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Elysarian
woodendoll
Elysarian
woodendoll
Elysarian
Here's the original Reuters article:
www.reuters.com...
Coupled with this:
www.reuters.com...
If I lived in Estonia, I would have concerns too...
Well, Estonia is a European and nato member as somebody else stated, why would you be concerned?
Who knows how far Russia will push this one? - the west have done very little to stop what's happening in Crimea. I'm of the opinion that it's very unlikely that they would touch an EU/NATO state myself (and there is the fact that it would be impossible to try to cover up an invasion of a Baltic state as "pro-Russian internal forces" like in Crimea).
A lot of people are pointing out comparisons between what's happening now and what happened in 1938 - Hitler didn't expect England and France to stick to the treaty with Poland after letting him get away with Austria and Czechoslovakia.
The EU and NATO are, at the end of the day, just groups of independent countries who've signed treaties together.
Well it looks like he is reacting to the west pushing him. The west pushed too far with Ukraine and this is blowback.
we all know the west is not squeeky clean and has their fingers in all pies here, do don't pretend otherwise.
Poke a cornered animal and they defend. That is what we see playing out here.
Oh I know we've been poking... NATO expansion onto Russia's doorstep was always going to lead to confrontation somewhere.
What concerns me is the amount of obvious propaganda from both sides - it's like neither thinks that in the modern, connected world, rational people can look at other sources that their own state-sponsored news outlets (problem is that it's getting difficult to tell what's propaganda and what isn't)
This is why I look to multiple sources before I judge any event (of my mainstream sources Al-Jazeera actually seems to be the most neutral right now, I'm seeing anti-western stuff on all the Russian sites and anti-Russian stuff on every western site with some worse than others)
The world prior to WW1 was a powder keg looking for a spark, it just took one man (gavrilo princip) to provide the spark that time. It does feel - to me at least - that the world is heading in a similar direction now with the tensions between east and west being as bad as during the cold war.
markosity1973
reply to post by woodendoll
Since, it sounds like you are on the Putin side of this debate, what is your solution to the escalating tensions?
As a citizen of the West, I really don't understand why there needs to be all these problems between us and Russia anyway. I just know that America and Russia are on a slippery slope to the old days where there is constant chest beating and threats of nuclear deployment if we don't do something to defuse this situation.
The sad thing is that here in the West we will all be dragged into America's dangerous little game, whether we agree or not.
YoComrade
reply to post by knightrider078
Well if this is the case, I highly doubt he will get away with it for the second time. Unless of course the people vote to become part of Russia...
Cinrad
Doesn't it seem strange that the situation in Crimea has been likened to actions that lead up to WWII by Nazi Germany and here is this guy (Putin), who is very intelligent and knows his history and what the West is saying, just goes right ahead and plays the script perfectly, the corpse of Ukrainian Crimea still warm and he is saber rattling again? THIS IS A SET UP My BS radar is going off the scale.
edit on 19/3/14 by Cinrad because: (no reason given)
bubab
Considering Estonia is both an EU member AND a NATO member, I call FUD on this article.
woodendoll
markosity1973
reply to post by woodendoll
If you are defending Putin, then this is how it will all blow over;
Putin makes good on his grand 'Welcome to Russia Crimea' speech and leaves it at that. He keeps Crimea and does nothing more to expand the Russian borders, eventually the West gets over it and it's business as usual.
It all relies on Putin keeping to his word. If he does, then all will be well.
If he goes for Estonia, he is only going to make things worse.
And yes, you are right the West, America in particular is far from innocent. But that is a topic for another thread.....
I see lots of If's and but's but no real hard evidence. Congecture and huff puff.
Funny, it is the NATO and EU members who are screaming fear, yet, it is NATO and the EU who wanted Ukraine. I have to wonder who is pulling their strings. Do the math.
knightrider078
Anyone surprised So No one Stopped Putin In Crimea. Now guess what he is getting ready to move forward.
As Ted Cruz Predicted: PUTIN EYES ESTONIA – Signals Concern of Russian Minority
www.thegatewaypundit.com...
knightrider078
This is Bull people are trying to compare this to what the US has done. Small difference. Afghanistan was a radical Islamic dictatorship and Iraq were ruled by dictatorship. Russia Invaded a free country.
Diisenchanted
reply to post by TDawg61
Even more ironic is the fact that the U.S has done the exact same thing throughout the last few administrations.
The terrorists are coming! the terrorists are coming! Ring any bells?
The only difference is we don't annex the land. We just impose a new government.
Britguy
All this invasion talk, Putin supposedly wanting to recreate the Soviet Bloc and invade all the old states, what utter hogwash!
It's nothing more than western fed propaganda for the new cold war and an excuse for the US to move even more resources into the region.
Seriously, the Hitler name calling is so ridiculous too! Why, it's like the Jews are running the playbook on this one, which lets face it, they are, through their banking and globalisation plays. Putin is no more the next Hitler then Obama is the next Papal candidate!
Patriotsrevenge
Diisenchanted
reply to post by TDawg61
Even more ironic is the fact that the U.S has done the exact same thing throughout the last few administrations.
The terrorists are coming! the terrorists are coming! Ring any bells?
The only difference is we don't annex the land. We just impose a new government.
Sorry but you are mistaken. The people elected their own leaders when things cooled down enough for that to happen rather than be led by dictators.
If it were not for Pakistan and their two faced crap A-stan would have been peaceful awhile ago for the most part. Iran and Saudi are still beating and killing people in Iraq so that's not much our fault. We removed the threat to us and the greater region but the dummies in D.C. did not do it properly. Disbanding and not working with the Iraqi army after we had 86ed Saddam and his family was the main cause because they would have kept the peace.