How will the world remember America?

originally posted by: neo96
If America is so effing bad they need to tell that to Mexicans, and other south and central American illegal immigrants.

As they come hell or high water running for this country.

The problem is my friend, Finding a job, and feeding your family is much harder south of the border. Right or wrong, I would come here too, even if it was doing so illegally.

But yes, everyone still wants to come here to the USA, contrary to popular America hating belief.

Something they don't do elsewhere like China,etc.

China doesn't allow any immigrants at all because they already have a population problem. Even if they did not, their government, while very, very far from perfect, is not culturally suicidal.

Crazy times indeed. ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: Expat888
The censorship is there yes .. but most chinese kids have found alot of creative ways around it .. and even with the censorship on the times that am in china i can still access ats without having to resort to creative methods of getting around censorship ..

China is an ugly baby and someone just needs to finally say so...

I do not understand them... They build cities where no one lives, malls that no one shops in, they are doing this in Africa too. They are trying to maintain that 10% growth rate with ghost towns and they just past America in debt of 14 trillion dollars. They eat their food using gutter oil (extremely gross), they put filler in baby formula, risking the health of babies, and they use trash as fertilizer with chemicals, batteries etc adding toxins to their food. Their major cities have the greatest health hazard in the world with dirty air....900 million are trying to live on less than 5 bucks a day. The scary part is they are just getting started....

Even with all this one just needs to look at the resent anniversary of Tiananmen Square so really see how much freedom the population there really has.

The U.S wasn't built in a day?

Nicely Put Man! Totally agreed.
a reply to: eriktheawful

It probably won't be remembered hardly at all. It's just a mere matter of time until a full-scale thermonuclear holocaust and nuclear winter happens in the Northern Hemisphere. Due to what has been going for so many decades, and because those actions are now greatly accelerating.

They have lots of different cute names for it like, "game theory", "the grand chess board", "the endgame", etc. But it all comes down to one basic thing - the domino effect. It's what Freemasonry operates under, "Ordo Ab Chao", meaning Order Out of Chaos.

Just reading this thread is proof itself. So many shills, so many spooks, so much disino and misinfo, so many Masons and other such "elites", so many that have zero intellectual capacity, so many with zero morals, so many with psychological disorders, and just a whole bunch of psychopaths.

Then you see a few normal statements, and some actual facts and truth mixed in here and there...but just from the small minority few. It's like this in everything.

Order Out of Chaos - this domino effect is well into it's very late stages now. But it's not going to just be some little minor thing as people are speculating. It's going to be a holocaust.

You can't throw the entire planet into an all-out chaos, when ICBMs with multiple warheads, large scale nukes, and multiple delivery systems exist in multiple countries, and not have it happen. That's the plan, Order Out of Chaos.

I think it will be remembered like the British Empire.

Had some amazing points and had some disgraceful points too.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

This is incorrect. We don't have the Goths to the north, or the huns to the east.

You have those dastardly Canadians to the north?

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
We don't have an empire that stretches beyond our ability to manage.

Well thats a matter up for debate.....

DP

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

Are we capable of more? Certainly. But we are underachievers, living off the laurels of our fathers and grandfathers.

we are all standing on the shoulders of giants

i love that saying

edit:- love your avatar

edit on 17/6/2014 by maryhinge because: (no reason given)

a reply to: crazyewok

well....if we take away their beer and make them drink ours, it may cause them to start an invasion to right a wrong.

but we do have an ability to manage a long stretching empire via our technology. Not that I want to see us continue doing what we do, by any stretch.

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: thesaneone
Nothing would make me happier then having America isolate herself from the rest of the world just so we can sit back and listen to the rest of the world cry and beg for our help and when we ignore the cries for help then we can read on ATS how mean we are for not helping.

Point is no matter what we do or don't do other countries will always hate America and for no other reason then jealousy.

You're probably right.....

Anyone who thinks Churchill would have asked for help if he didn't need it is a fool. He was one of the strongest leaders in history, he liked to say he wooed Roosevelt into the war. Churchill was an intellectual giant compared to Roosevelt. He would have never asked if he didn't need it. How he and Roosevelt actually got us into the war is yet another conspiracy.

Churchill knew that American as well as British interests where under threat from Nazi Germany. Why should Britain alone take the fight to Nazi's.Churchill wanted The U.S. to make a fair contribution in defeating Hitler. Only problem is the American's charged for it.

Probably the only "Charge" they made throughout the war

Both US and Canada loaned England money but not until after the war, US 6 billion if I am not mistaken and Canada 1.5 or so. Amazing enough your country made the final payment in 2006, no hurry we are just across the pond. You received our goods and blood during the war for FREE. (that means no charge) We loaned you money for rebuilding and leftover military items you wanted to keep.

As far as the internet and the World Wide Web, the internet is the hardware and the www is the protocols only a small portion of the net today although the contribution important. In the US we were sending emails from college to college before anyone even had an idea of the protocols required to create the WWW. The internet was created by DARPA as a means to communicate between missile silos incase one connection was severed there could still be communications to launch.

So yes you can claim the web, but it's kind of like we invented the car and you added a steering wheel when we were already steering with a wrench. The internet was established and functional before the WWW protocols were invented. Never mind the computer to run the whole shebang or would you like to claim those as well?

Now are you to tell me, (we should start at the beginning ) with German uboats sending english iron to meet davey jones without the american navy you would be fine? That shipping and the queens navy would be fine without Americans? Because of the technology to detect german subs and the American tactics to attack the subs English naval warfare was spared from having more iron on the bottom than was available on the island.

So you're saying we got into the war so we could make a fair contribution to fight the nazi's and we chagred you for it? We lost the pretty much same amount of people you did about 450K because it was a fair contribution on our part? Again we were not threatened by the Nazi's it was you that asked for help and it wasn't for a fair contribution. If we had charged you for the war effort based on your payment progress for 6 billion loan to rebuild we would still be waiting for repayment.

More delusional rubbish from our American friends i see.

1) Yes the WWW was put on top of the internet. Just like The U.S. was put on top of the 13 colonies.

2) No. Britain didn't depend on U.S. technology to detect U Boats. Britain had her own thanks very much

en.wikipedia.org...

3) Yes. Britain can claim The Computer.

en.wikipedia.org...

Sorry to burst your bubble old boy.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: crazyewok

well....if we take away their beer and make them drink ours, it may cause them to start an invasion to right a wrong.

but we do have an ability to manage a long stretching empire via our technology. Not that I want to see us continue doing what we do, by any stretch.

You have the ability. But it has shown strains. Vietnam and Afghanistan has stretched your forces to its limits.

But that's normal for any supper power.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Yep.. that would definetly do it .. feel sorry for you lot not being able to drink real beer ...

a reply to: simsumre

It was the mid 70's through to the 80's and late 80's, everything had a sense of potential, the American dream from movies to start-up Silicon Valley giants to great music.

Now America is fast becoming the set out of "Escape from New York"

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Expat888


China censors the internet and you say they are more free then Americans??

Okay.

If America is so effing bad they need to tell that to Mexicans, and other south and central American illegal immigrants.

As they come hell or high water running for this country.

Something they don't do elsewhere like China,etc.

true that

Now however, I think many come to America with a different agenda, and have been for a long time.

True, for sure. Americans have had it too good for way too long & had indeed, long ago, become soft, selfish & apathetic. This is also spreading, by intent & design, across the rest of the western world too. So once America does fall off the perch, & its already starting to look pretty pale & wobbly, the rest of the western world had better wake up & know that they are meant soon to follow.

Does anyone believe there will be a WORLD to remember anything if America falls ?

We have made mistakes for sure and the biggest one was helping anyone. At this point we should pull back and let the world take on the ISIS's of the world... I'm sure they would do a fine job...kind of like they are doing now.

originally posted by: crazyewok

But that's normal for any supper power.

is that a "fat American" joke?



To be honest, the worst part of America is our military. The ability to be part of the salvation of humanity....twisted into something that seems to yield the opposite result.

America will not go down from the external terrorist boogeyman, it will implode from internal unstablity and will be plundered by circling vultures.

Empires always fall when they are divided, and America is a divided country on many grounds.

Edit:

How will world remember it?

I would say something along the lines of "There was a empire in the west that gave birth to many useful invention, but it was corrupted and controlled by greed and spread destruction around the world.. in the end it decayed from within."

a reply to: Kryties
Well ,I can see your view point. A look at the larger picture would show that the every day average American is a good honest person struggling to work hard for their family and person. Our government has disconnected from the people probably around 2001 when the 9ii event occurred. The Great Recession has widened the gap even further. The whole system needs revaluated and reorganized by someone efficient at cost cutting and connecting to the people's issues of importance. I stopped watching the news back in 2001 because everything was out of control and upsetting. I have been to Europe four times in the last decade, and was astonished at how we are viewed as a country. It was deeply embarrassing I assure you. The big problem now is all the financial scams going on here. It really is a huge problem with people taking advantage of each other and stealing credit card information and people's identity. Quite a few of these issues seem to be coming from Mexico and India. Everyone has their issues and problems, and it is global I assure you. I guess its what we all deal with while being alive is justice and equality for all hardworking individuals. We have a lot of freeloaders who have taken advantage of our society through socialistic style programs in welfare, food stamps, and health care, free cell phones, free college educations. These people need to contribute to society and give back in positive ways. We are a four hundred year work in progress trying to work it out daily.