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originally posted by: MALBOSIA
Israeli targets INCLUDE women and children.
It is moot anyway. Avoiding innocent casualties is written in the International laws for rules of engagement. Israel has agreed to no such rules so there are no laws broken. These laws are adopted or written to help avoid the public protests and a sign that the nation is a legitimate, law abiding nation. Since Israel has no chance of ever being considered legitimate by the majority of the world, they really have nothing to lose. I don't know why they waste their time trying to convince the world they are just. They don't care either way.
originally posted by: Danbones
originally posted by: MALBOSIA
Israeli targets INCLUDE women and children.
It is moot anyway. Avoiding innocent casualties is written in the International laws for rules of engagement. Israel has agreed to no such rules so there are no laws broken. These laws are adopted or written to help avoid the public protests and a sign that the nation is a legitimate, law abiding nation. Since Israel has no chance of ever being considered legitimate by the majority of the world, they really have nothing to lose. I don't know why they waste their time trying to convince the world they are just. They don't care either way.
Israel is a signer of the Geneva convention
en.wikipedia.org...
re Palistien - war and occupation
www.cjpmo.org...
ZION had every chance of being accepted by the world community
they blew all chance of that them selves...for all Jews too possibly not just them selves and their Christian and santanist cohorts
as they have everywhere they seen to have infiltrated in the last 2000 years
now, why is that everyone elses' fault I wonder?
originally posted by: MALBOSIA
The only defence from pro-israel when I present this case is "what would you do" and "how would you like it."
That might be the case, if source article them selves didn't change. Check this post. Also points why some are more targeted, but nevertheless points that civilians ARE targeted, numbers show it all...Denial much, are we??
I don't know what still needs to be debated here. The OP is trying to statistical data to prove intent.
Israel's only defence has been that Hamas is using civilians as human shields.
By Israel's own admission, they are including civilians in their targets. Charles use of stats is nothing but obfuscation from the fact that Israel has no concern for the safety of Gaza civilians since Israel knew they were there and fired anyway.
The only defence from pro-israel when I present this case is "what would you do" and "how would you like it." They simply cannot deny that Israel is attacking with complete disregard for the lives of those that ARE NOT firing rockets.
Again, the facts show that Israel is not attacking in the manner you claim.
They hate Israel because it's the one standing up to the bully, and the world is ashamed that they haven't the nerve to do it themselves.
originally posted by: MALBOSIA
I don't know what still needs to be debated here. The OP is trying to statistical data to prove intent.
And the point that the OP is trying to make ("Isreal is not targeting women & children" cannot be either proven or disproved based on causuality numbers. The point speaks to 'intent'. Not only that but he is trying to prove a negative which can be disproved by showing only one example of the opposite.
Not only that but he is trying to prove a negative which can be disproved by showing only one example of the opposite.
In each case, a number of Muslims move into an area of the country and continue to immigrate and have children until there is a majority, or substantial minority, in that one area. It is then announced that Sharia, in one form or another will be enforced in that area and the police are not welcome. That area continues to grow with new immigrants until they gain political or military power. Eventually they gain control of the nation or a recognized part of it.
I have said that they will use serious force to protect it's people, it's land, and it's recognition as a state.
originally posted by: charles1952
And being pretty darn successful at it, if you don't mind my crowing a bit. Israel has hit buildings and open spaces. As Hamas saw fit to build cross border tunnels instead of shelters, everyone in the country is a theoretical victim. If Israel didn't care where it's shells went, the male vs. female casualty percentages would be about 50 - 50. Actually the ratio is closer to 3 - 1.
Defense for what? That civilians are dying in strikes on military targets, after being told to run for it? Israel doesn't need a defense for that.
It seems you have that backwards. The stats show that Israel is concerned for the safety of Gazan civilians.
Again, the facts show that Israel is not attacking in the manner you claim.
I am pretty sure you have seen the videos of Hamas firing rockets from next to a school and next to a hospital.
I am not privy to the IDF's targeting practices, but one would expect that they would target the area the launched missiles were fired from and return fire to that same location. That would be targeting Hamas, no?
The statistics, based on the OP's analysis show that women and children are not targeted or the numbers would be higher. If you wish to argue that point, then just use the numbers and debunk the conclusions.
originally posted by: bbracken677
Malbosia seems to be trying to excuse what Hamas and others do, because of what Israel has done.
Yes, and yet, IDF killed more civilians than Hamas in doing so. Ineptitude at its finest or callousness can only be the cause of such atrocity.