Scottish Independance & Possible Huge Oil Discovery

a reply to: Soloprotocol

OK. You are as anti Scottish as they come.

No I'm not - I have lots of Scottish friends, love the country and spending time there, which I do quite frequently.
Scotland has a unique and fascinating culture and heritage both of which Scotland should be immensely proud of.
There is also a common bond that unites us.

I just recognise that some, and again I'll repeat, some Scots choose to blame the English for every single thing that is wrong or ever has been wrong with Scotland.

And whilst I know my opinion is totally and utterly irrelevant I firmly believe that we, the British people, have a better chance of turning this Union and all its constituent parts into the progressive, caring and strong Union that it both could and should be by being united.

You really couldn't be further wrong in your assessment of my alleged 'agenda' - but it just goes to show how some of The Nats and the 'Yes' campaigners chose to demonise anyone who has the temerity to voice an opinion different to their own.

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: TritonTaranis

It doesn't have to be like that. I don't know any scots that hate the English. There are morons everywhere.

I think one of the issues that fuels resentment is that we are governed from Westminster. Independence might bring us closer together in the long run.

Nothing is about to get real ugly it is people like you that cause division with such statements.

I disagree

I've followed as close as can be, all I see is HATE & LIES

Period...

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: TritonTaranis
Trust me, we dont need to go back 800 years for a reason to hate Westminster..(Not England)...we only need to look at the here and now. the whole set up is rotten to the bloody core. Rotten to the point where they do whatever they want, when they want and stick two fingers up to us while they are doing it.

More threats, "rUK will have a vote on whether Scotland gets to keep the pound"...Aint gonna happen buddy.
rUK would be cutting their own financial throats if they tried.

We hold all the Aces up here. Westminster has a busted flush with regards as to what they can and cant threaten us with.

Who the bloody hell do these morons think they are dealing with... France?

Erm, I'm pretty sure the feeling for Westminster's hate is a common one throughout the UK

Regardless of that, the UK is the fastest growing western economy with 3.1% growth so clearly they're doing something right... As I said, I've followed the debates all over and all I see is a campaign based on hate for the English, as I said I'm done with it, Im Just looking forward to the "told you so" threads and the mass riots in Scotland to start, personally I see some pro British enclaves in Scotland leaving Scotland and rejoining the rest of the happy UK family

originally posted by: TritonTaranis personally I see some pro British enclaves in Scotland leaving Scotland and rejoining the rest of the happy UK family

Good, dont let the door hit them on the arse on the way out...trust me, they wont be missed.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

You could always have them escorted out by your gunslingers. www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Soloprotocol

OK. You are as anti Scottish as they come.

No I'm not - I have lots of Scottish friends, love the country and spending time there,

Yada, Yada, Yada....Heard it all before...
The only country i've ever been called a Scottish Bastard, and i've been in a few, was England. Good job my English Cousins were there to pull me off the arsehole.

a reply to: TritonTaranis

You are looking forward to riots, interesting world view you have!

As midicon said there are morons everywhere, including this thread.

a reply to: Kester

I believe about 2.5% of Scottish police are firearms officers. Hardly routine.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

The only country i've ever been called a Scottish Bastard, and i've been in a few, was England.

Touche.
The only country I've been called an English bastard in is Scotland.....and on more than one occasion.....oh, and I've been in quite a few too.

Good job my English Cousins were there to pull me off the arsehole.

Good job my Scottish friends know better than to interfere when I've dealt with such instances.

All that proves is that there are arseholes everywhere, as stated previously.

That still goes in no way to prove that you were correct in your allegation that I'm anti-Scottish and am doing nothing but push an anti-Scottish agenda.....and that's because its absolute nonsense and typical of the tactics used by some in the 'Yes' campaign when confronted with someone who has a reasoned explanation why they oppose the 'Yes' vote.

Its because I am anything but anti-Scottish that I want Scotland to remain in the Union - if I was anti-Scottish why would I want you to remain, surely I'd rather see the back of Scotland.
It makes no rational sense at all.

a reply to: Freeborn

Sometimes there is an underlying tone, not with regard to you perhaps but with some there is a strange sort of resentment that we would want independence. We are a small nation attached to a larger one...the seat of power lies in the larger one. We only want to strike out on our own and govern ourselves. What do we hear...'you will never make it', 'don't come crying to me', it better not cost me anything'. This from our so called friends...why not say the exact opposite? Perhaps our friends are of the fairweather variety.

Think of how amusing the election that follows would be...it's all good.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Christ almighty...IT'S NOT ENGLANDS POUND. Get it,? got it? good.... Scotland has as much right to use the pound as England, NI or Wales...we helped build it. We will be keeping it.

There is nothing to stop you using it, but you won't have any "currency union" and will have sod all control over it, which means your own economy will be beholden to what we do with what will be our currency.

What if we raise interest rates, how will the Scottish economy cope with that? What if we decide on a rate of inflation to target that doesn't suit your economy? You'll have zero input on it and be in very dangerous territory.

Think about it - Salmond is promising an economy based on a volatile commodity of declining output using a currency over which you will have no control at all....

Sounds like a recipe for an almighty cock-up, if you ask me.

a reply to: midicon

I can't speak for everyone, but I know that for myself and others I have spoken to, the increasing bitterness is because of the "it's all England's fault" mantra we've had to put up with for nigh on 2 years now, if not more.

Neither side has particularly focussed on the positives, instead blaming each other and in the end, this is leading to a an acrimonious divorce. On top of that, we're seeing the Westminster Government fawn over Scotland to try and woo them, by offering everything from increased devolution, even more money and a bloody spaceport (in Scotland? That far north, which isn't good for space launches and with that weather?)!

But where is any of this for England? We're still the only nation in the Union that doesn't have it's own Parliament and has it's laws decided by MP's from all 4 nations.

a reply to: stumason

It's all madness. The last thing an independent Scotland needs is currency union. Isn't it strange that the last thing we need is what we want to keep...and those that say we can't have it, have no intention of not giving it.

I suppose that's par for the course.

There is no danger we will gain independence...Salmond will blow it, has blown it.

originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Christ almighty...IT'S NOT ENGLANDS POUND. Get it,? got it? good.... Scotland has as much right to use the pound as England, NI or Wales...we helped build it. We will be keeping it.

There is nothing to stop you using it, but you won't have any "currency union" and will have sod all control over it, which means your own economy will be beholden to what we do with what will be our currency.

What if we raise interest rates, how will the Scottish economy cope with that? What if we decide on a rate of inflation to target that doesn't suit your economy? You'll have zero input on it and be in very dangerous territory.

Think about it - Salmond is promising an economy based on a volatile commodity of declining output using a currency over which you will have no control at all....

Sounds like a recipe for an almighty cock-up, if you ask me.

Various experts have estimated that there is around the same amount of Oil left in the North sea as what has already been taken out, around £1.5 Trillion....i'll settle for that to offset and minor hiccups we might have along the road to full independence.
Who are we supposed to believe when we talk of Scotlands Oil...Gideon "class dunce" Osbourne or Alex "Oil economist for the Bank of Scotland" Salmond...who would you say knows his stuff about the Black stuff. Who would you trust to be telling the truth.?

a reply to: stumason

You know it's strange but I have never heard that mantra. Of course no one likes Westminster but that's not the English people. I am not blind I know about anti English sentiment and vice versa, it takes a certain level of idiot to walk that path.

Perhaps this independence thing is fueling it...

If I were English I would be saying to the scots...just as I would say to the Welsh or Irish...make it work....better your lives.

Grab this opportunity with both hands.

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: midicon
we're seeing the Westminster Government fawn over Scotland to try and woo them, by offering everything from increased devolution, even more money and a bloody spaceport (in Scotland? That far north, which isn't good for space launches and with that weather?)!

Woo us...Woo us with what? More false promises like they did the last time..why should'nt we have full devolution, why should'nt we be allowed to keep all tax generated here.?

As for the space port. never heard of this. Maybe this is this just another "jam tomorrow" promise that will never see the light of day.
We might not be able to launch things into space but we do have the only runway in Europe capable of handling stuff flying back from space..RAF Machrihanish at just over 10,000 feet long.

originally posted by: Freeborn

The only country I've been called an English bastard in is Scotland.....and on more than one occasion.....oh, and I've been in quite a few too.

I was sitting with a friend in his but and ben. en.wikipedia.org... He saw an advert in the paper for a car and rang the number. "I'm ringing about the car you have advertised" he said. There was a pause then he carefully said, "No, I'm not English, I went to school in England that's why I have an English accent." He's from a well known Moray family but having an English accent meant he wasn't considered worthy as a buyer of a secondhand car.

In 1978 a man called, don't laugh, Sticky Willie, burnt his second boat rather than sell it to us. His neighbour demolished a boathouse after having an Englishman enquire about renting it.

The clearances are a big issue for many Highlanders. I've seen a young Highlander leap out of his seat, point, and say with heartfelt emotion "Aye! And if you look down there you'll see the remains of the village!" as a television presenter talked about the beauty of the local mountain view showing on the screen. He didn't know I was English, I hadn't spoken since he'd entered the room, he didn't say it for my benefit.

For those who haven't seen it firsthand this amount of anti English racism seems far fetched. It's common, and stoked up for many reasons. Environmental campaigns in Scotland are often littered with anti English sentiment. Who benefits from dividing the environmental campaigners?

To me it all seems very suspicious. Racism is stoked up but the real enemies, the traitors in high places, are largely left in peace.

I'm convinced that healing the genuine rifts can only be done with large scale acknowledgement of the atrocity known as The Durham Death March and the terrible deaths in Durham Cathedral. www.abovetopsecret.com... I grew up in Durham, my first job was in the bookshop in Durham Cathedral, I know this story is not given a fraction of the attention it deserves. There has to be some reason it's almost hidden history.

I suspect the oil is being used as a carrot to insure a Yes vote. Given the extraordinary amount of subterfuge we are inundated with a Yes vote is most likely not in the interests of the common people. It's for the 'elite'.

a reply to: Kester

In 1978 a man called, don't laugh, Sticky Willie, burnt his second boat rather than sell it to us. His neighbour demolished a boathouse after having an Englishman enquire about renting it.

An example from thirty six years ago doesn't really help your case. There are places in Scotland where they still talk about prince charlie stealing their shoes. They just need an education and dragging into the real world. Those type of people although racist and ignorant have one thing going for them...they will vote for independence.

I am no nationalist and to be honest couldn't care less about national identity, for me it is about a possible future and new direction.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

So anyway....what about me and my alleged anti-Scottish agenda and me apparently being raging anti-Scottish.
You have nothing else to say after my response?

a reply to: stumason

But where is any of this for England? We're still the only nation in the Union that doesn't have it's own Parliament and has it's laws decided by MP's from all four nations.

Of course you have the lion's share of MP's. The UK parliament is really the English parliament. I can't say what's in this for England it is not my concern it is for the English people to decide. Why should there have to be something in it for England if Scotland goes independent? It would be nice if there was of course.

Nobody is suggesting that England should lose something other than the right to govern Scotland from Westminster. I would suggest that you might gain from scrapping the UK and governing yourselves...what's wrong with that? End resentment all round.