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Scottish Independance & Possible Huge Oil Discovery

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posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: paraphi

Sorry but this has been debunked countless times. There is no desire for independence in Shetlands. This was a piece of troble making dreamed up in the HOL ib the 70's.

Also oil is a bonus to the Scottish economy, without we would still be a wealthy modern nation.




posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

To be honest I think that's a pretty weak and lame excuse - surely with a bit of thought and effort some sort of solution could have been reached.

Now if I was the suspicious sort I'd suspect its because the majority of those Scots who reside elsewhere in the UK would have voted against independence......but of course King Alex is above using such tactics, I mean, he couldn't be just as amoral and corrupt as just about every other politician in the UK, could he?



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:19 PM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ScepticScot

To be honest I think that's a pretty weak and lame excuse - surely with a bit of thought and effort some sort of solution could have been reached.

Now if I was the suspicious sort I'd suspect its because the majority of those Scots who reside elsewhere in the UK would have voted against independence......but of course King Alex is above using such tactics, I mean, he couldn't be just as amoral and corrupt as just about every other politician in the UK, could he?


Most of those Scots living elsewhere in the UK are there for a reason...Work.
It's a sad day when you need to leave the country of your birth to better yourself...Now i wonder who was steering the ship when this particular boatload of 800,000 sailed away and continue to do so for a better life ...oh, that's right, the people in charge, the people who hold all of Scotland's wealth and hand us back some pocket money.. Westminster.



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:21 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot



There is no desire for independence in Shetlands. This was a piece of troble making dreamed up in the HOL ib the 70's.


No desire?
At all?


“The SNP is holding a gun to the islanders’ heads and saying 'I will not do anything for you unless you vote yes'. It is like the proverbial English colonial governor telling the natives what to do. People in the islands are very independent minded and they do not like being treated like this,” he said.

A spokesman for Yes Scotland said post-referendum issues were a matter for the Scottish Government.


www.independent.co.uk... s-9217514.html

There is a growing movement in favour of independence from Scotland in the Orkney's and the Shetland's as both feel increasingly alienated from Holyrood and a growing dislike of SNP and Salmond's dictatorial nature.



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:28 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Maybe just maybe once we get rid of the subs we can then start the drilling process on the Clyde bringing more work than ever before to the yards on the Clyde.. Oil on the clyde


Er, ok - so in the 70's, BP did some exploration and they think there might be some oil, but they have no idea how much nor if it is recoverable..

And this translates, in your mind, to "as soon as the subs are gone, we can start drilling"...

Drilling what? And even if there was Oil, your talking several years exploration to determine the size of the field before any commercial operations can even begin



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: Freeborn

There is a growing movement in favour of independence from Scotland in the Orkney's and the Shetland's as both feel increasingly alienated from Holyrood and a growing dislike of SNP and Salmond's dictatorial nature.


Dictatorial Nature???? I dont know where you get that from. He may be a passionate Scot, but they way you put it anyone would believe he was marching down the street with his Brown shirts in tow.

He is one of the best Political Leaders in the past 50 years. Better educated with a better CV for the job he is tasked to do than anyone sitting at Westminster at this present time.



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:39 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

So who should get a vote in the referendum only those born in Scotland? What about someone married to a Scot or who moved to Scotland at a young age or has Scottish parents. Should some born here but not lived in Scotland since get a vote? Do you really want a vote based on ethnic grounds? I gave seen plenty of posts saying it is unfair but no realistic alternative system.



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Maybe just maybe once we get rid of the subs we can then start the drilling process on the Clyde bringing more work than ever before to the yards on the Clyde.. Oil on the clyde


Er, ok - so in the 70's, BP did some exploration and they think there might be some oil, but they have no idea how much nor if it is recoverable..

And this translates, in your mind, to "as soon as the subs are gone, we can start drilling"...

Drilling what? And even if there was Oil, your talking several years exploration to determine the size of the field before any commercial operations can even begin




Seismic and geological studies were carried out by energy giant BP in a 92 square mile stretch of water south of Arran which is a vital gateway to the Faslane naval base. But both BP and the UK Government say they no longer have copies of the survey results,
Clyde Oil

How convenient for BP and the Government to lose the Survey reports. Hmmmm.



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:44 PM
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posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

Link to is not working (probably my end as on phone) however unless it is a independent poll showing support fir Shetland independence then i suspect it is just more ill informed opinion or blatant scaremongering. The only poll could find on an admittedly limted search gave support at 8% to even consider it.



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:49 PM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol



Most of those Scots living elsewhere in the UK are there for a reason...Work.


Isn't that the same the world over - Scots living and working in rUK are by no means unique in their motivations or reasoning.



It's a sad day when you need to leave the country of your birth to better yourself...


Again, what's unique about that?

Now why do 'some' people seek to make political gain out of this?



Now i wonder who was steering the ship when this particular boatload of 800,000 sailed away and continue to do so for a better life ...oh, that's right, the people in charge, the people who hold all of Scotland's wealth and hand us back some pocket money.. Westminster.


People have migrated since time immemorial.

First of all, you have more control over the issues that effect you than any other region of the UK, yet still you whine......do you honestly know what you sound like to everyone outside of Scotland in the UK?

I don't know who you're going to blame if it all goes tits up if or when you vote for independence - no doubt it'll still all be the fault of those bastard English.

And Scotland most definitely is not the downtrodden and oppressed nation some seem to be trying to portray it as.
And again, just how unique do you think you are in being under-funded, under-invested, under-represented etc - ffs, I live in North East England, you think you have it bad!
Yes, the problem is Westminster, London and Home Counties centric nature of UK politics and business and the system that both maintains and promotes it - but do you think that 'independence' will truly free you from all that?
We have a far better chance changing that by sticking together.



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:54 PM
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originally posted by: Telos

originally posted by: D8ncer


Note that I am Scottish and 50/50 on the vote at the moment.




Maybe I didn't get it right but you're scottish and are 50/50 on the Independence from England?

p.s. Talk about Stockholm syndrome ...

What an utterly ridiculous statement....even for the extreme nonsense on ATS these days.

I'm from Yorkshire , I live in Scotland and thus have the vote. I am 75 yes 25 no at present. What wonderful nonsesnsical stupid observation are you going to make about me?

Jesus H !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh by the way for those ignorant about geography, Yorkshire is in England, Northern England. I am Yorkshire 1st, British 2nd and English 3rd.



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot
I agree with you there.
All my Scottish mates here in England knew it was coming and had the chance to register living at their mams house or whatever if they gave that much of a toss about having the vote. If they were to bitch about it at the pub now I'd be the first to remind them as they well know how easily they could've done it, even if it meant that they had to pay the 25% discount on Council Tax their widowed mam would lose as no longer being a single householder.

If Wales was voting I'd be back and forth there to claim my vote. Different story completely but you get my point I hope.



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

Wasn't there a referendum in the north if England on a regional assembly that was overwhelming rejected? There is no real appetite for any form of constitutional change at the moment in England. if there was i would not be a yes supporter, Scottish independence is the only chance to change the system.
edit on 5-8-2014 by ScepticScot because: cant type properly on this damn phone.



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

There was a referendum on a North Eastern Assembly in 2004 which was heavily rejected.
It was the most pathetic, under publicised, one-sided affair you could ever imagine.

There was barely any public debate and those that did occur were ridiculously biased.

But recently people are becoming increasingly aware of the London centricism of UK politics and business.
The North East, along with several other regions, are becoming increasingly marginalised from the rest of UK society.
There is a growing belief that we need to move towards granting devolved powers to all the regions within some sort of Federal framework - Devo max for ALL the UK.



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 06:09 PM
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originally posted by: Freeborn

And Scotland most definitely is not the downtrodden and oppressed nation some seem to be trying to portray it as.
And again, just how unique do you think you are in being under-funded, under-invested, under-represented etc - ffs, I live in North East England, you think you have it bad!
Yes, the problem is Westminster, London and Home Counties centric nature of UK politics and business and the system that both maintains and promotes it - but do you think that 'independence' will truly free you from all that?
We have a far better chance changing that by sticking together.


Absolutely correct as a Northerner living in Scotland and has done so for 35 years. My only issue with an independence vote is the near permanent majority this hands the Tories in England who have as much sympathy for Northerners as they do the Scots (but nobody NOBODY in Scotland understands that, too busy whining all the time about "England").

Salmond tonight totally blindsided the question about currency. No nation can be truly independent without control over it's currency. He seems to think that after a yes vote everyone in England will be happy about underwriting Scottish fiscal decisions with ENGLISH taxpayers money. Because that is exactly the problem that will exist with a currency union and exactly why NOBODY with half a brain cell in England/Wales would want it !!!!!! No doubt the hard Yes voters will whine about the "English" even after independence !!!!!!!!!!!!

NB I am 75% yes and 25% no. The 75% driven by the disaster that the Tories are inflicting on the UK, the 25% by the permanent harm inflicted on my original home and the lack of true independence due to the currency issue.



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 06:10 PM
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I would have voted yes, but we're not being offered independence. We're being offered to become a EU controlled region without a Westminster middleman. If we were voting to be like a Norway or Switzerland (especially with Swiss gun rights) maybe I'd consider it but no thanks. Ironically the nasty, snarling yes voters have done more to increase no voters than the no campaign. They are a sight to behold on facebook. They made me a no voter that's for sure. I have nothing in common with pro IRA, pro Palestinian, Celtic supporting socialists. I'll stick to UKIP and a no vote if we ever get a referendum on the EU. Had quite enough already of our women being raped by Muslims and Eastern Europeans as of late as it is. Keep those borders closed! I'm no fan of the Tories, being on Jobseekers under them has been Hell but not all of us intend on living a life on benefits and I won't be for much longer since I actually make an effort in life. The fact is a large percentage of people on benefits should be left to rot or at the very least sterilized.


edit on 5-8-2014 by doomguy5000 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

Agree 100% with your solution a federal uk, however think you are totally wrong in your belief that there is a growing support for this. The only uk party who support any form of constitutional change are the lib dems who have now become tory lite



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 06:22 PM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol



He may be a passionate Scot,....


Nothing wrong with that at all.



.....but they way you put it anyone would believe he was marching down the street with his Brown shirts in tow.


No. I'd liken him more to Joseph Goebbels.



He is one of the best Political Leaders in the past 50 years.


Now there's not a lot to beat there is there....but I'd still say that's a bit of a stretch.



Better educated with a better CV for the job he is tasked to do than anyone sitting at Westminster at this present time.


Don't know about the educated and CV bit but let's face it, if he's not better suited, (and I don't think he is), than this current bunch of amoral, corrupt, self-advancing scumbags then there's really not much hope is there?

I honestly don't see Salmond being much different than any other current politician - from the same deck of cards just a different suit.

a reply to: ScepticScot



So who should get a vote in the referendum only those born in Scotland?


Never professed to having all the answers - I just think that given all the 'experts' and their planning and consultations etc they could have come up with a system that gave all UK residents of Scottish birth a vote in the referendum.



posted on Aug, 5 2014 @ 06:24 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

On the subject of the North - and you touch on the subject of under-publicised events - there are a variety of projects either earmarked or actually underway to improve employment and economic opportunities, but these always seem to be forgotten when people like to rail against the London centric Government.

Even the Government acknowledges that London is too central to everything and are trying to diversify, the problem with undoing that is investing in the infrastructure to support the economic growth required. This is being done, but it doesn't happen overnight.

a reply to: yorkshirelad

Again, I am puzzled by the oft repeated claims of a "Tory borne disaster" - everything the Tories said they would do, they have done, despite many noisy claims to the contrary from the two Ed's, the economic plan has worked and continues to work.

As I said above, the trick is not only to make sure people know it, but to also get people to feel it and this takes time. Decades of under investment across the whole nation (not just the north) means we have to spend a fortune just to tread water, much less actually improve the infrastructure to support economic growth and diversification, but this is being done, not least with a £100 Billion, decade long infrastructure plan.

I really wish the media would report more on the "good" stuff the Government does, not least because it may actually restore faith in politicians, instead of reporting doom and gloom nonsense making us all feel like nothing is being done, which couldn't be further from the truth.



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