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They call me a socialist because I want food production on the basic levels to be community ran, that I want everyone to have medical care, and that I want the individual rights of a person to be given more weight than corporations. It is all in the rules and how society is structured anything can be accomplished if there is agreement. I want everyone to be as happy as they can, but when it comes to issues that effect life, liberty, and happiness I want those things to be ran not for any profit of any class or group of men, or any family. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...
kind of hard for an abstract idea to pick up tools, eh
Earlier this year, the most reliable way for a billionaire to make the headlines was to compare suggested tax increases to Nazi Germany. Lately, though, the more interesting shift in the politics of the plutocracy has been more genteel.
There will be more Hitler analogies, of course, but another camp among the superrich is starting to tack in the opposite direction. Some plutocrats accept the evidence that capitalism is no longer working for the middle class, and are trying to figure out what to do about that.
It is not just George Soros, the hedge-fund billionaire, who cheerfully describes himself as a class traitor and has been worrying about the shortcomings of what he calls free-market fundamentalism for decades, anymore. Among the plutocrats, this once-radical perspective is going mainstream.
originally posted by: ExPostFacto
a reply to: Semicollegiate
I must say this, our Constitution does not advocate for any particular economic system. In fact there is a good group of people who believe our founding fathers wanted a hybrid social/capitalistic economic system. Only those things necessary for to a persons survival was his right, everything else was subject to laws which the public allowed individuals to own. [
"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.” www.marksquotes.com...
Friedrich Hayek Nobel Laureate in Economics 1974
It may be admitted that, so far as scientific knowledge is concerned, a body of suitably chosen experts may be in the best position to command all the best knowledge available... [Yet] scientific knowledge is not the sum of all knowledge... [A] little reflection will show that there is ... the knowledge of the particular circumstances of time and place. It is with respect to this that practically every individual has some advantage over all others in that he possesses unique information of which beneficial use might be made, but of which use can be made only if the decisions depending on it are left to him or are made with his active cooperation.
originally posted by: freakwars
a reply to: Semicollegiate
You're calling the Germany of Bismarck a socialist government? This is just equivocation now. Not a single one of those government abolished private ownership of the means of production. Thus, not socialist.
Socialists invented the term socialism and the term capitalism. Your twisting of those words beyond recognition is sophistry pure and simple.
State Socialism was a term introduced to describe Otto von Bismarck's social welfare policies. The term was actually coined by Bismarck's liberal opposition but later accepted by Bismarck. They refer to a set of social programs implemented between 1884 to 1889 as remedial measures to appease the working class and detract support for socialism and the Social Democratic Party of Germany following earlier attempts to achieve the same objective through Bismarck's anti-socialist laws.
Taxing does not confiscate the means of production. Taxing mostly confiscates that which was stolen from the workers by the bosses in the form of profit.