Federal Bake Sale Ban Set to Hit Schools This Fall

a reply to: ~Lucidity

When, in modern history, has there ever been such a massive drive by a government to infiltrate and insinuate itself into every aspect of life?

In our schools, college campuses, work places, streets, and homes, government is writing laws placing itself as the central authority in everything we do and say and touch and spend.

Personal responsibility and individuality have become alien thought to most of America. From the media espousing the ideals of government expertise to politicians themselves, time and time again, illustrates the encroachment of government control.

And when people call it out?

We get called partisan or fringe or extremist or "domestic terrorist" because we don't conform to the government mandate that we should all just behave and keep our mouths shut.




“I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration.”

― Hillary Rodham Clinton

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: ~Lucidity
...perhaps if you realized exactly what these mean to the children of our nation, you would understand more.

That's one issue, but it goes so much deeper than that. Some soulless entity from a city far away is - more and more every day - telling you and me how we can live our lives, what we can eat, what we can think.

And all the while, I keep hearing this bleating of sheep in mine ears. Sheep only exist for one purpose. As a matter of fact, I'll be slaughtering three of them this afternoon to fill my freezer with meat.

a reply to: incoserv

To me it's craziness. How dare they intrude on how communities of this nation provide items for the kids. Just plain how the hell dare they!

It's us thinking up ways to get these things, and them thinking up ways how to keep our kid's from getting them!

a reply to: OpinionatedB

Ma'am, it takes a (government) village to raise a child.

originally posted by: xuenchen
It's just one more means of control.

The ultra-Progressives can't stand any individualism to exist anywhere.

Everything must be approved from a national central committee.

You are correct, it is about control, control of the people, control of the children and control of the purse strings.
By eliminating this income stream they make the schools more dependent upon the government grant money.

It is not a federal concern how the local school board raises extra money for the things they need to do their job of educating our children and grandchildren. If this came from a local school board I wouldn't have much to say about it other than that I disagree, but from the federal government which has no business mandating ANYTHING locally it is totally unacceptable.

originally posted by: RedmoonMWC

originally posted by: xuenchen
It's just one more means of control.

The ultra-Progressives can't stand any individualism to exist anywhere.

Everything must be approved from a national central committee.

You are correct, it is about control, control of the people, control of the children and control of the purse strings.
By eliminating this income stream they make the schools more dependent upon the government grant money.

It is not a federal concern how the local school board raises extra money for the things they need to do their job of educating our children and grandchildren. If this came from a local school board I wouldn't have much to say about it other than that I disagree, but from the federal government which has no business mandating ANYTHING locally it is totally unacceptable.

Actually if you read the original article that this came from these people are complaining because they may lose out on money on things like this.

"Schools have relied on these types of sales as revenue streams for sports, cheering clubs, marching bands," said David Sevier, deputy executive director of the Tennessee Board of Education. "We get the obesity issue, but we don't want to jerk this out from under the kids."

These activities have nothing to do with a child's education. If parents want their kids to be in these programs then let the parents pay for it that is the way it was done when I was in school. I did find that one person said "we don't want to sell apples because they go bad" funny though. Fresh fruit is all we sold when I was in school so I know this person is full of crap. These lazy people just don't want to get off their butts and do the work required like going door to door to sell the fruit.

a reply to: buster2010

Actually, what it goes to - and what it needs to go to, really does depend on the district itself. Some districts have more money from tax revenue than others, yet the needs are the same.

The poorer districts this money goes more to actual education supplies than it does extra curricular activities, and some districts it goes solely to things that are considered extra curricular.

Also, if you ask any teacher how much of their pay goes to classroom supplies they think are important for the kids you will find the teachers spend TONS of their own money. Most spend anywhere from a quarter to half their paycheck just to provide the best learning environment for the children they teach.

Some of that burden CAN be lifted off their shoulders through these sales. I had not realized how much one of the teachers spent - I just knew he was one of the best teachers in that school... but he came up to me because he wanted to get married and buy a house, and couldn't do it if he continued to spend the same as he had been for classroom supplies.

Believe me when I say I listened - and started asking the other teachers the question, do you spend your own money on these items? Got the same answers .... most spend a very large portion of their paycheck on educational supplies.

As far as some of it going to marching bands and sports activities, that is all part of learning and growing too. And the more "into" the extra curricular activities that are school related a child is, the more they do things like keep their grades up, and get into less trouble.

Music is part of learning, and exercise is part of being healthy... make all of it fun, and you have a child dedicated to learning!

My son wasn't into sports so much, but my daughter was on the basketball team, and was a cheerleader too. Those activities helped her concentrate on learning more too - and keeping her grades up so she could continue to do those things she loved. Because she was into those things, that were still school related, her grades were better than his.

You just gotta loophole it.

I haven't read the law, and am spitballing here....but wouldn't a parents association be able to conduct a bake sale outside the auspices of federal jurisdiction? What if a group of parents gathered around to have a bake sale...is that violating the law?

I keep saying: don't beg for freedom...just be free. Even if you have to be crafty about doing it.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

This is true that you can do these sales off school grounds, but why should they if they don't need to? Why should they be forced to do every single fundraiser off school grounds, and some of it, such as the concessions during games, has to be on school grounds, since the games are there... It's ALL going to the school activities in the end - why should everyone have to figure out work around for it all?

Why cannot the feds leave people to raise their children - and educate them, however they see fit?

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Now there's an idea!

Find the loopholes.
I agree BFFT.

My school (not in USA) has bake sales quite often. It's how we sponsor our field trips, proms, Sports Day, etc.

I feel sorry for you guys, I really do.
I feel like the Americans have lost their freedom a long time ago, and am reminded by it when I read articles like this one.
- government tells what kids can eat at school
-government stops ways of getting extra money for education supplies/extracur. activities-bake sale

They are now totally controlling the future of your kids.

Seems very backwards in many ways...

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: pheonix358
... What will be next. What can be next after banning cupcakes.

At this point, it doesn't matter what's next. It's over.

Let me suggest some things that are around the corner with a
logical extension on the ban on bake sales to "protect" citizens from themselves:

Banning football because it is too dangerous for the children.

Banning all vending machines that carry high sugar drinks and "junk" food
on all federal property and in any building of any organization that gets even the smallest federal funding, and all federal contractors place of business.

Banning pancake breakfast fund raisers
for any group that gets federal funding.

Banning the consumption of all high sugar drinks and junk food
on all federal property and in any building of any organization that gets even the smallest federal funding, and all federal contractors place of business.on all f

Making the consumption of marijuana legal
on all federal property and in any building of any organization that gets even the smallest federal funding, and all federal contractors place of business.

Making homosexual PDA legal on federal property to ensure fairness

Banning heterosexual PDA (public display's of affection: ie kissing, hand holding etc) because of sexual harassment.

I could go on and on with the bat **it ideas that the liberal/progressive/socialist/Democrats would think is a terrific idea for rules for the rest of us to live by.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
You just gotta loophole it.

I haven't read the law, and am spitballing here....but wouldn't a parents association be able to conduct a bake sale outside the auspices of federal jurisdiction? What if a group of parents gathered around to have a bake sale...is that violating the law?

I keep saying: don't beg for freedom...just be free. Even if you have to be crafty about doing it.

Great idea!

I'll suggest it to our local high school.

You are correct, they can not ban what happens off school grounds.

The High School has a church across the street that I think would be happy to host the bake sales.

All the kids would have to do is cross the street, where the church allows the school to have overflow parking anyway.

Brilliant!!!!


(P.S. I just sent a facebook message to the church. Hope they help the kids out)

a reply to: OpinionatedB

Your local school is a poor beacon for parental freedom, that is for sure. The feds have their hands in all manner of things in our schools, from standardized testing to starving them out at lunch. We absolutely should be outraged...but is this what it takes to make people outraged?

Its a bake sale. Around here they do them all by the front doors at Wal Mart, anyway. The law might impact cake walks at school festivals....but all you have to do then is bring in store bought baked goods for the cake walk. Our local HEB makes fantastic baked goods with all required labels.

I would bet that, if people thought about it, a better (and more profitable) fund raising model can be found. Like setting up your bake sale in an area where people are already coming to spend money.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Sometimes it's the damn principle of the thing. I say hold them at the schools anyway... heck now more than ever. That's how you tell them its your kids, its their education.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
You just gotta loophole it.

I haven't read the law, and am spitballing here....but wouldn't a parents association be able to conduct a bake sale outside the auspices of federal jurisdiction? What if a group of parents gathered around to have a bake sale...is that violating the law?

I keep saying: don't beg for freedom...just be free. Even if you have to be crafty about doing it.

So we have to find loopholes in order to exercise our freedoms?

Well, I suppose.

Or we could eliminate the idiotic laws that restrict the freedoms in the first place.

(just a thought. . . )

a reply to: beezzer

if you would like to start eliminating stupid laws, please start with almost any other one than this one. While i like bake sales....this is pretty low on the priority list.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: beezzer

if you would like to start eliminating stupid laws, please start with almost any other one than this one. While i like bake sales....this is pretty low on the priority list.

Heh guys, you basically agree.

If we can get rid of one stupid law
maybe it is a small step (Systems Theory)

toward eliminating all the laws that are stupid
not just laws, but we are really talking regulations

This bake sale thing is a regulation, not a law, as is the mandatory starvation diet for the school lunches.


I think any regulation not voted on by a publicly elected body should be made null and void anyway and declared illegal since they were never voted on by representatives of the people.

This is one law we the people should demand Congress pass:

"All regulations federal,state, and local must have open hearings followed by a vote of either the general population or a publicly elected body. All regulations are hereby null and void until they are voted upon."

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Low? This is LOW on your list?

Okay....

I would literally do anything for my kids. Thats how I ended up on a school board that didn't pay a dime, doing every fundraiser imaginable, all the while running a farm and working 40 hours a week outside the home.

Nights I stayed up half the night so I could help the school... for the kids. Mine, my neighbors, all of our kids. I put more time and energy, energy that could have gone to doing something fun in life... well I decided to make what was important fun, and productive.

ANYTHING that potentially effects our children, and their needs - and excellence in education is a NEED - is VERY HIGH on my priority list!

Sorry you think this isn't so darn important. I cannot imagine people who wouldn't feel like this is pretty darn high on their priority list.

Cannot sell a homemade cupcake (when you don't have the damn money to purchase stuff from a bakery) to raise money for school supplies for poor kids... there is NOTHING that is next. This is it! NOTHING left they haven't taken!

Who is going to go to DAMN JAIL for selling a homemade flipping cupcake? Seriously BFFT! This is more than a little ridiculous!

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

It allowed for "infrequent" fundraisers, and states were allowed to decide how many bake sales they would have that didn't meet nutrition standards.
...
Each state can mandate the number of daytime fundraisers held each year that buck the nutrition requirements. But so far, 32 states have opted to stay strictly in the healthy zone, according to a draft report from the School Nutrition Association, which said the final number could change before the school year begins.
...
The Obama administration said it has provided states flexibility with the rules, which cover schools that participate in the federal school meals programs. "We defer to the states to make decisions that made sense to them," said Sam Kass, executive director of Let's Move!
...
Said Tennessee's Mr. Sevier: "It's not like we're going to have a brigade of black helicopters coming in to check."

This is all from the actual WSJ article online.wsj.com...

It's up to the states - it's NOT forbidding every bake sale that occurs; it leaves plenty of room for "infrequent events" (like the spring carnival or prom fundraisers, for example).

As usual, the hysterical reactions start from people who didn't actually look any deeper into the whole thing. If people don't like their state's decision on it, they can complain to the BoE in their state.

And like you said, BFFT, my attitude is just "meh - do it anyway. What are they gonna do?"

No open fires except in April and October? Pfft. We have campfires going out back every cool evening - never a problem.

That's how we operate in my county - sure, there are "regulations", but there aren't military teams wandering around arresting people for making home improvements without 'licenses' or DIYers putting on a front porch. There aren't weekly patrols out checking every freaking yard and garage sale for proper "licenses" or confiscating the used goods being exchanged by neighbors.

It's our neighbors that do the community monitoring around here - if the neighbors don't complain, you can do whatever.
I recall back in the 90s they tried to do this in Kansas - we just kept having cake walks and bake sales anyway. No problems. Sure, we're supposed to have "building permits" - so what? Just build your porch. What are they going to do?
No one EVER comes around asking to see our permits when we're changing out a window or replacing our siding or building a shed. EVER. There's no "checkpoint" outside Lowe's or Home Depot with license distributors stopping people before they can exit the store.

I also agree with your other point - this is a molehill which can be ignored and worked around. We have LOTS of other bigger problems.