Capitalism doesn't and IS NOT working, it's destructive and creatives poor social incentives

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posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 08:58 AM
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Yes I am saying it,

CAPITALISM DOESN'T and IS NOT WORKIG

Ok I know what your response is going to be, it's not capitalism it's an oligarchy, it's crony capitalism, it's everything else. But guess what, capitalism is what brought us into the oligarchy it's what got us into this mess.

It creates social incentives for greed and wealth and does not benefit humanity as a whole it benefits the top percentage of greedy wealthy sociopaths at the top who understand it best.

We need to come up with a system that doesn't require people to starve, doesn't pollute the earth and destroy the rainforest, that doesn't enslave Africa and South America.

So people any suggestions ?
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posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 09:02 AM
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We may try Contrubitionism perhaps ?

2pence



posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

but it is THEIRS.

it's THEIRS, goddammitt.


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posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

We're not in a system of capitalism. We never have been. EVER.

Traditional capitalism is a system of private ownership where owners try and use free market to make profit(in other words, no government control/ownership).

The current system we are in is in no way capitalism. Corporatism definitely.

But lets just call corporations what they really are...which are appendages of the government that exist only because of laws that disrupt private ownership and the forces of the free market.

There is no "private" ownership anywhere in the world. There is no "free-market"...save maybe Bitcoin as being a close contender.

Edit 9:07 cst:

Also capitalism does promote proper behavior because it promotes mutual best interest. The trade of self-interests is the only type of business that works in the long run. When government starts being used as a tool to violently steal from one group and give to another, all morality is out the _ Those systems are also not based on private ownership but rather government ownership(as is the case in the United States. No individual "owns" anything)

Again, there has never been a truly capitalistic system. It is the same as anarchy, which again has never existed.

That is all.
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posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 09:16 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

For whom is it not working for?

Everyone?



posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 09:17 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

I get the impression that you prefer 'Corporatism' as the path and Google Inc. as the model...

irregardless of privacy issues, meta-data mining & handing over data on everyone to NSA...the 4th Reich is all around us
and our Congress/SCOTUS/POTUS are pawns of the Corporate/'Military-Industrial Complex'/fascist state

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posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: beezzer

The benefit of humanity.



posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 09:22 AM
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Call it whatever you want but look at the country and say it working for the majority. Legalized theft.


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posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 09:30 AM
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The Bankers control of money is and has the final say in the matter .Take that control away from them and the laws that allow monopolies and then the little guys will be able to work .It is our labor that should have the biggest worth but they have the system turned upside down .



posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 09:39 AM
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You are correct but it is not working because of monopoly, by that I mean corporate monopoly and there is the problem a free market is a perfect ideology but that is all it is and it's adherants are no different in that to adherents of the opposite idiology's.
Capitalism on a leash is the only workable system but corruption at government level and corporate lobby's coupled with free trade prevent any action to curtail the spiral of wealth inequality which has accelerated since the gat world trade agreement was signed prevent any action being feasible to stop them and only another summit similar to the gat world trade summit to reverse the damage that did can now stop it but we will never see that happen, the alternative is a world war as that will allow a reset of the international corporate policy's if the governments take control of the corporate assets for the duration and a reboot is the only way to fix this headlong dive our nations are taking into class extremism of wealthy minority versus previously well off poor.
Horrible as it sounds it is inevitible that this will be the eventual outcome of the gat trade agreement organization's tampering with our economy's for there personal power and greed and unfortunately the historians are likely to downplay there part in the eventual coming calamity.
And also how long before the nations so pressed and divided internally realize the error of there way's is yet to be seen but remember the french revolution started just precisely because of this kind of class inequality as did the russian one (Though communism is not something we want at least from a personal freedom point of view or a personal asset one).
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posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 09:45 AM
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An odd double post
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posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 09:56 AM
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Michael Tillinger is the Pioneering Ace in CONTRIBUTIONISM with his UBUNTU MOVEMENT and after reading his book I am fully supportive of it. Once word had spread across the globe the general public will completely awaken - their eyes at the moment are now opening but I'm afraid the common man still needs to get out of the box and stop allowing themselves to be divided by those at the steering wheel.
The seeds have been sewn already with this movement but like any strong tree it will take a long time to grow. Word is spreading though - 'FROM A TINY ACORN GROWS A MIGHTY OAK'.
We can discuss all the 'ISMs' in the world till the cows come home but this is the only one that will work for the majority. a reply to: 23432

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posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 10:02 AM
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It is consumerism that is actually bad, not Capitalism. We actually don't have capitalism anyway, we used to have more. In capitalism people can start a small business and provide necessities to other people in the community and make a living. It can be hijacked by greed as can every type of system which is evident all over the world.

Back when I was a kid, capitalism was more apparent, but now it is big corporations that have taken over. Also the internet makes it hard for small businesses to get started because people can order things easily and cheaper. This destroys the American dream, it destroys jobs in the community. The UPS drivers are way overworked and people want free or cheap shipping so the drivers are under payed for the work they do. The Economy in the USA is very fragile, it is lopsided and we are at risk of failure more than we ever were.

But that is life in this new world. We have become too dependent on the present system, that is dangerous. The American dream is fading and may soon become a nightmare. It can be fixed, but the government just throwing money at unnecessary projects will not accomplish this. We need neighborhood markets again, corporations can supply these. We need to promote small business growth in neighborhoods not big chain stores where you have to travel miles to get to them. We need to promote small business formation to produce things yet make sure these companies are pretty ECO friendly....we can't let them cause too much pollution but we also can't choke them so they fail.

Oh well, this is a pipe dream. An American dream that has flown to China.



posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 10:03 AM
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Indeed.

Any system that exploits the majority for the benefit of a few is to be condemned.

It's why America - the whole world in fact - is in such a dire mess.

The problem...what to replace it with.



posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 10:07 AM
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CONTRIBUTIONISM is the ONLY way. a reply to: CJCrawley



posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 10:07 AM
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Amen brotha!

Our natural tendencies make it impossible for any of the other isms to work either. We need to vote in Bloomberg for Pres. Then he can ban Sodas all around, and all other sugary drinks, or any other unhealthy substances. Yep, bacon and any other fried foods too. Then he'll start with guns and move forward to anything that's disposable. In the end, they'll ban advertising all together, because only things we don't absolutely need are advertised... We'll all have a pretty little cage, eat crackers and be happy.


For the record I am absolutely not a fan of Bloomberg.

Religion can't help us, government can't help us, even being educated doesn't seem to have much of an effect. The problem is we just don't know when to stop and we take way too much without consideration of the natural world.

Until we start literally beating the idea into each other's heads that it's suicidal to live this way, we are doomed. We are like carpenter ants eating away at the inside of the only tree, munching away without knowing they'll all die once they've eaten everything. Somehow we inherited the ability to make our world a small place and we consume it in such a big way.

What is capitism but the freedom to consume at any rate you can manage? It's like a free pass to go out there and build a machine that consumes faster than anyone else's so that you will be most successful. Pardon my French but it's F-ing ridiculous. The only answer to this whole absurd mess is so out of reach from anyone's consideration that one can't even get started talking about a real solution lest he loses his audience.


Our economy is based on how much of a rate that we consume. If we really wanted to build a stable and healthy foundation for our children and theirs, then the first thing we would do is take our prized economy up off it's pretty little mantel and we would smash it on the floor. It's failed us and our children and it deserves to be smashed to pieces.

Don't listen to me I don't know anything, but it sure felt good to say that.



posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 10:20 AM
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The founders tried to get it closer to right with the constitution and bill of rights.

The constitution and bill of rights were written to protect the freedom of real live flesh and blood dudes and dudettes, not fictional corporate entities, government entities or business.

Capitalism isn't all that good either really because it's more like "takeadvantageism" or "exploitism" ...

There are other ways of doing things that work better, but the criminals who run the world don't like competition and keep us all arguing about meaningless distractions so nothing changes.



posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 10:31 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

Insane asylum for life for all who bully and manipulate others into power pyramid schemes starting with all politicians and bankers?



posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: OrphanApology

Capitalism breeds greed and one winner in the end thru monopoly/oligopoly. That the winners create Ponzi schemes that trickle up wealth faster thru government by taxes is just a way to do it faster. The only way to have a fair capitalism is for everyone to have the same start over and over again.



posted on Jun, 8 2014 @ 10:44 AM
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Monopolies only last because of government law. The same can be said of business cartels. Without laws, unfair systems cannot be sustained. The only time it continues is when there is a group with a monopoly on violence that forces unfair advantages to continue unnaturally(government).

Greed is only as good as the people around you who accept it. In a case where there is a system where no group has a monopoly on violence, long term greed that abuses others could not be sustained. Mutual self interest is the only type of trade that can continue. While you may be greedy and want things for yourself, to get them in a free-market requires also giving others what they want. It is the trade off that makes that type of system fair.

Any system that uses violence to "force" people to do things is a system that is corrupt and evil. You say the only way to have things is to have everyone start over again, but at what cost are you willing to "force" people to do that? Is your expectation that a violent system such as that will somehow breed morality?

Violence will never create PEACE.

Ever.

It is impossible.





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