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zeroBelief
beezzer
reply to post by zeroBelief
I don't see how this will improve upon anything.
People will be paying more for poorer service.
This is single-payer.
If you have any idea as to how this might improve upon the system, please elucidate!
I am no businessman. I work with computers. I do things in a modal sense of reality. The intricacies of a "deal" are beyond me. I'm far too tempted to tell someone to go and s#$%w themselves.
However, we needed a change.
What we got was crap....but, it was a START for change. We had no other option being provided...and hopefully, this will evolve into something good. I am no naive child, as I said, I hope this leads to real change in a positive manner for all of us here in the US.
But, I can tell you one thing. It certainly wasn't going to happen if we stayed the way we were. I see this as simply being the first of many steps. At least, that's what I hope it is.
And don't get me wrong....I am the first person to tell you how messed up it was. $600Million for a freaking website? Crap...I can do EVERYTHING needed to create such a website, and do it for well under $1 million, and be able to deliver palpable and working results in under 30 days. Web coding, underlying databases, ERP system to handle the transactions, ETL to handle inbound data from the medical and pharmaceutical field, outbound interface files to connect with external systems, even SOAP based messaging on a publish/subscribe setup on the web services, you name it, I can do it. That's what I do for a living. So yes, we were screwed and we can still feel hands on our hips from behind on that one.
Accenture taking it over? Might as well ask the fox to guard the henhouse. I've already posted my thoughts about Accenture as I used to work for them, and have worked with them far too many times to count.
Again, and one last time.....nothing was going to improve the way things were. Change, creates at least some degree of momentum. Hopefully, this momentum will carry through into something worthwhile. That is all I said, and all I meant.
This doesn't make any sense, change for the worse does not equate to change for the better. I will say this for the 10th time on ATS, the democrats had both houses and the presidency. They could have passed any healthcare law they wanted - THEY WANTED OBAMACARE. They wanted it because they get the most bribes for helping out corporations and not the people and therefore that is the interests they serve.
If obamacare is creating any momentum it is for its repeal, and a return to our crappy old system, which is in fact much better than obamacare, but still quite crappy.
amfirst1
reply to post by zeroBelief
Lol nothing good will come from Obamacare. The only thing that got better with it is more government control. The old system wasn't great, but u don't trade a Kia for a pile of shi7t.edit on 13-1-2014 by amfirst1 because: (no reason given)
BurbGirl378
Obamacare is not going to be repealed because it is what the Corporations want. Corporations want low cost labor that they don't have to insure. They can then work employees to death without any liability for the cost of their health care. The Health Insurers pick up all of the liability and spread the risk over the majority of workers in the insurance pools. The Health Insurance Corporation's losses are covered by the Government and Taxpayers because Big Business and the Corporations no longer want the responsibility of caring for their employees. Workers have become a disposable asset.
Unless you "own the means of production" you are a worker, and therefore disposable. A shareholder in a large corporation would be construed as owning "a share" of the means of production. Return On Investment is the primary goal. Insuring an employee's health is a risk Wall Street is no longer willing to finance.edit on 14-1-2014 by BurbGirl378 because: punctuation
Cost externalizing is a socio-economical term describing how a business maximizes its profits by off loading indirect costs and forcing negative effects to a third party.
wikipedia / cost externaliizing
In economics, an externality is the cost or benefit that affects a party who did not choose to incur that cost or benefit.
wikipedia / externality
AutumnWitch657
reply to post by beezzer
Health care is expensive because of greedy doctors and careless doctors who have to pay high premiums on malpractice insurance. Hey maybe if they were not so arrogant and careless they wouldn't need malpractice insurance. I say arrogant because they think they know it all.
AutumnWitch657
Healthcare has never been affordable. Doctors are as greedy as lawyers. Give me a break.
beezzer
reply to post by zeroBelief
I'm so happy that we could provide some amusement for you.
Allow me to put it into context.
Imagine our healthcare problem is like a leaky faucet.
We hire a plumber to fix the problem.
His solution?
Break all the television sets in the house with a hammer.
Now we still have a leaky faucet, plus an associated host of problems that were not even anticipated.
Do you comprehend our ire now?
zeroBelief
beezzer
reply to post by zeroBelief
I'm so happy that we could provide some amusement for you.
Allow me to put it into context.
Imagine our healthcare problem is like a leaky faucet.
We hire a plumber to fix the problem.
His solution?
Break all the television sets in the house with a hammer.
Now we still have a leaky faucet, plus an associated host of problems that were not even anticipated.
Do you comprehend our ire now?
Okydokey...let's just roll back the clock....My family is good. Sure, why the hell not.
The majority of Americans WISH they could roll back the clock.
beezzer
zeroBelief
beezzer
reply to post by zeroBelief
I'm so happy that we could provide some amusement for you.
Allow me to put it into context.
Imagine our healthcare problem is like a leaky faucet.
We hire a plumber to fix the problem.
His solution?
Break all the television sets in the house with a hammer.
Now we still have a leaky faucet, plus an associated host of problems that were not even anticipated.
Do you comprehend our ire now?
Okydokey...let's just roll back the clock....My family is good. Sure, why the hell not.
The majority of Americans WISH they could roll back the clock.
zeroBelief
beezzer
zeroBelief
beezzer
reply to post by zeroBelief
I'm so happy that we could provide some amusement for you.
Allow me to put it into context.
Imagine our healthcare problem is like a leaky faucet.
We hire a plumber to fix the problem.
His solution?
Break all the television sets in the house with a hammer.
Now we still have a leaky faucet, plus an associated host of problems that were not even anticipated.
Do you comprehend our ire now?
Okydokey...let's just roll back the clock....My family is good. Sure, why the hell not.
The majority of Americans WISH they could roll back the clock.
So, why not fight for impeachment? All I'm hearing is alot of whining.
matafuchs
reply to post by zeroBelief
"I am a programmer. I fix problems. And I'll tell you, when you are trying to fix a problem, you constantly look at the results. You never nail it the VERY first time. It takes change after change, tweak after tweak. Even the smallest change is chipping away at the problem. Maybe, as we've experienced here, it was blatantly a change in the wrong way. BUT, it is change, and we are trying to fix the problem"
But all of that change comes pre-release. You test it. You have the eventual users test it. If you were a programmer and you produced the Obamacare website you would be out of a job. Period. I think you can agree and we spent 100 of millions on it. Just for the site!!! HOw about just using some Oracle based software. I mean, even Peoplesoft and Sage can get you enrolled easier than this garbage. I know this because I have personal experience with it front and back end.
Unless, you were a contractor who did that so that you could bleed and squeeze those that you created the software for. Selling them future service releases that should have been part of the core product. Obamacare is a failure on multiple fronts. Sometimes, a good idea is one that should stay a good idea until it can actually work. Not something that should be 'passed' and we will take a look later. Just like QA would not say "let the build ride" and fix it later. If they do, they will not be there long and the software will die.
With software, you release it and then 'fix' what is complained about the most and hope most do not complain, right?
The best of intentions can have the worst results and we are seeing that now.
edit on 01am31amf0000002014-01-14T08:19:02-06:000802 by matafuchs because: (no reason given)
butcherguy
zeroBelief
beezzer
zeroBelief
beezzer
reply to post by zeroBelief
I'm so happy that we could provide some amusement for you.
Allow me to put it into context.
Imagine our healthcare problem is like a leaky faucet.
We hire a plumber to fix the problem.
His solution?
Break all the television sets in the house with a hammer.
Now we still have a leaky faucet, plus an associated host of problems that were not even anticipated.
Do you comprehend our ire now?
Okydokey...let's just roll back the clock....My family is good. Sure, why the hell not.
The majority of Americans WISH they could roll back the clock.
So, why not fight for impeachment? All I'm hearing is alot of whining.
Do see any indication that the Senate would vote to impeach the Emperor?
It would be a huge waste of time in view of the current political landscape.