000 years ago.

originally posted by: ReturnofTheSonOfNothing

originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: ReturnofTheSonOfNothing
You proved the OP's point and very well I might add. Your hatred for Christians speaks great wisdom.

Nonsense of course, but your paranoid attempt to continue playing the victim here proves mine if anything; I don't hate anyone. I don't hate christians, muslims or jews, but I do hate stupid religious dogma and the overwhelmingly negative effect it has on our society, and I have little time for loud self-obsessed and entitled crybabies like yourself and the OP.

what's your world view?

a reply to: grandmakdw

This says to ISIS Christians need to go they damage our society, other countries and our planet.

So then ISIS thinks even the people in the West think that if one is a Christian they must "go" even their small children "need to go"

You actually blame people who say that Christianity needs to go for ISIS killing Christians?

*shakes my head*

Anyway it wouldn't matter what people say, ISIS WILL still kill people anyway.

a reply to: lonweld

Didn't the Crusades happen AFTER a muslm invasion?

originally posted by: undo

what's your world view?

Obscured by a florist's van at the moment..

a reply to: boneoracle

And yes, I did say things about the crusades, since I was REPLYING to your comment, which mentions the crusades, and once again, was trying to make you see that just because something happened 10, 20, or a thousand years ago, it can still have an impact today, despite your insistence that it doesn't (which I still don't get.

You are lost. You have not comprehended your very own rants. It was not me that first remarked about the Crusades. It was your friend lonweld who first brought it to the front. It was then that I remarked that it was of no consequence to compare something that never existed to something that now exists. In this event it was the Crusades of which I did not need Wikipedia. I have my own library which I use daily.

So you believe it is justified to charge one event which never existed by actions of another from a thousand years earlier. What more can be said with that mentality? By that reasoning then you yourself could be guilty of untold crimes against humanity and perhaps should be punished by the actions that you never committed. Makes good logical sense to you but not to me.

I don't personally know who started the thing, because I wasn't there, and neither were you, but I can tell you that it wouldn't have happened if both faiths had never existed.

I do agree with that statement. "It would never have happened if both faiths had never existed." Yes that does make sense and is clear logic. Now as far as knowing who started what you will need a good in depth library to make a rational decision and it would then entail which literature you use for your library. That bolsters my point exactly.

Which literature do you use to believe that Catholic Crusaders from a thousand years ago were the only Christians in existence at that time? Are you certain that Jewish Christians were not in existence at this time in history? I have literature that is written that they most certainly were in existence at the time of the Crusades. So then they are also guilty of this 100 years war of which they did not partake. That is by your logic the Jews are guilty simply because they were Christian at that time as well as the Christian Jews are guilty today for acts that they did not commit one thousand years ago.

You can see just how far this logic can reach and exactly how foolish it is. We can then bring other tribes and nations into this mix as well. Where does it end? Or does it end? Would it have been wiser to simply name the Crusaders as Roman Catholics instead of painting all Christendom as the evil doers of history? No it would not according to lonweld. It would destroy his rant of how evil Christianity was. If one tells a lie often enough it then becomes his truth but it does not change the lie into a truth.