Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

The GUT

Eidolon suggested that Dr. Green and crew might be trying to fix and balance our screwed up society. If true, we have to wonder if 1.) they are capable and competent enough and, 2.) how they see themselves doing that through the "manipulation of belief systems" in Dr. Vallee's words.

Honestly?

I think they (the successors to the last batch of chuckleheads) could give a # about UFOs and are more interested in how the crude narrative disruption methods forged in the 70's could be improved and applied to religious extremists in areas where the US/EU has resource concerns.

We also know that our government structures the world over are rife with elitists who are philosophically globalists at core. I admit globalism sounds good on paper and seems to the intelligentsia the only viable future. Is that then, the "fix" that some see and is the manipulation of the "control system" setting us up by encouraging a universal spirituality so-to-speak?

Probably.

reply to post by KilgoreTrout


A lovely post.

Beautiful.

So tell me, oh sage of the control loop,
why is the 1% crushing the middle class
out of existence globally right now?

;-)

KPB

AutOmatIc
reply to post by The GUT

 

Why on earth would we NOT want this?! This world/reality as we know it is indeed completely screwed up...it's just...wrong, and needs to change in order for us as a species to truly flourish.

I starred your post because it was wonderfully insightful and genuinely provided clarity, even if a little, into the possible underpinning of JV's position. I was a little surprised at your conclusion though, unless I'm misunderstanding (I did go back and reread it and (re)reread it) but even as you state, "why would they want to give up there creature comforts" makes you think the "world peace" they envision is the same as "ours"?

A no currency, one world utopian could easily be viewed through a more negative manifestation. If we are capable of accessing and/or manipulating this 'other layer' then what stops it from being used for harm? Would it be ok to sacrafice 3.2 billion to have a blissful utopia for those who remain?

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by KilgoreTrout

 

A lovely post.

Beautiful.

So tell me, oh sage of the control loop,
why is the 1% crushing the middle class
out of existence globally right now?

;-)

KPB

Is it crushing it? Or is it being trimmed from within? The middle class are the ones that govern. The 1% merely bankroll the operation and control access to the resources. Distribution, setting of taxation, logistics etc, all handled from the middle. Dead skin may be being shed around the edges, those more vulnerable to down sizing due to over extending their limited capital resources may be feeling the pinch, but overall, the middle class will, as a core, remain as a buffer, they are just feeling the squeeze as things are being readjusted. If the middle class were not seen to be suffering what would that say to those closer to the poverty margin? Call it collateral damage if you will. If those at the top are consolidating their position my limiting the release of the resources they control then it stands to reason that those in the middle similarly have less to work with and have to balance things out. They either share it out equally, and have less as a result, or they cut some out of the loop.

The point is, there are less resources to go around, that is only going to get worse. We cannot run economies merely on service industries alone. However, while some are trying to tackle that problem and seek alternative means to operate, others are stockpiling and looking only to their own position and maintaining that. Throughout the societal stratifications because they don't know how to do anything else. It's a dog eat dog world. And that is what needs adjustment.

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


All this talk about "Globalism" and "Universal Spirituality" as well as E.T./Interdimensional/Demons/Angels, etc.. has me thinking about one of the greatest sci-fi books of all time by Arthur C. Clarke called "Childhoods End." Anyone read it? Towards the end all of the children on earth are psychically linked, thanks mostly to the alien inspired technology of T.V. The aliens say that mankind has always regarded them as demons, but the truth is that they are more like "midwives attending a difficult birth"....Did Clarke tap into some truth unknown to his conscious mind, or did he release the truth through the medium of fiction....also has me thinking of these strange sky sounds, musical horns and so forth....um how about "Close Encounters of the Third Kind"

From the Quantum Future blog entry that was leaked earlier:

stating that "(...) I found your background and accomplishments quite remarkable" but then it continued with stating, that concerning the domains of theoretical physics listed, he himself is "the expert in this role for the institute as staff needs are minimal here." (emphasis, mine)

So, it seems that my first guess was correct. Either all problems with "ET" are already solved, or they are totally unimportant, or, perhaps, there are no problems at all!

I agree, I think that's exactly what's implied. I know some people need a dragon to slay in order to feel like a man, or a monster under the bed to justify their insomnia, but what if there's no monster but the one in the mirror?

Eidolon23
I agree, I think that's exactly what's implied. I know some people need a dragon to slay in order to feel like a man, or a monster under the bed to justify their insomnia, but what if there's no monster but the one in the mirror?

Could be. That's pretty much the position of mainstream materialistic science as we know. It leaves us with "consciousness"--amongst other things--to get around, however, imo.

reply to post by The GUT


That we could be the primary source of UFOlogical manifestations, or that some of them (the bright blobs) are a separate class of life, or both does not automatically default the position to materialist positivism.

But if one is stuck in a rigid binary position, or (worse) absolutely determined to have an external enemy to do battle with, inaccurate labelling of other theories is an easy out.

reply to post by Eidolon23


=D I know that link

from the homepage of the author of that snippet

Around 1990 I decided enough is enough - I want to follow what always fascinated me most: more esoteric and more difficult ideas; those that demand going beyond the established boundaries of Physics. I am aware that trespassing into alien territories brings danger. Therefore going there I want to keep with me:

* my only food - repeatable facts
* my only arms - mathematical equations
* my only bullets - numbers
* my only shield - common sense.

Link

Interesting person behind all of that for sure

Eidolon23
But if one is stuck in a rigid binary position, or (worse) absolutely determined to have an external enemy to do battle with, inaccurate labelling of other theories is an easy out.

It's rather hard to inaccurately label a theory...and at the end of the day that's all we have: Theories. Rigidity comes in all flavors, btw.

You know I'm rather fond of the "bright blob" theory. How intelligent, or powerful, they might be--if they exist--gives me pause for reflection.

If they are electromagnetically-charged or related, that could be some heap powerful medicine on the human brain.

reply to post by nitro67


Childhood's end is one of my all time favorites.
It really influence my mind as a child.

On that theme..

A lot of people who write about our 'little problem with apparently evil entities'
correctly point out, that these entities act as a gating/initiatory function..
and that without a 'worthy adversary' humans couldn't evolve properly.

I'm willing to take that as legitimate up to a point..

But if the 'worthy adversary' wipes out the entire species.. well... that's one option..
but I'd prefer a better outcome than that..

Great reply.

KPB

reply to post by KilgoreTrout

It's a dog eat dog world. And that is what needs adjustment.

True..

but unless you are the lead dog in the dog train.. all you will
ever see is the behind of the dog in front of you.

The 1% is too retarded to see what even 10% of their wealth could
accomplish.. they are paralyzed by fear and greed.

That 10% could be turned into a 100% return on investment for them..
but nobody has made that case properly to them.. and I guess that is
all on 'us'.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear

The 1% is too retarded to see what even 10% of their wealth could
accomplish.. they are paralyzed by fear and greed.

That 10% could be turned into a 100% return on investment for them..
but nobody has made that case properly to them.. and I guess that is
all on 'us'.

Maybe they're of the motto: if its not broke don't fix it. That 1% has 'wealth' beyond many peoples wildest dreams. They're simply content. No sense rocking the boat.

reply to post by Rosinitiate


Indeed.

Considering that the richest of the rich can apparently
just print money via the federal reserve and sovereign banks,
they have no reason to use all that wealth for anything positive
whatsoever. It's all monopoly money to them.

Hyper traders are probably in a similar situation.. and anyone
who can routinely and easily game the commodities markets.

KPB

reply to post by The GUT


Indeed, he does not rule out the possibility of a non-human form of intelligence that is either the "programmers" of the system, or they are accessible through such a system.

He does state in MOD:

I believe that UFOs are physically real. They represent a fantastic technology controlled by an unknown form of consciousness.

At first the "Control System" resembles the theory of the Akashic Records, with the exception of it being able to be used to manifest physical objects in our universe and in conjunction with other perhaps subversive operations, cause the subject to receive information directly upon their senses that has been entered into the "program" as information. The theory can gel with his inter-dimensional hypothesis as well, due to the fact that if certain groups figured out a way to access/manipulate this "dimension" they may encounter entities of such a nature that they are hard to define. They could be just pure consciousness, pure energy, physical creatures (who could feed on human souls/emotions/bodies, as some posters have said), but we just don't know.

Interesting that Vallee refers to them as "manipulators" leaving it open to interpretation as to whether they're either human, alien, or even both working together, or even against each other. I don't believe the system he describes is merely a "meme generator" type of conscious injection of information (for instance just having several factions trying to change society as a whole merely through their beliefs/prayers/rituals/ideas), but it is an actual "real" tangible thing that can be used/accessed/manipulated using certain technologies. Whether there are other entities that exist in/above/outside the Control System, or they are part of the program, or even comprise the program itself is beyond my comprehension.

But, he does believe that the phenomenon:

...serves as the vehicle for images that can be manipulated to promote belief systems tending to the long-term transformation of human society.

...images also being interpreted as ideas, physical objects, sounds, even emotions. The "Utopian" idea? well:
@Rosinitiate

A no currency, one world utopian could easily be viewed through a more negative manifestation. If we are capable of accessing and/or manipulating this 'other layer' then what stops it from being used for harm? Would it be ok to sacrafice 3.2 billion to have a blissful utopia for those who remain?

You are correct, because the entire idea of a "Utopian" society could be viewed as negative by some if it doesn't fit their particular viewpoint as to what that really means. But it can be narrowed down to basics, and then built from there. World peace, no more war...ever...is a good place to start imo. Would it be ok to sacrifice billions, or even one person to have a blissful utopia for the remaining humans? If we were truly an enlightened, intelligent species, no life should have to ever be lost to achieve such a goal. But Vallee has demonstrated that the idea has been "introduced" and spread even more so in modern times through ufologists, religious cults, contactees, people channeling, and various other means, and the reason for such is that society will be "influenced" to change drastically.

Could such a "layer" be used for harm? I think that's possible...I hope it's not being used that way though, if it exists.

reply to post by Rosinitiate


Hi... your comment 'if it's not broke don't fix it' struck a chord in me buddy.

I was idly pondering writing a new post in the metaphysics section about
some of my observations on the control system, when the thought occurred
to me that doing that would cause a current in the forum, and that the
result of that current would probably not be positive or even useful.. and
as I want almost nothing, why on Earth would I choose to create a current
that was not productive?

I guess then, the phrase 'if it's not broke don't fix it' came into my mind
again.. from a liminal perspective, nothing is broken.. as all apparent
boundaries are really just BS... not illusions.. but just the same old #
endlessly recycled.. the same actors.. the same sets..

Then the notion that if I'm indeed a liminal character on the stage.. that
on some level I too wish to cause misdirection and prevent change..

That was quite the interesting notion... painted a target on me own back.

Now there is a magician's trick I could use.. I could PRETEND there was
a good reason to stir up a lot of #, all the while knowing that was
not true.. but just do it for the fun of it..

One thing about the trickster personality, is that on some level, they don't
believe all of their own # either.. but when they 'go for it' and something
'works' it's utterly delightful. I had that very experience a few times over
the past month..

Makes me wonder just how much big noisy people who make all this fuss
about the control system (or parasites say) are in fact just as much agents
of deception as anyone else.. oh I'm not saying it's pure BS.. maybe only
20% deception. but what if that deception is the key deception? You know
that the best lies contain a lot of the truth.. those are the most deadly.

Neat-o-cool thought process..

I think that if we are to having any chance of actually feeding back control
into the 'control system', that we need to take the advice of Doctor Peter
Venkman in Ghostbusters... "He's a sailor, he's in New York..." yes..
I think that if we showed the Trickster control interface a GOOD TIME,
that the Trickster would play along..

I can tell you from personal experience.. that the 'powers' which run
the universe just LOVE IT when someone trains themselves to be a
knowing, conscious agent and then plays the game too...

In fact, the game that is played doesn't even have to be originated by
the control freaks.. it's like when your lover pulls a new maneuver in
bed on you totally by surprise.. it's purely delightful.. the same with
the Trickers... show them a good time, and to some degree you
can have your way with them..

And.. I think this little reply has turned out to be more useful than
what I was going to post in the metaphysics forum.

Well I think so!

Just remember the secret to understanding the supreme being..
He/She/It just wants to get laid. Once you understand that,
everything else becomes obvious

KPB

reply to post by AutOmatIc


Nice thinking out loud there.

One thing to keep in mind, a sort of universal principal
that is also good to keep in mind --

life feeds on life

There is scarcely any situation where that doesn't come
into play.

In 'utopia' nobody would be feeding on anybody..

and that is not to be allowed.. or at least that's how
the control system thinks.. both the invisible one and
the more visible one (tptb).

At the most basic level, even 'having power over others'
is a sort of psychological feeding on others, even if it's
only within the mind of the powermonger itself.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by Rosinitiate

 

Just remember the secret to understanding the supreme being..
He/She/It just wants to get laid. Once you understand that,
everything else becomes obvious

KPB

Are you a closeted "Freudian?" On the subject of "Universal Spirituality" and "Globalism" also something Vallee talked about and is a constant in Sci-fi is the idea of a "hive mind" or one consciousness and some forms of government, namely communism or even a dictatorship. Is not sexual maturity the biggest change in human life? Look at the classic "grey" alien, totally sexless, "Childhoods End", maybe more to that title than at first seems....Life is pointless and then you die? So might as well get off? Na, I except that my mind, and by extension the collective human mind, is not the only thing in existence in the universe...

reply to post by nitro67


Not at all. I don't lend much credence to any of the famous
psychologists/psychiatrists, not even Jung per se.

I guess this is exactly why I'll probably go back to lurking..
most people don't even know that spirituality and sexuality
are 2 sides of the same coin.

I'm not talking Tantra.. it goes much deeper than that..
ask any solid esoteric student and they will tell you the
same thing... they will tell you that the 1 became the 2
which became the 3.. and that is 'sex' in action.

This principle of '3' is probably the oldest one out there..
on par with the 'tree'.

So what sounds like a rambling comment.. a silly comment..
or a freaky comment is nothing of the sort..

That comment was about 'the other'; to know oneself truly,
you need 'the other' and that applies even to 'god'.

That's why we are here..

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Don't go back to lurking, you have great responses. I agree that sexuality of course has much to do with our conception of god and spirituality, I mean that is where babies come from....Life. I am just a bit overwhelmed by reading way too much, Esoteric History as told by Blavatsky and Steiner talk of a time when pre humans were asexual and therefore self reproducing....I would fit right in with those times...your comment just seemed a little reductionist, and I hate that. When someone has great ideas that encompass so many various topics and possibilities than just seems to get frustrated/worn out and sums it up with "He just needs to get laid"