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There were 640 Murders / Homicides in Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) in 2011/12 (10.43 per million population)
Of these 640 Murders / Homicides, 44 involved a gun or firearm as the main weapon. Gun murders in Britain in 2011/12 represent 6% of the murder cases, (0.72 gun homicides per million population).
ratcals
I don't see how you are going to be able to come up with any credible evidence to support your claim. Here are two that contradict it.
Gun crime by country
More evidence
I can do this all day, but I think you get the point.
As the graph shows, there are four US states with a lower murder rate than England & Wales, namely Hawaii, Vermont, New Hampshire and Rhode Island, and an additional six which are lower than Scotland, those being Minnesota, Iowa, Utah, Maine, Oregan and Idaho, with Wisconsin, Washington and South Dakota not far behind.
ratcals
AND STILL I'm calling the OP out. Yes, his first link sums up the UK having 25% more TOTAL crimes than the US. TOTAL crimes does not equal VIOLENT crimes. Get your facts straight.
greencmp
ratcals
AND STILL I'm calling the OP out. Yes, his first link sums up the UK having 25% more TOTAL crimes than the US. TOTAL crimes does not equal VIOLENT crimes. Get your facts straight.
Well, that was my point, not to compare gun homicides but instead violent crime. You are right to say that including car thefts in these figures obscures the data supporting my point.
It is worth noting that violent crimes such as assault victims 2.8% (UK) vs 1.2%(US) is where I came up with my initial "by far" title.
ratcals
reply to post by greencmp
Is this any more statistically accurate?
The Guardian
gladtobehere
reply to post by greencmp
Well, if we cherry picked crime stats, most of the gun crimes in the US are gang related as well.
What are you asserting?
greencmp
ratcals
reply to post by greencmp
Is this any more statistically accurate?
The Guardian
No, for the reason I just elucidated above.
Definition of ‘violent crime’ has impact on numbers
According to the FBI, there are four crimes classified as “violent” in crime statistics: murder/non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.
The list does not include burglaries, which is considered a property crime in the U.S. but a violent crime in the U.K.
In addition to murder, forcible rape, robbery, aggravated assault and burglary, England and Wales classify domestic violence and all sexual offenses – not just forcible rape – as violent.
Scotland and Northern Ireland compile their own statistics and systems.
In England and Wales, sexual offenses and domestic violence contain a wide range of offenses and make up a significant part of the overall number of their violent crimes.
Sexual offenses include rape, sexual assault, sexual activity with children, soliciting prostitutes (but not prostitution itself), sexual threats, sexual touching and indecent exposure.
Domestic abuse, described as a form of “intimate personal violence,” includes the following: non-sexual emotional or financial abuse, threats, physical force, sexual assault and stalking carried out by a current or former partner or other family member.
Several other crimes that are classified as violent in the U.K. include vehicle theft, purse-snatching and bicycle theft.
In all, the definition of “violent crime” takes approximately six pages to thoroughly explain. It is found in a user guide to crime statistics published by the Home Office, a U.K. government department addressing crime.
woogleuk
You will see just how stupid it is to compare the UK to the US by figures alone.
User Guide to Home Office Crime Statistics
ratcals
greencmp
ratcals
reply to post by greencmp
Is this any more statistically accurate?
The Guardian
No, for the reason I just elucidated above.
So you're only going to accept your sources as statistically accurate?
If that's the case then I'm removing myself from this discussion.
Not to mention I even used YOUR source in my last post to prove you wrong.
greencmp
ratcals
greencmp
ratcals
reply to post by greencmp
Is this any more statistically accurate?
The Guardian
No, for the reason I just elucidated above.
So you're only going to accept your sources as statistically accurate?
If that's the case then I'm removing myself from this discussion.
Not to mention I even used YOUR source in my last post to prove you wrong.
Please don't give up, you can win this if you can support your counter-argument.
It would be helpful to not be misleading though, what you call 'my source' was a mistake that I corrected in under 1 minute. Bravo to your attention and, since you presented it yourself, it is in the thread record as 'your source'.
Other than portions of my own research antithesis, you haven't brought much to the table.
The reason I had it in my thread preparation is because I do explore all the arguments.edit on 11-9-2013 by greencmp because: (no reason given)
I won't give up as long as you clarify what your original argument is?
Is it "UK Tops the US in Violent Crime by 25%" as stated in the thread title?
Or is it "guns reduce crime" as stated in your REVISED opening comment.
Also you will need to clarify what you consider a statistically accurate source. For some reason, as yet adequately explained, you shoot all mine down. Yet consider yours credible.
Or is it "guns reduce crime" as stated in your REVISED opening comment.
greencmp
reply to post by ratcals
I won't give up as long as you clarify what your original argument is?
Is it "UK Tops the US in Violent Crime by 25%" as stated in the thread title?
Or is it "guns reduce crime" as stated in your REVISED opening comment.
Also you will need to clarify what you consider a statistically accurate source. For some reason, as yet adequately explained, you shoot all mine down. Yet consider yours credible.
Absolutely, can I infer from your comment that it would be ok to change the title from:
"UK Tops the US in Violent Crime by 25%"
to
"UK Tops the US in Violent Crime by 100%"? or back to the original title ""UK Tops the US in Violent Crime by far"?
Or is it "guns reduce crime" as stated in your REVISED opening comment.
This was not revised, only the links which were from my antithesis research.edit on 11-9-2013 by greencmp because: (no reason given)