I have a strong feeling that Iran wont get any nukes as long as Israel is around and as long as the US keeps away its actions of the useless UN (Unwanted Nobodies).

[edit on 11-12-2004 by Justice Fighter]

Originally posted by Justice Fighter
I have a strong feeling that Iran wont get any nukes as long as Israel is around and as long as the US keeps away its actions of the useless UN (Unwanted Nobodies).

i think its the other way round the US is a unwanted nobodies who thinks it can go in guns blazing in any country it wants.
which also thinks to its god given right to do so.

( the US and Iran are alike )
Iran led by extreme muslims
USA led by extreme christians


Justice Fighter
one question
on your flag it say united we stand
but isnt your country more devided of the war

[edit on 11-12-2004 by bodrul]

Originally posted by DrHoracid
Been to Tehran, have many Iranian friends. Heard "death to america" first hand. Spoken directly to several "mullahs". They are currently "allowing" some freedoms among the youth in order to improve the economy to pay for weapons against "the great satan". Once done the revolutinary guard is BACK. Anything else ther SEP.

That is great to hear. When was the date you travled there (if you dont mind me asking). And also did you go there for any special reason? And also which parts of Tehran did you visit? I lived in Gisha for most of my life so I was wondering how the tower of Milad is going.

Originally posted by DrHoracid
They are currently "allowing" some freedoms among the youth in order to improve the economy to pay for weapons against "the great satan".

How does improving freedoms "improve the economy"?

Originally posted by DrHoracid
Once done the revolutinary guard is BACK.

What do you mean they are "back"? They are currently 350K strong and are responsible for many things including the shutting down of an Iranian international airport and currently hold the Shahab 3 and are theones who arrested the British troops when they entered the Iranian side of the boarded. Again what do you mean they will come "back"?

Originally posted by DrHoracid
Been to Tehran, have many Iranian friends. Heard "death to america" first hand. Spoken directly to several "mullahs".

You speak Talysh?

By the way, nice thread. If the Americans here represent just half of their citizenship, I am afraid that America is as braindead as their "supposed" enemies. I read trashcan of extreme opinions

Man if the guys that are pro-American weren't actually American I would read their posts with more attention....but....it just sound so typical if an American says that Iran is a threat to their country and wants some sort of "aggresion". I know Sep is Iranian and he is on the other side and that might be typical too but listen, Sep actually says things that have ground unlike you yanks.

I can actually reinforce some of his claims; Iam Iranian too. born in Tehran, Raised in Tehran, and Iam very proud of it. I can tell you that what some of you people THINK you know about the Iranian people, you are wrong. Now let me set some things straight.

First of all, the Nuke situation. America says Iran has nukes. America also said Iraq had nukes...(but that is another story). Suppose the yanks are right. SO WHAT??????

Iran is not going to use its nukes on American soil. Iran won't even give the nukes to terrorists because as some other people on ATS have said, the mullahs have a limit to what they supply to groups. If you think they will give nukes to terrorists so that they can use them on American soil, well then please ask yourself just once: why haven't they done that with chemical and bio weapons?

Iran has proven itself to be much more peaceful than America in the last century so why should anyone listen to the US anyway? I personally think America is just jealous that yet another country will have the 'bomb'. every day that passes, the US can't really push her weight around like she could the previous day.

Another thing, let me just say Iam not muslim (in fact I dont believe in any religion but Iam not an Athiest). I too want the terrorsits gone but warmongering simply will not do it.

I have a message to all Americans...


America is a modern empire. There have been empires before it that have collapsed and follow an implosion type of pattern, meaning that they have collpased from the inside. Can't you see that at the moment, America is doing more harm than good? why can't you all stand up to your so called 'free' government and demand that you want 10% of US income sent to a 3rd world country every year? why can't you all stand up as a whole population and say: look, in order for the world to be a more peaceful place, we have to show peace too,lets disable half of our Nuke stockpile. Why don't you take charge of the government; after all that is why democracy is. If you can't do that, then what is the difference between your gov. system and the current theocratic regime of Iran (which might just fall too due to the emerging generation having enough of the mullah BS).

IF you do SOME of the things i mentioned above, don't you think that terrorist won't target you anymore. Hell even if they do the world will be on your side (truly, not just the leader saying that-----the whole country). People will be on your side because they see that you are helping others yet you are being terrorised. And then you might actually be able to give yourselves the right to go on a killing spree.

Please think about that for a second and in the future discuss this topic as if you have no nationality.....that's what I have been trying to do in my post...and im 14. So please, think.

Thank You.

to Sep:

bandeh vaghe'an khoshhalam ke yek hamvatani hastesh mesle shoma ke enghadr fahm va shoor dareh.



[edit on 11-12-2004 by Conqueror]

I agree the only way to stop evil is to destroy it but we have to be realistic here. Iran is not the boogyman its being made out to be. Change can come from within and the people of Iran want change. Its not like iran is a dictatorship like Iraq were you can be put through a meatgrinder for wanting to change the establishment. Change can come through the legal governmental actions of the people. Cracking down on Iran only reinforces the position of the hardliners making it that much more unlikely that change will come through peaceful means and because the people are scared of being invaded by the "Great Satan" they will accept this as a consequence of remaining safe. Much like Americans after 911.

Besides the people who want to conquer the world and make it muslim are Wahabi and last I checked Wahabiism originated from our stalwart ally Saudi Arabia which on the other hand is a true dictatorship. When was the last time anyone heard of a free election in Saudi Arabia that great bastion of democracy?

[edit on 11-12-2004 by boogyman]

@Conqueror

Kheyli mokhlesim dadash.

Originally posted by DrHoracid
I realize all too well that true Iranians aren't really Islamic by nature. Get the "clerics" out while you can. GW is coming to make it happen no matter what. If done from the inside it will be a lot cleaner. But make no mistake it is going to happen. Maybe you could make a deal and get the land east of the ancient "rivers" back.

I wish it were that easy. These people we are talking about are criminals who are not afraid to kill for their purposes. Just like the pigs in the book"Animal Farm" , they have their dogs which are prepared to tear anybody who disagrees with them. They have a foreign legend made up of mainly Arab terrorist from- Sudan,Lybia and Syria, etc - which are paid and trained to suppress any Iranian uprising. We can not do it by ourselves. We need peacekeepers at least to take care of the dogs.

On top of that there are issues to be addressed like what do you do with these criminal once you capture them? Do you even bother capturing them?

I guess if you want the revolt to come from inside you have to give Iran another 10 years! now the question is do we have 10 years?

just some points to think about.

Sep,
Islam needs some major reforms, the version of Islam that I want gone is the one exercised by the Mullah's of Iran. The version that asks for blind obedience and is not prepare to accept differences. The one that issues a murder order just because of writing a book! The one that expects for all the world to become Muslim. The version that tells you which foot to use when entering a toilet and yes there are rules in Islam which tell you what foot to use when entering and exiting a toilet!

it is simple either Islam evolves or it and all its followers die! simple as that.



[edit on 12-12-2004 by zurvan]

Originally posted by zurvan
Sep,
Islam needs some major reforms, the version of Islam that I want gone is the one exercised by the Mullah's of Iran. The version that asks for blind obedience and is not prepare to accept differences. The one that issues a murder order just because of writing a book! The one that expects for all the world to become Muslim. The version that tells you which foot to use when entering a toilet and yes there are rules in Islam which tell you what foot to use when entering and exiting a toilet!

it is simple either Islam evolves or it and all its followers die! simple as that.

First: Just wodering, what religion do you follow? Your ideas seem to be that of a Zartosht but I just wanted to be sure.

Second: A religion can not be reformed by man. The Mullahs have tried changing it and look at where they are now. When there is a need for reform a new religion will appear.

Originally posted by Sep

Originally posted by zurvan
Sep,
Islam needs some major reforms, the version of Islam that I want gone is the one exercised by the Mullah's of Iran. The version that asks for blind obedience and is not prepare to accept differences. The one that issues a murder order just because of writing a book! The one that expects for all the world to become Muslim. The version that tells you which foot to use when entering a toilet and yes there are rules in Islam which tell you what foot to use when entering and exiting a toilet!

it is simple either Islam evolves or it and all its followers die! simple as that.

First: Just wodering, what religion do you follow? Your ideas seem to be that of a Zartosht but I just wanted to be sure.

Second: A religion can not be reformed by man. The Mullahs have tried changing it and look at where they ar

e now. When there is a need for reform a new religion will appear.

Well this could potentially get really hot so I am not gonna go there, in short religion was created by man and yes it can \ has been reformed by man.

Do you think Christianity practiced today by church is the same one that was practiced in the middle ages? or at the time of acquisition?

What Mullahs tryed to reform Islam? that is a news flash! they are excersising a pure and old version of Islam there is no reform in what they have done.

Originally posted by zurvan
Well this could potentially get really hot so I am not gonna go there, in short religion was created by man and yes it can \ has been reformed by man.

We have very diffrent opinions, but it is not for this thread

Do you think Christianity practiced today by church is the same one that was practiced in the middle ages? or at the time of acquisition?

It has changed, but I think we can all agree that it does not have the same affect on normal people as it used to.

What Mullahs tryed to reform Islam?

Grand Ayatolah Montazeri, Khatam, Rafsanjani, there are many more.

that is a news flash!

You could call it a news flash, because it is happening as we speak, but you could also call it history. Which ever one suits you.

they are excersising a pure and old version of Islam there is no reform in what they have done.

No. That is, IMHO, wrong. There is nothing pure about them telling people to step into the toilet with their left feet. They excercise what suits themselves best. In the Quran it says: "deal kindly and justly with those who have not fought against you because of your religion and who have not expelled you from your homes" an this is just one example of how they have not followed Islam. There are many other examples.

Originally posted by Sep


No. That is, IMHO, wrong. There is nothing pure about them telling people to step into the toilet with their left feet. They excercise what suits themselves best. In the Quran it says: "deal kindly and justly with those who have not fought against you because of your religion and who have not expelled you from your homes" an this is just one example of how they have not followed Islam. There are many other examples.

yeah selective choice of article from Quran! I am sure that is not the line they used when they invaded Iran to make it become moslem.

sep are you sure you are not Muslim? what is your religion then?

yeah selective choice of article from Quran! I am sure that is not the line they used when they invaded Iran to make it become moslem.

As I said, this is real Islam, when they invaded Iran they changed Islam therefore it became a human creation. If they had followed the true Islam, the Quran, they wouldnt have invaded Iran.


[edit on 13-12-2004 by Sep]