One cannot believe in something that does not exist.

a reply to: Wifibrains

Hmmm, If you could, it would be easy to keep it secret. It would hide itself from those who couldn't see it. Lol

If nothingness had awareness, it could only it be aware of other seperate nothingnesses.

How can nothing have awareness? Awareness is something. As soon as there is awareness, there has to be something that is aware.

"One cannot believe in something that does not exist."

quote "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" unquote

So dont worry about it.

originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: Wifibrains

Hmmm, If you could, it would be easy to keep it secret. It would hide itself from those who couldn't see it. Lol

If nothingness had awareness, it could only it be aware of other seperate nothingnesses.

How can nothing have awareness? Awareness is something. As soon as there is awareness, there has to be something that is aware.

You made something out of the awareness.

It bacame self aware that is was nothing and so could then only percieve other nothingness, that must count for something?

a reply to: TheSubversiveOne

But you say they can't believe in something that isn't real. They believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy because their parents tell them they're real but that doesn't negate the fact that they still believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

But you say they can't believe in something that isn't real. They believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy because their parents tell them they're real but that doesn't negate the fact that they still believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.

They simply do not. They believe in whatever they hear or see about Santa Claus, not what they don't.

a reply to: Mon1k3r

Do you believe in the number nine? It doesn't exist.

9

originally posted by: TheSubversiveOne
a reply to: Mon1k3r

Do you believe in the number nine? It doesn't exist.

9

You have found something that represents 'nine'.
Nine is a mental construct, it doesn't exist.

originally posted by: TheSubversiveOne
a reply to: butcherguy

Wrong.
Plenty of people believe in things that don't exist.
Just because they shouldn't believe in something doesn't mean that they can't.

Make an argument if you are able. Simply asserting doesn't work.

It has already been done.
Santa Claus has been offered.
Plenty of people believe in him.
Does he exist?

They simply do not. They believe in whatever they hear or see about Santa Claus, not what they don't.

^^^ So what the heck is that supposed to mean, anyway???

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: TheSubversiveOne
a reply to: butcherguy

Wrong.
Plenty of people believe in things that don't exist.
Just because they shouldn't believe in something doesn't mean that they can't.

Make an argument if you are able. Simply asserting doesn't work.

It has already been done.
Santa Claus has been offered.
Plenty of people believe in him.
Does he exist?

They simply do not. They believe in whatever they hear or see about Santa Claus, not what they don't.

^^^ So what the heck is that supposed to mean, anyway???

If a tree falls in the forest, does a bear poo in the woods?

a reply to: TheSubversiveOne

What of the power of inference? Do you believe the earth is completely hollow, each part of the earth underground you have never seen is complete nothingness?

a reply to: TheSubversiveOne

Did they believe in the Higgs Boson, or DNA, or Black Holes, or the Big Bang???

All before it was known???


Poor argument!!!

Peace everybody!!!

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: TheSubversiveOne

Did they believe in the Higgs Boson, or DNA, or Black Holes, or the Big Bang???

All before it was known???


Poor argument!!!

Peace everybody!!!

exactly my point

originally posted by: Wifibrains

originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: Wifibrains

I dunno, nothingness seems to be, er... Becoming?

Nothingness is as nothingness does. So would you notice nothing if you came across it?

Hmmm, If you could, it would be easy to keep it secret. It would hide itself from those who couldn't see it. Lol

If nothingness had awareness, it could only it be aware of other seperate nothingnesses.

OH man, I had an argument with myself about nothing one time.

It gets you nowhere.

a reply to: TheSubversiveOne

So they don't believe a man comes down the chimney at Christmas to give them presents or that a fairy comes through their window to exchange money for teeth? I'm pretty sure they do, whether their parents taught them that or not isn't really relevant.

Do Muslims not believe in Allah or Jews in Yahweh?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: TheSubversiveOne

So they don't believe a man comes down the chimney at Christmas to give them presents or that a fairy comes through their window to exchange money for teeth? I'm pretty sure they do, whether their parents taught them that or not isn't really relevant.

Do Muslims not believe in Allah or Jews in Yahweh?

The argument of santa claus works in the OPs favor, because the OP is trying to prove the fallibility of belief without sensual proof, which santa claus would be included in since we know he is a character of fantasy that does not really exist, and those, children, who believe in him, are doing so falsely.

a reply to: ImaFungi

But his argument is that they really don't believe in Santa when they actually do. If you ask a child if Santa is real then they will most likely say he is. Whether their belief is in something real or not is a whole other issue entirely and not really the premise of this thread.

a reply to: butcherguy

It has already been done.
Santa Claus has been offered.
Plenty of people believe in him.
Does he exist?

They believe only what they’ve been told about him, and how he has been depicted. I don’t see how it’s so difficult to understand.

You have found something that represents 'nine'.
Nine is a mental construct, it doesn't exist.

You are saying “nine” is something other than the word “nine” and the numeral “9”?

Nine apples exist.

“Nine” is a word. 9 is numeral. They exist.

What is it then? What is your mental construct of “9” a construct of?

a reply to: TheSubversiveOne

So you don't really believe in Pluto, only the idea of it, am I getting this right? You only believe in the idea of black holes but not the actual black holes themselves. Even if they are actually real, you can't believe in them because you have never seen them.

Is this line of thinking correct? If so, it's kind of pointless, no offense.

Anything you can think of exists. A pink unicorn riding a rainbow over Chinese dictators holding American flags? That exists now that I have thought of it. It only exists in the form of a thought but it still exists nonetheless, so your premise doesn't really hold up.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ImaFungi

But his argument is that they really don't believe in Santa when they actually do. If you ask a child if Santa is real then they will most likely say he is. Whether their belief is in something real or not is a whole other issue entirely and not really the premise of this thread.

His arguement is that there is no real santa claus, and they believe there is a real santa claus, so their belief is wrong, non factual, or the way he puts it is; they cannot believe in it. Of course anyone does have the power to believe in anything, the way I interpreted him his, what they believe to be real, does not exist, or is not real, so their belief is also not real, non existent, grounded in nothing, an error. This brings up good questions though, like, what is hope? Can you use a thought to give you a positive feeling, and if so is that bad or right or wrong or meaningless or good or neutral?

a reply to: TheSubversiveOne

What is it then? What is your mental construct of “9” a construct of?

You can't hold a nine in your hand.
You can hold ink on a piece of paper in your hand.
You can hold a piece of wood that has a shape that you relate to 'nine' in your hand.

You can't hold a nine in your hand.
'Nine' is nothing other than thought.