Does Russia Being Kicked Out Of The G8 Fulfill Revelation 17:11?

Maigret
Also, look to the world outside you! Fukushima, chemtrails, HAARP, GWEN, fluoride in our drinking water...

And God said "Thou shalt not build HF transmitters, nor shalt thee build a LF groundwave transmitter network which, yea, hath not been functional for more than 40 days and 40 nights, as it hath been supplanted by satellite communications in its stead, yea, even unto surplusing the old equipment"

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hasatan is the ruler of the air. only for a short span though.

Bedlam

Maigret
Also, look to the world outside you! Fukushima, chemtrails, HAARP, GWEN, fluoride in our drinking water...

And God said "Thou shalt not build HF transmitters, nor shalt thee build a LF groundwave transmitter network which, yea, hath not been functional for more than 40 days and 40 nights, as it hath been supplanted by satellite communications in its stead, yea, even unto surplusing the old equipment"

You are mocking me because you can't see the evil in these things. Their destruction of us and our environment. The effects they have on our planet that ensure that there will be no means to sustain life, as to future generations...

None of this will go down in history, because there is no viable future.

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Because there IS no evil in these things. Certainly not apocalyptic eeeeeevil.

Maigret

Red Cloak

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FlyersFan
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The Vatican isn't on the seven hills of Rome.
And Rome isn't the only city on the planet to have seven hills.
Tehran. Amman Jordan. Jerusalem. Terumala India. Yonkers NYC. Staten Island NYC.
etc etc etc PLENTY of cities on the planet. But NOT the Vatican.

None of these other cities with seven hills fulfil the criteria or the clues...

I believe that Istanbul, Jerusalem, and Mecca all sit on 7 hills. Those seem to stand out as very obvious candidates, for very obvious reasons, much like Rome does. But in particular, from my knowledge of scripture, you could very easily make a strong case for Istanbul or Mecca.

So I am not so sure that you can just say Rome is this place.

Beyond that, you can very strongly also add in the symbolic references, and it can be taken that it references either New York City or Israel in general. It COULD be Rome. But the claim that it is without any doubt Rome is complete speculation and nothing more.

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Make your case then!

With your knowledge of scripture, let's hear how you explain any of the heads of these other cities you mention, as being the sixth, seventh or eighth kings, as ruling/reigning over other monarchs, as being guilty of the blood of saints, as being full of wickedness, as being arrayed (wearing) scarlet and purple, the ten horns, making war with the Lamb, etc.

You can't - and this is why none of those other cities fit!

I don't need to make a case for that. That was not the issue on topic here. And besides that, I already know it from my own knowledge of the scriptures. There is no need for me to waste time arguing with you over it, when clearly you have your mind made up on it.

chr0naut

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CirqueDeTruth
Well I'm intrigued, and eager to see what learned scholars of scripture has to say. Your thread did have me pulling up my bible to read the context of the chapter though..

Revelation 17:10-29

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the then horns which thous sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hours with the beast.

CdT

Althought there are translational and cultural confusions about this text (The Revelation of Christ was originally written in the Greek of two thousand years ago), some better understanding is to be made by looking at other Hebrew apocalyptic material like the Book of Daniel (which, I believe, is referring to the same events and time periods.

In daniel, each of the Kings is referring to Kingdoms or Empires or political systems.

Classically, these Kingdoms are believed to be as follows:

The Kingdom of Bablyon (Gold)
The Kingdom of the Medes and Pesians (Silver)
the Kingdom of the Greeks (Bronze)
The Kingdom of Pagan Roman Empire (Iron)
... and then a new "Kingdom" (Iron mixed with Clay) which is believed to represent modern political systems like Ecumenical rule, Democracy, Socialism & Communism.

It is only recently that people have been led to believe in a person of anti-christ. Prior to that anti-christ was seen as a kingdom, political movement or "spirit of the age".

These ancient civilisations are the traditional identifications of the Kingdoms referred to in Daniel, but there is no way that they will simply crumble and cease to exist when struck by the Messiah; who is the Rock cut without hand.

If you compare a timeline of these traditional kingdoms, against the religious nations that use the Holy Bible, you will see the stark difference. The King of Babylon was King over the Jewish nation at that time, thus is the Head of Gold. The next inferior silver kingdom formed in about 325 AD was the Greek/Eastern Orthodox Church, then the bronze Roman Catholic church which broke away in about 1015AD, and then the iron Protestants who broke away in about 1525AD. This second timeline continues today...

The feet of clay is not a metal, so it isn't a religious kingdom; it is a secular powerbase! This was formed by the Lateran Treaty signed in 1927 which made the Pope sovereign of a country, albeit the smallest in the world, but it put this religious leader on a secular par with the presidents, prime ministers and monarchs of other secular countries.

This powerbase has already given the Pope - Benedict, to be precise - the power and political clout to successfully negotiate with Israel, for a Seat at the Tomb of David. So it should be no surprise when the Antichrist / Abomination of Desolation (a false god/idol who will cause religious desolation) will be seen standing in the Holy Place...

Daniel was specifically sealed until the time of the end (Daniel 12:4), so it should be no surprise either that it is now an open book!

I think that you are applying the Statue prophecy to events far after is conclusion. Perhaps the destruction of the Statue was by Christ and represented the fall of Jerusalem and the end of the Hebrew nation in AD70? It is a far simpler and more consistent view than Dispensational adherents would like us to believe.

Therefore "the end times" = "the time of Jacobs troubles" = the fall of Jerusalem and the subsequent diaspora.

Oh, boy... does no one see that the S is about to hit the fan? It IS this generation that will see all the final and outstanding prophecies fulfilled.

If these prophecies were about the fall of Jerusalem and the end of the Hebrew nation in AD70, then where is the Kingdom of God that will destroy and replace ALL other [religious] kingdoms? This is stated in Daniel 2:44, in the dream of the Image, and in Daniel 7:27 in the description of the Little Horn.

Also, where is 'an end to all sins' in Daniel 9:24, and when will 'all these things will be finished' as in Daniel 12:7.

Also, look to the world outside you! Fukushima, chemtrails, HAARP, GWEN, fluoride in our drinking water, economic collapse, fracking, etc., greed, corruption, etc. You name it, it is all destroying this planet, to the point where it can no longer sustain life. Also, we are more slaves to the systems in place, then the Hebrews were to the Egyptians...

God has been silent for the last 2,000 years, but do you not think this is the time that He spoke about and the time as prophesied about, when He will act?

Jesus stated aim prior to His crucifixion was to bring the Kingdom of God to men. Your views would seem to make that mission a failure, but it isn't.

Christians were singled out from very early on as weirdos that would stay behind in plague towns to help the sick. They knew it was a death sentence for themselves and yet sacrificed their lives for others, sometimes aware that their "patients" would also succumb and all they could do was render comfort.

By far, the majority of hospitals, universities and charities were founded by Christians and spoke openly of their Christian aims.

Yes, there is evil in the world but it had always been there. Jesus really did start something new that endures to this day and it isn't some dogma or denomination. It is a personal spiritual path of millions of quiet and historically unreported people who have seen the mission is still in progress and who want to leave a world made better by their contribution. It isn't in some instant flash of Godly power, it is in an incremental process that allows for growth and maturity.

God is building His Kingdom into the world. Not through enforcement and legal mandate, but through a natural development, just like we see all around us in God's creation. It takes time, can often be painful and have retrograde steps, but it is definitely headed in an upward direction.

The ultimate goal of the human race is not just some biological high point. It encompasses all we can be. Physical, spiritual, cultural, legal, ethical and intellectual. God did not create us to be cavemen forever. He wants us to be "over the angels" in development, but I don't think it even stops there. God's goals and plans, formed from the love evident in His sacrifice, are beyond what we humans can see, you have to trust Him in that.

... but you can choose to participate in something bigger than the sweep of human history to date.

Your scenario would seem to indicate that things have been gradually and slowly improving in the world since the Son was here... I disagree. I think the world is in the worst position it's ever been in, in the whole of the history of mankind. Evil is flourishing and people are being exposed to its malignant tentacles at every turn.

No, I don't believe the Son of God failed - in any way, shape or form! I believe in the absolute power of God, so I also believe that He's in complete control, and that all things are working out according to exactly the way He planned it all.

I think we regard this reality as the final say, but I believe there is much more to come in the spiritual realms, where the suffering and evil that prevailed in the physical will be regarded as relatively unimportant.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

Yes they do. Bottom line - Vatican City is NOT on seven hills. The others are.


Those represent royalty and riches.
PLENTY of 'royalty' in the Islamic world in some of those cities I mentioned.
PLENTY of riches in NYC and the other cities.

Bottom line - The Vatican isn't on 7 hills. It just isn't.

Rome is on seven hills, and is listed that way even in travel books. You also can't deny the colors. You might disagree, but Rome/the Vatican is certainly a good candidate for that role.