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originally posted by: MALBOSIA
Sure buddy. What I am not trying to do, is sit silently while a population of people get tormented and bullied off their own property.
And, as I posted a couple of times before, but nobody answers the question: Should Israel allow Hamas to fire these missiles into Israel with impunity?
You still have not addressed the stats, except for merely stating that if they (Israel) were not targeting women and children the numbers would be lower. Address the numbers from the OP in light of the question above and the fact that Hamas is firing their missiles from schools and hospitals, or next to them.
The fact is, war is hell and civilians die. Funny how the US and Israel are the only countries/people that are held responsible for civilian deaths. Everyone else who kills civilians are given a virtual pass.
Has there been an uproar at anytime when Hamas killed civilians? What about Hezbollah? What about Syria? What about any nation in the Middle East? What about any nation in Africa? What about any other nation in the world?
Don't get me wrong. I would prefer there not be war. I would prefer there not be crime, greed, murder, etc etc. I grew up during the peace/love movement... Not only have we not lived up to our potential, but it seems we have gotten worse. I went to a candle light vigil the night Lennon was killed (or was it the next night). There was a time I believed we could give peace a chance.
I no longer believe that.
I have stated many times that Hamas firing rockets into Israel is wrong. Yet, that does not give the IDF an excuse in the callous killing of civilians...
"the IDF are callously killing civilians"
"the callous killing committed by the IDF is not one of those ways of defence"
"Anybody with a moral compass will agree...that how Israel has gone about defending itself is wrong"
"I care about discussing the fact that innocent civilians have died at a disproportionately high rate in the past few weeks and if that were not true then the numbers would be lower."
originally posted by: SuperFrog
originally posted by: Humanity4Ever
a reply to: SuperFrog
It was left wing in 2005 when Israel handed over control of Gaza to Fatah and relinquished additional territory by forcefully removing 40,000 jewish settlers.
That approach worked out really well.
You know those territory are unlawfully occupied - do you?
Those settlements were built on land that does not belongs to them and whole world still condemns current Israel government on CONTINUING of building on occupied territory.
Just imagine world outcry if USA started building USA cities in Iraq or Afghanistan, if you unable to understand what occupied really means.
Sitting in a...safe house...across the globe...kinda makes it easy to discuss "fair play" and "innocent civilians"... But...if it were Your neighborhood/city being attacked...by a group that had/has vowed to erase the memory of your name & family from every volume of the history of this planet...do you think you'd look at your city administrators, saying - "Be Nice... Some of them don't mean it... It's only a few of them that are really bad... "Ooooops - my mom and dad were in that house... "Well ---- I don't care... I am a humanist that has progressed beyond the fallible belief that my family is any more important than ANYONE-ELSE... ...
originally posted by: Britguy
...A long winded post, that really doesn't get around the FACT that the IDF (defence? My arse!) deliberately targets unarmed civilians. Hell, they even like to go on Facebook, Instagram and other social media sites boasting about it!
originally posted by: charles1952
Look nearly anywhere in the world: Cyprus; several countries in Africa; Dearborn, Michigan; parts of France, Germany, England, The Netherlands; the list is lengthy.
In each case, a number of Muslims move into an area of the country and continue to immigrate and have children until there is a majority, or substantial minority, in that one area. It is then announced that Sharia, in one form or another will be enforced in that area and the police are not welcome. That area continues to grow with new immigrants until they gain political or military power. Eventually they gain control of the nation or a recognized part of it.
Israel is hated and reviled because they are the only country to have said, "You cannot have our land, you cannot kill our citizens if they refuse to convert, you can not drive us into exile as ISIL and other groups are doing in several countries. If you try it, we will defend ourselves militarily. We have the weapons and the will to smash you flat, so leave us alone."
They hate Israel because it's the one standing up to the bully, and the world is ashamed that they haven't the nerve to do it themselves.
originally posted by: Involutionist
...I stopped reading your post after these words
"With all due respect, your argument is puff..."
originally posted by: charles1952
a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement
That's an interesting thought. Thank you for that, it hadn't crossed my mind.
First, the facts that I have come from my source articles and a couple of others that say the same thing. You've got all the facts I do.
But the idea that Israel is saying "We want to end up with X% women dead, Y% men under 14 dead, and at least Z% men between the ages of 20 and 48 dead," Never occurred to me.
Just because I can't find any reason to fight that way, and I've never heard of it happening before, isn't absolutely proof that it isn't happening here. But I have to say that I'm just scratching my head and asking "What sense would that policy make?" And how would they know the ages of the people that died? Do they count as dead if they're badly wounded? And I can't believe that an army commander would say " Men, we've killed fewer women than our quota. Intelligence tells us that Reema's Burkha Boutique is having a sale today, go bomb that place flat and we'll be up to quota for women."
Or perhaps I've misunderstood you.
would it be correct to say that Israel is occasionally targeting women and children in Gaza?