Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

reply to post by The GUT


I"m proposing to him that I can possiby demonstrate a disrupton
in the zero pont field forces between conducting plates at a ridiculously
small distance apart. would take multiple rows of them to catch my
'wave'.

I know that these guys really want to create psychotronic devices..
and in fact don't give a # about UFOs. They USED to care about UFOs..
they don't now. Someone, somewhere in the gubmit finally caught on
what 'UFO's' really are a long time ago..

They too want to 'outtrick the trickster'. LOL. Good luck with that.

I'll help one of them to a certain point of my choosing that would be beneficial
to the most honest and decent people, then I suspect that further progress
would stop.

I don't know what will come of this email to him.. he's got to be pretty
skitterish.. I got probed 3 times by a weak mind after I sent the email
and before he responded.

Of course I could be wrong.. I'm only batting 50% today.. which I suppose
should be considered awesome.. in terms of psychotronic testing.

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


How do you know when you are being probed?

reply to post by JayinAR


Depends on the person.

Some people feel like they are being watched.

Some people think they are being attacked by "X" (pick the delusional boogeyman
they favor as part of their religion).

Some people get a headache.

Now depending on the relationship between the person doing the probing and
the person receiving it.. it could feel like unconditional love.. might even rise
to the level of feeling hugged or even orgasms.. between two people who
love each other..

But in GENERAL you feel a disruption in some part of your body (if you have permanent
good body awareness like a meditator).. often a bit of tingling.. in any case your personal
awareness will suddenly become riveted by it...

or you feel a 'swooshing' 'wavelike' something intruding into your awareness.. it's
obviously somethign foreign..and there are always foreign feelings and/or pictures
involved... but often pretty fuzzy. People who can do a good probe are rare..
hell, I'm somewhere between beginner and intermediate myself.

if it's a full body probe.. you'll feel it wander around to various nerve plexusis
examining your 'field'.

If it's from a particularly powerful xdim entity, they will toss your memories
one at a time while you watch helpless.. generally that can't happen without
your permission.. such as if you attack them first (think bambi vs godzilla).
I've only been probed that way full strength once and part strength another
time. You will literally view your entire life.. all your desires.. all your weaknesses..
it's the old 'being offered all the kingdoms of the world thing..' it's a hecka thing..
hope it never happens to any of you.

Those are the basics.. maybe half of all people wouldn't know if they were being
probed to save their lives.. for various reasons.. and that may be ok too..

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
I know that these guys really want to create psychotronic devices..
and in fact don't give a # about UFOs. They USED to care about UFOs..
they don't now.

There's certainly evidence that could make that case. 1o9 thinks Skinwalker Ranch is about "wormholes" and there's evidence that that's what the NIDS guys were looking at. I'm leaning more towards some kind of psychotronic testing, though I admit there might be some historical context to "strangeness" in that area. I don't buy the rancher's stories, however.

Both Kit Green and Col. John B. Alexander have had a professional interest in psychotronics. Hrmmm.

The GUT

1ofthe9
Suppose we tried to trigger a UFO flap for data collection purposes?

It would be an interesting experiment, but you KNOW what Keel would tell you heheh. I'll watch from here. With interest.

K-Bear getting in contact with Persinger reminded of your earlier comment. The Aviary scientists and researchers that migrated to NIDS. Persinger's relationship to many of the same players and the remote viewing connections.

These guys certainly aren't looking for ET, but maybe something closer to ID as relates to quantum theory it seems when looking at their areas of interest and research. Is that a clue for us? Have they learned something in their government research that suggested such? If anyone in the gubmint does know any more than we do about UFOs, maybe it's more 'dimensional' in nature.

Maybe some of these guys shout, "ET!" to hide ID?

Now I'm off topic. Or am I? Sheesh...I'm so confused. Oh well, I'll just jump...

edit on 26-1-2014 by The GUT because: (no reason given)

Well, if I had to suggest anything, I'd say they're all about Persinger's Geopsyche and its potential for causing a singularity - or a strictly artificial implementation there of. On the other hand, its more or less acknowledged that Bigelow and the USAF are going after wormholes. We might be dealing with two entirely different things.

I'm still down for poking it.

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by 1ofthe9

 

Won't work..

You gots to entice them like you would a shy animal or reluctant lover.

This is the same reason, BTW, that 99% of people who try to 'raise kundalni'
fail.

The sentient forces of nature want to be treated like 'people' too.. only
yes, of course, they are vastly different sorts of 'people'.

how the heck am I supposed to lurk and not post, with such enticing
threads in this post?

KPB

What kind of enticement are we talking about?

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


These symptoms can also be caused psychosomatically based upon an individual's particular belief system. It is not conclusive proof whatsoever of being "probed". To the Christian, beliefs in angels and demons can cause a person to feel good or bad, and blame their feelings/bad luck/good luck on either. To the shaman, it can be the Tricksters. To the Scientologist it can be the "Body Thetans", to the ufologist they are aliens/inter-dimensional beings....and so on with [insert belief system/religion here]. The human imagination/brain is a powerful thing, and can be extremely susceptible to programming (sociological upbringing, social status, economic status) due to a myriad of factors.

reply to post by The GUT


As far as skinwalker ranch, it feels like there are definitely some small
tears there... tears not wormholes.. tears are very uncommon.. beats
the heck out of me why there are tears..

But if Bigelow pays me $1 million cash I'll research it for him.. LOL.
I'm not personally interested why there are tears there.

but I think that naturally occurring tears would act as a waveform
disruptor.. possibly causing a pooling effect.. which would magnify
'high strangeness'.

I do think that bigelow is interested in psychotronics....

but what do I know? I can't read any of those aviary guys who are
still living.. they are all very obfuscated.. beats me why..

I can somewhat read people who knew the aviary guys.. but you
know, I am not the sort of person who wants to do that sort of
thing.. it's not my thing.. it's not like some Vulcan mind meld..
there is always a price to pay.. every time I heal someone or
something like that, it costs me.. sometimes for months.. and
as I don't ask for anything in return it's a work of love every time.

I'd rather this was a pleasant world overrun by friendly little my little
pony friends and I could run naked laughing through the fields.. a little
drunk.. and looking for the misses.

The only reason I do ANY of this stuff, is this world pisses me off a little
bit.. I hate seeing innocents hurt.

KPB

reply to post by AutOmatIc


Indeed. I covered that scenario, but not in depth.

The compelling cases of 'probing' are when strangers
are probed out of the blue by strangers.. that eliminates
purely false positives for the most part.. of course the human
mind is fully capable of retroactively rewriting recent or distant
memories to conform with a desired 'reality'. Humans delude
themselves this way constantly.

You are QUITE correct about the enormous imagination
that humans have.. they have it to pretty much toxic
levels.. and one might even say that it is the human
imagination which will be responsible for the demise
of the human race.

I'll also be the first to say that a significant portion
of 'weirdness' has more traditional and materialistic
explanations.

This whole 'psychic field' suffers much the same
percentages as 'real UFO's'... most UFOs are
indeed things like the planet venus.. flares..
camera lens effects.. misidentified aircraft, etc.

Whatever else I am, I'm also a realist.. I just like
pushing the boundaries to the maximum amount.

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


All good, but back to the thread topic of Vallee's "Control System", the fact that he says that it can be manipulated certainly speaks volumes about what he indeed may know. I am interested in the psychotronic device (and wormhole) aspect, if there were such a thing:

What does it do?
How exactly would a psychotronic device interact with such a system?
Can such a device open a portal/wormhole to another dimension, and if so, is this dimension where the "consciousness" is? (some may refer to it as the 'spirit world')
Would the use of such devices be scientifically measurable by anyone not involved in its use?

...man, the more I read, the more questions arise, heh, peace!

this was back on page 1

It almost seems like he wants to talk about it, but he isn't 'allowed' to.

the UFO scene is no longer "the UFO scene"
when all the physical is taken out of it
(no more space-men and space-vehicles)

not much room left to move?
..back to calling them gods and demons again

reply to post by AutOmatIc

Psychotronics are often associated with "mind weaponry" but in the parapsychological sense actually includes stuff like Persinger and Koren's "God Helmet"

Early "God Helmet" and Subject

He gave remote viewer/psychic Ingo Swann a whirl in it.

reply to post by AutOmatIc


It's my opinin that persinger does indeed wish to create
a utopia through some sort of technological enhancement
of the already existing relationship between human
minds and the earths geomagnetic field... a psychotronic
singularity..

He's looking for an 'I win now button' too.. just like Vallee.
Hell, everyone is looking for that, except he's got some
frankenstein gear he wants to build to help him.

Now I concur that the Earth's magnetic field is indeed
a candidate for what he wants to do..

But I don't think he understands.. via personal experience,
the nightmware world he might create.. while the earth's
magnetic field may have the bandwidth to handle all those
neural impulses.. people couldn't handle much more 'volume'
than they already get..

I think I could handle somewhere between 10 and 100 people
joined wth me at once.. full strength .. but 7 billion? Geepers.
I play at that sometimes.. and can only handle it at a very
archetypical level and only if I put on a mana personality...
and then it's more of a send connection and not much of
a receive connection.

Even should he succeed.. and I'm really curious what he plans
to use as a nexus point.. that's the key to his design.. I hope
I can wheedle that out of him.. even if he builds this thing..

there are two major problems:

1) The bugmint will take it over likety split.
2) The 'real field' isn't based on magnetism.. it's based on soemthing
more like dark energy.. so even if we get a 'human singularity group
mind' with his technology.. the 'real field' that the 'aliens/entitites/
racial unconscious/awareness from 'the observer' and the other
spiritual cliques will keep flowing in unimpeded.. and if humans are
hypnotized with this crazy machine.. they might be ALL THE MORE
VULNERABLE to the 'real attack vector' -- the Tricksters... in fact
that is likley the real 'plan' that he doesn't know about.. he's probably
a patsy like a lot of 'agents' in this weird world.. this is why I'd like to
meet him in person and really put him through the ringer.. and break
any mind control he's suffering from.

As for other psychotronic craziness... that's outside the scope of
The Gut's thread.. but would enjoy discussing it maybe in a skinwalker
ranch thread..

KPB

reply to post by The GUT


That female test subject doesn't look like she's having a good time at all..
and old Ingo.. he's got the usual swagger about him.. he must have been
quite the charismatic fellow..

temporal lobe stimulation via transcranial magnetic fields is a far cry
from real psychotronics... and it smacks of the original Star Trek
episode about the computer named Landru. UGH.

Give me a planet full of hungry soul sucking demons any day.. over
the 'human mad scientist / gubmint evil'.

KPB

reply to post by 1ofthe9


That's the question.. the 64 millon dollar question.

Most of those entitites don't have the executive planning functions
of a human. you can't really bargain with them like a human..
maybe more like a jack russel terrior (pretty intelligent dog) level
of intelligence.. but a whole lot of 'spiritual streetwise'.

The truth is that on one level, they want to be told what to do..
but they want to feel titillated.. and alive.. and valued.. and wanted
and loved and worshipped.. and they are narcissists.. they want to think
that everything is THEIR idea.

They are like young children with godlike powers..but missing 3/4 of
the human mind. I'd say that they are more visual than verbal.. by far..
that in fact they have a limited ability to function like with our right
brain hemisphere.. but in fact they are a big collection of :
If Then computer code circuits..

It's rather hard to explain what I feel about them and perceive about them,
even though I've been aware of them since literally shortly before birth.

Bleh*

There's a reason this is such a hard puzzle to crack.. you can't reason
with a subset of the human mind.. wtih a totally different perspective
and lifecycle.. it's all action / reaction.. and they are narcissists.. you
can't actually control a narcissist. That's the ultimate problem.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by 1ofthe9

 

That's the question.. the 64 millon dollar question.

Most of those entitites don't have the executive planning functions
of a human. you can't really bargain with them like a human..
maybe more like a jack russel terrior (pretty intelligent dog) level
of intelligence.. but a whole lot of 'spiritual streetwise'.

The truth is that on one level, they want to be told what to do..
but they want to feel titillated.. and alive.. and valued.. and wanted
and loved and worshipped.. and they are narcissists.. they want to think
that everything is THEIR idea.

They are like young children with godlike powers..but missing 3/4 of
the human mind. I'd say that they are more visual than verbal.. by far..
that in fact they have a limited ability to function like with our right
brain hemisphere.. but in fact they are a big collection of :
If Then computer code circuits..

It's rather hard to explain what I feel about them and perceive about them,
even though I've been aware of them since literally shortly before birth.

Bleh*

There's a reason this is such a hard puzzle to crack.. you can't reason
with a subset of the human mind.. wtih a totally different perspective
and lifecycle.. it's all action / reaction.. and they are narcissists.. you
can't actually control a narcissist. That's the ultimate problem.

KPB

Control no, but manipulate maybe...

JayinAR
Has the control theory been tested? Maybe not directly, but we can see direct evidence of it in the rise of UFO reports following our first atomic tests and their proclivity to just pop up above armed nuclear bases.
This sorta thing is what Vallee suggests. Doing things that will require a course correction in the matrix.

...
Apologies for the discombobulated post. I am on an android and feel I rambled my way through this.

Not at all - your post was extremely lucid, especially by comparison to most of the thread. The words "control system" seem to bring out the paranoiacs from the woodwork. We're talking more about carburetors than Big Brother, here.

You bring up a great point about the UFO flaps at nuclear bases in recent years. Joining hands and singing Kum Ba Ya hasn't invited the UFOs. But preparing to destroy parts of the world seems to get their attention.

Was this part of JV's reluctance to expand more on the possible routes to feedback, this sense that the only way to effect it was by great evil?

Are we not simply talking about an incredibly advanced technology here, and therefore indistinguishable from magic?

For example there was the case of the Cornish crop-circle chaser, one of the most famous researchers, who prayed for a crop circle and then it appeared exactly as requested in a field near his home.

I imagine he prayed by speaking his wishes, so anybody could be listening in, and then the 'trickster' created the crop circle in order to make him believe that a supernatural force was at work.

Isn't that the control system? Keep people in a state of supernatural belief and confusion so that we can't fully apply our rational minds to UFOs or any other problems.

One such problem is colonizing other planets, so that we don't go extinct, therefore perhaps the ET hypothesis is correct and these aliens wish to prevent us from rivalling them in space.

Maybe the simulation theory is correct and we are being prevented from realizing that we are trapped in a simulation. However, in that case, why would the tricksters wish to expose any evidence of that. Why not present us with an entirely rational Universe, with no supernatural strangeness, so that we believe the simulation is real?

Or maybe there are no ETs, and we are talking about a techno-elite of humans, and they wish to keep us in this medieval state while they dominate space just like they dominate the world.

Jacques Vallee has certainly opened Pandora's box with his provocative theory. However my feeling is that we don't need aliens or ghosts to explain a control system; humans are pretty good at executing their own control systems against each other.

Maybe we should start there and entertain more esoteric theories as the need arises.

reply to post by wemadetheworld


And once again we are confusing Big Brother with the type of control system JV is referring to. Control is essentially a neutral mechanism. It is an open question as to what equilibrium or momentum JV's control system is maintaining. It may be positive or negative from our perspective as humans.

If you open the door of a refrigerator, cold air escapes, and the thermometer installed inside the refrigerator reads a lower temperature. The cooling system connected to the thermometer via the thermostat then turns on and brings the temperature back down. What JV is proposing is to find ways to open the door of the refrigerator.

reply to post by The GUT


This is interesting, Gut. We are talking about a few things here. One of them is behavioral analysis - and that means watching how the craft behave. But the thing is, there is more to the UFO phenomenon than just the craft. I have a friend, for example, who regularly sees extra-dimensional entities due to blood sugar problems.

Other people are abducted during their sleep, which has been attributed to sleep paralysis and the like - however, this is still a gateway into the phenomenon. If the craft and the entities are the same...

This is very interesting. It goes beyond behavioral analysis to prodding. It is similar to trolling. You basically troll the entities to see how they react, and then note the behavior. This could be done.