EU warns Putin against any action in Ukraine, including humanitarian

Brussels (AFP) - European Commission head Jose Manuel Barroso warned Russian President Vladimir Putin in a phone call Monday against any unilateral intervention in Ukraine, including for humanitarian reasons.

Russia has pushed for a humanitarian ceasefire in eastern Ukraine as Kiev's forces have encircled large rebel-held cities in the region, but Western countries suspect that Moscow will use the aid mission as cover for sending in troops it has reportedly massed at the border.

EU warns Putin against any action in Ukraine, including humanitarian

This story comes on the heels of another
Reuters: NATO chief sees 'high probability' of Russian intervention in east Ukraine

in which NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen was quoted as saying there was a "high probability" that Russia would intervene militarily...

in that related story they said in response to Russian intervention ... this statement was given

However, President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Monday that Moscow would send humanitarian aid to Ukraine only if all involved parties agreed to the move.

that's what triggered this latest round of events

This so called humanitarian aid mission would be carried out by some 20,000 combat-ready troops on Ukraine's eastern border.

Needless to say everyone's kind of jumpy over what's going to happen over the next few hours... so stay tuned folks

Russia doesn't give a toss what the EU, NATO, the US, or anyone else thinks it should be doing in its own backyard. I hope Putin rolls the tanks in - just so we can see these same loudmouth EU bureaucrats go ashen and weak at the knees.

a reply to: HardCorps

in which NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen was quoted as saying there was a "high probability" that Russia would intervene militarily…

Good, at least we are admitting he hasn't. Bemused at the back and forth about that.

Has he? He hasn't. He has, He hasn't…

Whats clear is the propaganda mill is running out of flower petals.

a reply to: Atzil321

I hope Putin rolls the tanks in - just so we can see these same loudmouth EU bureaucrats go ashen and weak at the knees.

Thats actually what they want. To blame Russia for starting the war to follow. After the dust settles, the high world court can claim "Putin started it", reshaping the borders favorably for the victors and holding Russia responsible for the cost of reparations, just like the Versaille Treaty held the Germans responsible for reparations after World War 1.

What do you think all this Russia baiting and blame has been all about?

Whats really scary in my mind is the EU (NATO) and the West thinks it can actually win that war with Russia and not destroy the world in the process.

They want to have themselves a nice little money maker war and not have it develop into a Whole World War.

Blinders full on at the top.

Quite right. Russia has no business intervening at all in Ukraine unless invited.

Those people who want Russia to spark a military confrontation have no idea of the consequences. Russia won't do anything overt because the economic consequences would be too high for even Putin to survive.

Regards

originally posted by: paraphi
Quite right. Russia has no business intervening at all in Ukraine unless invited.

Those people who want Russia to spark a military confrontation have no idea of the consequences. Russia won't do anything overt because the economic consequences would be too high for even Putin to survive.

Regards

I don't think we would have to worry about the economic situation if war started with Russia.. It would be decimated everywhere.

Sounds like Europe does not want Russia interfering with their stealing of the Ukraine so they can acquire cheap resources. I'm wondering how long it will be before Russia pushes the buttons and starts a nuclear war....instigated by Europe and America.

loks like the E.U have given Russia two options,,



and there both highways.

the E.U

Rue de la Loi

street law ,cute. sounds more like "rule of law" street.

originally posted by: DarknStormy

originally posted by: paraphi
Quite right. Russia has no business intervening at all in Ukraine unless invited.

Those people who want Russia to spark a military confrontation have no idea of the consequences. Russia won't do anything overt because the economic consequences would be too high for even Putin to survive.

Regards

I don't think we would have to worry about the economic situation if war started with Russia.. It would be decimated everywhere.

It would be decimated everywhere. ,,,that u adolf??

yeah.

originally posted by: Atzil321
Russia doesn't give a toss what the EU, NATO, the US, or anyone else thinks it should be doing in its own backyard. I hope Putin rolls the tanks in - just so we can see these same loudmouth EU bureaucrats go ashen and weak at the knees.

Well Ukraine seems to think it's own territory belongs to itself not Russia. Crazy idea I know. And if by ashen and weak at the knees you mean giddy with excitement that Russia just commited politcal suicide and also opened Ukraine up to western arms markets. Then you would be right.

originally posted by: Atzil321
Russia doesn't give a toss what the EU, NATO, the US, or anyone else thinks it should be doing in its own backyard. I hope Putin rolls the tanks in - just so we can see these same loudmouth EU bureaucrats go ashen and weak at the knees.

He should, imo ... actually accept the offer to start a war. He should send in some reporters, or spies if you like ... take a picture of some atrocities, that the Ukrainians are doing. And then, use it to start the war ..

The US and Europe want the war ... because they're broke. Simply put, they're like George W. Bush, want to capitalize on war.

So, what should Putin do? He should have his own submarines go to the US border and have his naval ships, enter the Atlantic ocean ... en masse. Then, instead of having his bombers run around the US, he should have them run the EU borders ... and literally cross them. All of these, he should have loaded with armed nukes.

That's what the guy should, unless he wants to end up like Saddam Hussein. He thought he could play it safe ... and see where that got him.

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: Atzil321
Russia doesn't give a toss what the EU, NATO, the US, or anyone else thinks it should be doing in its own backyard. I hope Putin rolls the tanks in - just so we can see these same loudmouth EU bureaucrats go ashen and weak at the knees.

Well Ukraine seems to think it's own territory belongs to itself not Russia. Crazy idea I know. And if by ashen and weak at the knees you mean giddy with excitement that Russia just commited politcal suicide and also opened Ukraine up to western arms markets. Then you would be right.

western arms markets

yes,, take Qatar for instance,,


"The agreement was signed at the Pentagon by U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel,
and Qatar's defense minister, Hamad bin Ali al-Attiyah."

Qatar.,,, hmmm that country seems too have been in the news an awfull lot lately,,,hmmm


western arms markets,,guess ya gotta pay the bills somehow,, America,, how low,,can u go?,,
lets watch and see.
Kindest regards,
the world.

originally posted by: paraphi
Quite right. Russia has no business intervening at all in Ukraine unless invited.

Those people who want Russia to spark a military confrontation have no idea of the consequences. Russia won't do anything overt because the economic consequences would be too high for even Putin to survive.

Regards

Agree, but it seems Russia is doing not much in covert either. What is the use spending funds over mobilizing upto 45,000 troops? Those funds could have been used to deliver weapons and other needs to the rebels.

Situation is very bad for rebels. Total encirclement is looming for Donetsk which also means cut off from Luhansk where the supplies come from. Once encircled, it will be a matter of week or so.

Russia should try to help rebels from this encirclement situation atleast somehow.

a reply to: bjarneorn

That's what the guy should, unless he wants to end up like Saddam Hussein. He thought he could play it safe ... and see where that got him.

Saddam was trapped into a war and foolish guy was also arrogant. No country mobilizes 600K troops across the continent to play Church Nuns. Once he saw the mobilization, he should have withdrawn. Bastard was building billion dollar palaces when his people were scraping by for a meal..............that was just to taunt the west, that you can bomb all you want but I am living better off than before.

I do not believe, Putin should get into a war with NATO here. Even invading and facing economic hardship will make Russia weak. He should do atmost to help the rebels with weapons and intelligence. Also, the willing Russian troops can be sent in plain clothes. 35,000 Kiev Army plus 10,000 Fascist militia vrs merely 10,000 rebels lacking tanks and artillery plus facing jets and helicopters etc. These guys are fighting very well against such odds but a point reaches where AKs alone cannot stop the tanks and APCs.

a reply to: Atzil321

I hope Putin rolls the tanks in - just so we can see these same loudmouth EU bureaucrats go ashen and weak at the knees.

So then it's okay when he decides to come to the UK under the guise he is protecting ethnic Russian's, although the UK isn't causing them any problems?

a reply to: victor7

Russia should try to help rebels from this encirclement situation atleast somehow.

They have that's why they are where their at now, and sending any armed soldiers into Ukraine would not be Putin's best move.

originally posted by: victor7
[Russia should try to help rebels from this encirclement situation atleast somehow.

Indeed - it should help them by ensuring Ukraine can treat them the same way Russia treated Chechnya.

After all if it's good enough for Putin to cause up to 250,000 casualties suppressing a rebellion it's got to be good enough for Ukraine to do the same isn't it?

We're not suggesting double standards are we??

originally posted by: victor7
Russia should try to help rebels from this encirclement situation atleast somehow.

Why should Russia help? Russia has no business meddling in the affairs of Ukraine. The fact that they are will just bring even more punitive sanctions.

Anyway, to the OP. Ukraine has allowed Russian humanitarian aid via the Red Cross. Good result.

Red Cross Statement

Regards

a reply to: paraphi

Why should Russia help? Russia has no business meddling in the affairs of Ukraine. The fact that they are will just bring even more punitive sanctions.

Russia has definitely very serious and legitimate concerns in Ukraine and should act accordingly to meet its objectives.

How would US like if Mexico suddenly elects a communist government backed and funded by the Chinese. I doubt US will keep quiet.

Russia should provide both air attack and defense capabilities to DPR and LPR. The main theater Donetsk is barely 150 kms from the Russian border. Luhansk is even closer. Deploying S-300s to shoot down any Kiev Junta air force will help the rebels by alot. Having Su-30s also attack the Junta force concentrations will be a bonus.

There are units and force concentrations from Junta forces which are indiscriminately shelling the civilian areas for months now. These units need to be neutralized in that capability of harming the civilians. Junta is using Smerch level of weapons on civilians which is a total NONSENSE.

Russia should smuggle in helicopters, old Migs and Yak-38 type vertical take off jets that can bomb the Kiev junta forces and dilute their strengths. The coming fight for Donetsk is going to be crucial as Junta is going to throw in everything to capture the city as soon as possible. In this hurried manner, lots of civilians are in the harms way and will be harmed. Operational hurry on the part of Junta does not mean that civilians should be harmed without any concern.

a reply to: victor7
More like how would the US react if the Mexicans suddenly decided they wanted to follow a better economic and social model than a repressive dictatorship in a country that has never actually had a civil society or rule of law.

Russia crushed the Chechen rebellion with massive loss of life and a great deal more shelling of civilian areas than het military of the democratically parliament in Kiev has done to eth Russian invasion of Donbas.

Perhaps if you didn't want to look like such a hypocrite you might suggest that the democratically elected Government of Ukraine behave in eth same manner as the kleptocracy in Russia behaved in similar circumstances?


ETA: Russia has agreed to participate in a non-military humanitarin mission to Luhansk:

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) laid down strict guidelines to uphold its neutral role.

It said that before any aid operation started, Russia would need to provide details including the volume and type of items, as well transport and storage requirements.

"All parties must also guarantee the security of ICRC staff and vehicles, for the entire duration of the operation" the ICRC's Laurent Corbaz said.

The ICRC does not accept armed escorts, he added.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said earlier on Russian TV that an agreement had been reached.

But the Russian military will not be involved in the aid convoy sent, President Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov told the AFP news agency.

apparently Russia has finally realized that it can actually accomplish something useful without having to shoot at people!!

How much better off would the world be if Russia had had a sane foreign policy throughout this year??