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California Shootings Elliot Rodger Conspiracy.

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posted on May, 27 2014 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: InhaleExhale

I wouldnt bother. This is no different than those that claim fake on Sandy Hook. Its a fetish. There is some intangible NEED for them to prove this is fake.




posted on May, 27 2014 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: captaintyinknots
a reply to: cocointelpro

For the second time, what a crock.

"Its societies fault for having cliques". BS. The majority of people out there are not members of these organizations. And the majority dont go kill women because "they owe something".

Quit making excuses for that mentally ill, psychotic, sociopathic piece of trash.


The fact that a minority of the population causes inequality, that they have unfair advantages over others, is certainly a contributing cause to a case like this. It's because others have an unfair advantage in society that crime is committed period. This case highlights an important problem in society, why poor people commit crime, why elitists get away with rape and sexual assault. So go ahead, defend rape and sexual assault all you want. I agree there is no excuse for lashing out against society in this manner, we cannot excuse these violent actions. Just remember that this is merely one dangerous outcome of a society which harbors elitist groups such as frat houses, sororities, and groups like the freemasons. Society has to critically examine why these things occur, an it has nothing to do with gun control. It has everything to do with elitism.

It has everything to do with standards set by culture, society, and in this case it was largely influenced by the culture and nature of fraternities and sororities. You can't get around this when reading the manifesto. You should quit making excuses for elitist groups, and quit showing us your true colors.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: InhaleExhale

Just because I believe the father is acting doesn't mean I have answers to these impossible questions. I think his press conference is full of #. How convenient that he's asking for more stripping of rights of citizens that 1) never commit gun crimes and 2) could have stopped this criminal from killing anyone. How convenient that he's plastered on the media and being massaged as a grieving father. That's not grieving - that's straight up agenda. I actually feel bad for you if you can not at least, consider this as a possibility. You stand high on your podium and feel like Capt. America - who can empathize with anyone and it's disrepectful to consider, that this event would be used to push even more agenda down our throats. Why do they hire crisis actors in your opinion? Why do they even exist? Does the fact that they do bother you? Is it okay to question official narrative? Why should you feel like you're able to treat me as a lowered-tier citizen that should be punished for my thoughts? There's plenty of questions to ask of this event. There's plenty of evidence of propaganda being tossed around these events.

I realize that I'm going to get nowhere with you and you're 10x the better resident of this country because you're never going to consider the conspiracy side. I'm okay with the fact that you think this. It won't keep me from being vigilant because I walked out of Plato's cave long ago. I'm no longer shackled by official narrative and placing authority higher than truth. I'm never looking back either. No matter the ridicule



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: cocointelpro




The fact that a minority of the population causes inequality, that they have unfair advantages over others, is certainly a contributing cause to a case like this. It's because others have an unfair advantage in society that crime is committed period.
No, it doesnt. This scumbag was mad that girls didnt like him. He was jealous of the guys that girls did like. If it wasnt frats, it would have been athletes.




This case highlights an important problem in society, why poor people commit crime
Oh, I get it. You havent researched the topic.

For the record, this kids family is quite well off.




So go ahead, defend rape and sexual assault all you want.

What the hell are you even taking about here? YOU are the person making excuses for this scumbag.




Just remember that this is merely one dangerous outcome of a society which harbors elitist groups such as frat houses, sororities, and groups like the freemasons.


Your arms tired yet from all that stretching?




Society has to critically examine why these things occur, an it has nothing to do with gun control. It has everything to do with elitism.
Except, again, this kid came from a fairly prominent, (read: elite) family. Do some research.




You can't get around this when reading the manifesto.

You ought to try reading it again. This kid was mad that girls didnt like him, and that they did like others. Thats it.





You should quit making excuses for elitist groups, and quit showing us your true colors.
Again, what the hell are you talking about? Saying that this isnt about that is not defending anything. Its pointing out the facts. As desperate as you are to tie this to freemasons, there is no connection. ALl you are doing is making excuses for a psycho.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 02:39 PM
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Americans make up 5% of the world's population, yet consume (prescribed)50% of pharmaceuticals made worldwide. Our culture is over drugged with so-called "legal" drugs whose side affects are more harmful than the condition for which they are prescribed. And even if you don't take a prescription, they are still ingested through the drinking water, food, and the air we breathe. Most Americans can't deal with reality. See anti-depressants. Point is most of the mentally unbalanced violent people have taken some sort of med. Look it up.


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posted on May, 27 2014 @ 02:48 PM
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As you can see I have been around ATS for awhile but rarely do I ever post. A lot of the bickering and silliness that goes on here at ATS turns me off so I just keep to myself. This thread is a perfect example this but I felt the need to post.

For those that are researching this tragedy, here is a link to Elliot Rodger's "alt" YouTube account.

Elliot Rodger's 2nd Youtube account.

The link should bring you to all his YouTube posts over the years on this 2nd account. If you notice, his post go all the way back to back 5 years. They contain comments that match up with his time line for when he played World of Warcraft and watched Game of Thrones as he states he does in his manifesto. This is definitely Elliot Rodgers 2nd YouTube account. If you have been researching you will notice immediately by his comments that it is indeed him.

And please people. If you have not read his manifesto and only watched Elliot Rodger's YouTube clips you should not even be commenting on this thread. You just make yourselves look silly to the people who are doing honest research on this and some of ATS members posts stick out like a sore thumbs that you have not read the manifesto.

Many wrongs have been done here with the most serious and unfortunate being Elliot Rodger's day of redemption. When he crossed the line he became a killer and a murderer and no one can justify that. Problem for me is that before he crossed the line this tragedy may have been prevented as there were many signs he sent out to his family, friends and roommates.

To me this is not about guns or gun control, its about mental illness. No gun control laws or anything of that nature would have changed a single thing. Elliot Rodger's was able to buy 3 guns with a background of having mental illness. How did this happen? The system failed us and made it easy for him. The system was put in place to prevent this and they failed. Some will say if guns were not allowed this would never had happened. No that is incorrect. He killed 3 with a knife before using the gun. If guns were banned Elliot Rodgers would still be mentally ill and still end up a killer. He would have found an alternate means rather than a gun. Maybe a bomb which would have been much worse.

After seeing this 2nd YouTube account, along with other research that I have done. I have come to the conclusion that this is NOT a conspiracy or false flag event. This is just a mentally ill person crying out for help while building up rage and frustration from being ignored. He unfortunately slipped through the cracks and crossed a line that should have never been crossed.

In the end this all comes back to mental illness for me. If he had proper care and supervision, which he clearly should have had, chances are very slim this would have happened. For those that want gun laws, well at least its being debated where as mental illness is still put on the back burner and ignored. Such a shame.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: captaintyinknots
a reply to: cocointelpro




The fact that a minority of the population causes inequality, that they have unfair advantages over others, is certainly a contributing cause to a case like this. It's because others have an unfair advantage in society that crime is committed period.

No, it doesnt. This scumbag was mad that girls didnt like him. He was jealous of the guys that girls did like. If it wasnt frats, it would have been athletes.

***Those are social standards that people subscribe to. Those are pushed onto the youth everyday in the media, and in pop culture. You can't deny this. Western culture is sex-driven, he clearly outlined this social expectation that in college one is to "get laid" , and he didn't "get laid". That sort of notion should not be pushed onto people***




This case highlights an important problem in society, why poor people commit crime
Oh, I get it. You havent researched the topic.

For the record, this kids family is quite well off.

***This goes to show, no one is safe from the dangerous outcomes of these social standards set upon us by the media and western culture***



So go ahead, defend rape and sexual assault all you want.

What the hell are you even taking about here? YOU are the person making excuses for this scumbag.

***You are actively defending fraternities, by saying this isn't their fault. The culture of fraternities is often associated with rape and sexual assault, you think this is normal ? that this should be ? That's sick. You are essentially defending the common crimes associated with the culture of fraternities, namely rape and sexual assault.***



Just remember that this is merely one dangerous outcome of a society which harbors elitist groups such as frat houses, sororities, and groups like the freemasons.


Your arms tired yet from all that stretching?

***Nope!***



Society has to critically examine why these things occur, an it has nothing to do with gun control. It has everything to do with elitism.
Except, again, this kid came from a fairly prominent, (read: elite) family. Do some research.

***That proves no one is safe from the outcome of a society that values elitism in fraternities, and groups like the freemasons***



You can't get around this when reading the manifesto.

You ought to try reading it again. This kid was mad that girls didnt like him, and that they did like others. Thats it.

***Once again, this had everything to do with social standards that are pushed onto the youth***



You should quit making excuses for elitist groups, and quit showing us your true colors.
Again, what the hell are you talking about? Saying that this isnt about that is not defending anything. Its pointing out the facts. As desperate as you are to tie this to freemasons, there is no connection. ALl you are doing is making excuses for a psycho.


You are so transparent. Everyone reading these posts should ask themselves why are you defending the masons ? Why do you defend elitism ? I had told you that I do not excuse the crimes that had been committed, you strangely overlooked that fact. I had already pointed out the connection to masonry in my last post, if you care to mention points that defeat your argument. Stop showing us your true colors, stop defending elitism. Stop defending rape and sexual assault.

Get back to your lodge buddy, or whatever circle of obviously intelligent people you belong to.
edit on 5272014 by cocointelpro because: Better stop replying to my arguement if you dont want this thread to focus on our topic!




posted on May, 27 2014 @ 02:57 PM
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*** ATTENTION ALL ***

The insults and personal attacks stop right now.

Focus on the actual topic and not on each other.

Thank you.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: cestrup




Just because I believe the father is acting doesn't mean I have answers to these impossible questions.


Sorry


I thought people don't make up beliefs out of thin air and they come from the knowledge they have gained on a subject.

Even imagination comes from a knowledge base.




That's not grieving - that's straight up agenda.


It cant be both?

You said the father was faking.

No doubt many will use this to push their own agendas, what was the fathers?

What was fake? these are your beliefs.

Was it the fathers agenda to help gun control, is he a real father or an actor.




I actually feel bad for you if you can not at least, consider this as a possibility. You stand high on your podium and feel like Capt. America - who can empathize with anyone and it's disrepectful to consider, that this event would be used to push even more agenda down our throats.


Was it you who said I was derailing earlier?

Where I have said its not possible that agendas could be at play by other groups?

I have been replying to posts claiming the event is fake, the father is fake or other unclear posts like that.

You can feel bad if you please but that is shows how you make stuff in your head maybe like you have with your opinion of him faking.

Whats he faking, his emotion. that his a father.

I keep asking because I haven't seen you make it clear.




Why should you feel like you're able to treat me as a lowered-tier citizen that should be punished for my thoughts?


Do I feel this way do I?

Punish you for your thoughts?

Sure if you see as explaining yourself and how you have come to where you are is punishment, then the way you got here must not be very honest or true.




and you're 10x the better resident of this country because you're never going to consider the conspiracy side.


What country?

Conspiracy side?

I could share some conspiracies but I don't wont to have the internet shut down





I'm okay with the fact that you think this.


I am OK that you think you are psychic.

I haven't given my thoughts on the Father or anyone involved.

I have asked those that scream fake to explain why, thats all.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 02:58 PM
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posted on May, 27 2014 @ 03:00 PM
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I will remind everyone once again why this has to do with freemasonry.

The fact that a minority of the population causes inequality, whether they are part of a college fraternity or a group like the freemasons means that they have unfair advantages over others, it is certainly a contributing cause to a case like this. It's because others have an unfair advantage in society, or a college campus, that crime is committed period. This case highlights an important problem in society, why poor people commit crime, why those who feel inadequate commit crime, why elitists get away with rape and sexual assault.

This is not to excuse crime, but rather to look at the cause of crime in order to prevent crime.
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posted on May, 27 2014 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: cestrup
a reply to: InhaleExhale
Am I aloud [sic] to think he's faking, Mr. Thought Police? Or is that totally inhumane of me?



I would use a stronger word than "inhumane."

You're making a heinous accusation which along with similar comments from others who are delusional and/or trolling will stay on the internet forever and not only pour salt in the wounds of the grieving but will subject people to possible future stalking and harassment as we have seen happen to Sandy Hook and Aurora victims.

It's libel for which you have zero evidence. Folks like you would be the first ones screaming about conspiracy and organized persecution if you were subject to anything like this but of course you won't be because you're hiding behind the safety of an anonymous account.

And I don't understand why this is on the front page of ATS. This is on the level of GLP.

It makes me feel as dirty as stumbling onto weird pornography.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: DelMarvel

I don't have any evidence of the father being fake/or an actor - I've explained this numerous times. I have said that his speech leads me to believe he's an actor. If he's not - I'll go about my day. I really won't feel bad because this is a discussion of possibilities about a horrible crime on a site that used to welcome this. Not anymore - your posts will be revered and all of your personal attacks (like that you'd describe me with a worse adjective than "inhumane") will be ignored. This new tactic of acting like I'm scum of the earth for believing our agenda-setters would prop up a crisis actor to work this crime to their benefit - well, it's really starting to work. And this site is suffering because of this. We no longer enjoy conversation- we rip at each other's throats at the mere thought of a disagreement. Sad times



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: DEV1L79

There's no conspiracy, dude. A girl I've dated several times had classes with the guy and he was f'ng nuts. As fake as you think his videos looked, that was him. he was a narcissistic a---hole that thought he was entitled to female affection. He was a spoiled, privileged little snot that shot people because he felt he was "owed" something. That is directly related to his upbringing and the fact his mother left his dad. He had mommy issues.

As much as the networks are milking this, there's no government conspiracy or false flag operation. He was a douchebag.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: UnBreakable
Americans make up 5% of the world's population, yet consume (prescribed)50% of pharmaceuticals made worldwide. Our culture is over drugged with so-called "legal" drugs whose side affects are more harmful than the condition for which they are prescribed. And even if you don't take a prescription, they are still ingested through the drinking water, food, and the air we breathe. Most Americans can't deal with reality. See anti-depressants. Point is most of the mentally unbalanced violent people have taken some sort of med. Look it up.


Most of thise drugs are to fight the diseases associated with old age and obesity related illnesses. You are a bit overmedicated though.

Nasty violent crazy people are medicated. They are mad before they are doped up, you see nasty unmedicated crazies in the developing world. Being a violent lunatic isn't created by drugs for the most part.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: LogicalRazor
a reply to: DEV1L79

There's no conspiracy, dude. A girl I've dated several times had classes with the guy and he was f'ng nuts. As fake as you think his videos looked, that was him. he was a narcissistic a---hole that thought he was entitled to female affection. He was a spoiled, privileged little snot that shot people because he felt he was "owed" something. That is directly related to his upbringing and the fact his mother left his dad. He had mommy issues.

As much as the networks are milking this, there's no government conspiracy or false flag operation. He was a douchebag.



Careful now, you're bringing facts into this. Any second now someone's going to accuse you of being a paid Government - CIA - Secular-Progressive shill who has a sideline in photoshopping Hawaiian birth certificates! Flee!
edit on 27-5-2014 by AngryCymraeg because: Typo



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: cocointelpro




***Those are social standards that people subscribe to. Those are pushed onto the youth everyday in the media, and in pop culture. You can't deny this. Western culture is sex-driven, he clearly outlined this social expectation that in college one is to "get laid" , and he didn't "get laid". That sort of notion should not be pushed onto people***
Sure. That has nothing to do with the freemasons. There will ALWAYS be people that are better looking, more charming, and more attractive to the opposite sex.




***This goes to show, no one is safe from the dangerous outcomes of these social standards set upon us by the media and western culture***
Thats funny. So 99.9% of america doesnt kill people based on these "social standards". But they are an excuse for the rare psycho that does.

Interesting perspective.




***You are actively defending fraternities, by saying this isn't their fault.
No Im not, because it isnt their fault. Fraternities didnt decide to go on a killing spree. This is about as asinine as blaming guns.

see, one can understand the disgusting nature of frats, without trying to use them as an excuse for a deranged lunatic.




The culture of fraternities is often associated with rape and sexual assault, you think this is normal ? that this should be ? That's sick. You are essentially defending the common crimes associated with the culture of fraternities, namely rape and sexual assault.***
Arms tired yet?




***That proves no one is safe from the outcome of a society that values elitism in fraternities, and groups like the freemasons***
This completely contradicts your previous statements that poor kids were socially outcasted from these groups and turn to crime.

Nice try though.




***Once again, this had everything to do with social standards that are pushed onto the youth***
No, it doesnt. It has to do with one mentally ill person.




You are so transparent.
Says the guy doing whatever he can to associate this with freemasonry.




Everyone reading these posts should ask themselves why are you defending the masons ?
Do me a favor and show me one place where I have defended masons. That I am not desperately trying to associate this with them is not the same as my defending them.

What everyone should really ask themselves is why you are feeling the need to lie and make false claims about other posters.




I had told you that I do not excuse the crimes that had been committed, you strangely overlooked that fact

You say that, then turn around and claim it wasnt his fault, it was the fault of frats and freemasons.




I had already pointed out the connection to masonry in my last post,
No, you havent. There is no connection.




Stop showing us your true colors, stop defending elitism. Stop defending rape and sexual assault.
Quoted to simply show what kind of poster you are.




Get back to your lodge buddy, or whatever circle of obviously intelligent people you belong to.
Stop with the ad hom and rhetoric. Defend your claim if you can. But I wont bite on the troll baiting.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: cocointelpro
I will remind everyone once again why this has to do with freemasonry.

The fact that a minority of the population causes inequality, whether they are part of a college fraternity or a group like the freemasons means that they have unfair advantages over others, it is certainly a contributing cause to a case like this. It's because others have an unfair advantage in society, or a college campus, that crime is committed period. This case highlights an important problem in society, why poor people commit crime, why those who feel inadequate commit crime, why elitists get away with rape and sexual assault.

This is not to excuse crime, but rather to look at the cause of crime in order to prevent crime.
So, explain to me, then, since this has everything to do with secret societies in your opinion, why 99% of the population, who arent a part of these groups, dont commit these types of crimes.

ill wait.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: AngryCymraeg

No, no, no. What facts did this guy bring to the table (I'm not saying he's lying, but there were no facts)? Am I supposed to believe any poster on the internet? Just because this post (void of facts) aligns with your beliefs about this event does not make it factual.



posted on May, 27 2014 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: captaintyinknots

originally posted by: cocointelpro
I will remind everyone once again why this has to do with freemasonry.

The fact that a minority of the population causes inequality, whether they are part of a college fraternity or a group like the freemasons means that they have unfair advantages over others, it is certainly a contributing cause to a case like this. It's because others have an unfair advantage in society, or a college campus, that crime is committed period. This case highlights an important problem in society, why poor people commit crime, why those who feel inadequate commit crime, why elitists get away with rape and sexual assault.

This is not to excuse crime, but rather to look at the cause of crime in order to prevent crime.
So, explain to me, then, since this has everything to do with secret societies in your opinion, why 99% of the population, who arent a part of these groups, dont commit these types of crimes.

ill wait.


If you had read my previous reply, I made reference to crimes that the poor commit. crimes like theft, selling drugs, these people arnt afforded the same opportunities that people in fraternities and groups like the masons are afforded. The majority of the population, people like the poor, are not masons, or part of a fraternity. They do not get the same opportunities. They are pressured into commiting crime. This isnt just about shootings sprees, I had explicitly mentioned to you time and time again this has to do with all crimes.

Once again, thank you for letting me know who you are. I have learned much.
edit on 5272014 by cocointelpro because: You shouldn't of slipped up like that.







 
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