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TDawg61
How ironic.Putin using the exact same excuses for invasion that Hittler did."To protect our people".So I guess the Russians figure they can annex ANY country that has a handful of Russian speaking people.My position is if they love Russia so much why don't they go home?
oblvion
TDawg61
How ironic.Putin using the exact same excuses for invasion that Hittler did."To protect our people".So I guess the Russians figure they can annex ANY country that has a handful of Russian speaking people.My position is if they love Russia so much why don't they go home?
Exactly, what next, Mexico gets to annex America because their people are here?
This is exactly what Hitler did all over eastern Europe.
And our "glorious" leaders are once again practicing the appeasement doctrine, that has always worked.
Everyone knows the only way to handle a bully, is to give him your lunch money, to appease him. He will finally be happy when you give it to him, and he will never come back demanding it again, because you gave him what he wanted. It isnt like appeasing someone, will simply encourage them to keep up their errant behavior.
Elysarian
Here's the original Reuters article:
www.reuters.com...
Coupled with this:
www.reuters.com...
If I lived in Estonia, I would have concerns too...
woodendoll
Well, Estonia is a European and nato member as somebody else stated, why would you be concerned?
markosity1973
woodendoll
Well, Estonia is a European and nato member as somebody else stated, why would you be concerned?
Quite simply;
If Putin eyes Estonia and makes a move to take it over, the only way to stop him will be with force. We've already seen that diplomatic and economic solutions only made him laugh in our faces over Crimea.
Russia has nuclear weapons. So does Nato. I think you can guess what the worst case scenario is here.
woodendoll
Elysarian
Here's the original Reuters article:
www.reuters.com...
Coupled with this:
www.reuters.com...
If I lived in Estonia, I would have concerns too...
Well, Estonia is a European and nato member as somebody else stated, why would you be concerned?
Elysarian
woodendoll
Elysarian
Here's the original Reuters article:
www.reuters.com...
Coupled with this:
www.reuters.com...
If I lived in Estonia, I would have concerns too...
Well, Estonia is a European and nato member as somebody else stated, why would you be concerned?
Who knows how far Russia will push this one? - the west have done very little to stop what's happening in Crimea. I'm of the opinion that it's very unlikely that they would touch an EU/NATO state myself (and there is the fact that it would be impossible to try to cover up an invasion of a Baltic state as "pro-Russian internal forces" like in Crimea).
A lot of people are pointing out comparisons between what's happening now and what happened in 1938 - Hitler didn't expect England and France to stick to the treaty with Poland after letting him get away with Austria and Czechoslovakia.
The EU and NATO are, at the end of the day, just groups of independent countries who've signed treaties together.
TDawg61
oblvion
TDawg61
How ironic.Putin using the exact same excuses for invasion that Hittler did."To protect our people".So I guess the Russians figure they can annex ANY country that has a handful of Russian speaking people.My position is if they love Russia so much why don't they go home?
Exactly, what next, Mexico gets to annex America because their people are here?
This is exactly what Hitler did all over eastern Europe.
And our "glorious" leaders are once again practicing the appeasement doctrine, that has always worked.
Everyone knows the only way to handle a bully, is to give him your lunch money, to appease him. He will finally be happy when you give it to him, and he will never come back demanding it again, because you gave him what he wanted. It isnt like appeasing someone, will simply encourage them to keep up their errant behavior.
Yes exactly Oblivion.Appeasement has never worked but isn't that the million dollar question.Will Putin stop with Crimea or is this just the beginning?
woodendoll
Elysarian
woodendoll
Elysarian
Here's the original Reuters article:
www.reuters.com...
Coupled with this:
www.reuters.com...
If I lived in Estonia, I would have concerns too...
Well, Estonia is a European and nato member as somebody else stated, why would you be concerned?
Who knows how far Russia will push this one? - the west have done very little to stop what's happening in Crimea. I'm of the opinion that it's very unlikely that they would touch an EU/NATO state myself (and there is the fact that it would be impossible to try to cover up an invasion of a Baltic state as "pro-Russian internal forces" like in Crimea).
A lot of people are pointing out comparisons between what's happening now and what happened in 1938 - Hitler didn't expect England and France to stick to the treaty with Poland after letting him get away with Austria and Czechoslovakia.
The EU and NATO are, at the end of the day, just groups of independent countries who've signed treaties together.
Well it looks like he is reacting to the west pushing him. The west pushed too far with Ukraine and this is blowback.
we all know the west is not squeeky clean and has their fingers in all pies here, do don't pretend otherwise.
Poke a cornered animal and they defend. That is what we see playing out here.
markosity1973
reply to post by woodendoll
If you are defending Putin, then this is how it will all blow over;
Putin makes good on his grand 'Welcome to Russia Crimea' speech and leaves it at that. He keeps Crimea and does nothing more to expand the Russian borders, eventually the West gets over it and it's business as usual.
It all relies on Putin keeping to his word. If he does, then all will be well.
If he goes for Estonia, he is only going to make things worse.
And yes, you are right the West, America in particular is far from innocent. But that is a topic for another thread.....
woodendoll
Elysarian
woodendoll
Elysarian
Here's the original Reuters article:
www.reuters.com...
Coupled with this:
www.reuters.com...
If I lived in Estonia, I would have concerns too...
Well, Estonia is a European and nato member as somebody else stated, why would you be concerned?
Who knows how far Russia will push this one? - the west have done very little to stop what's happening in Crimea. I'm of the opinion that it's very unlikely that they would touch an EU/NATO state myself (and there is the fact that it would be impossible to try to cover up an invasion of a Baltic state as "pro-Russian internal forces" like in Crimea).
A lot of people are pointing out comparisons between what's happening now and what happened in 1938 - Hitler didn't expect England and France to stick to the treaty with Poland after letting him get away with Austria and Czechoslovakia.
The EU and NATO are, at the end of the day, just groups of independent countries who've signed treaties together.
Well it looks like he is reacting to the west pushing him. The west pushed too far with Ukraine and this is blowback.
we all know the west is not squeeky clean and has their fingers in all pies here, do don't pretend otherwise.
Poke a cornered animal and they defend. That is what we see playing out here.