U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

Originally posted by DistantThunder
If you're not doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about.

Anyhoo, what's the reaction likely to be in the US? ATS is hardly a representative demographic I suspect, will ordinary people notice or anger? Please don't flame or owt, it's a genuinely curious question.

One suspects in the UK, many would shrug and go 'Well it's probably for the best'.

Originally posted by CaticusMaximus

Originally posted by IAMTAT

I have to agree with the New York Times...The Obama Administration HAS now lost all credibility!

Its sad though... even though hes lost all imaginary credibility he once had, youll still have the diehard worshipers who will never acknowledge that Bama ever did anything wrong, and that you are just either a republican or a racist or both if you think hes not the second coming of Christ. Even on this board, where people are supposed to deny ignorance or something.

Oh well. Momentum seems to be building against the rogue government regime in power ATM. Hopefully it gets enough momentum to actually get somewhere, like an impeachment of the entire administration and charges of treason brought to them.

I could not agree more.

reply to post by khimbar


Nothing will happen.

This story will be forgotten except for the 'fringe lunatics' on here and people will just roll on to the next thing.

As long as there is a supply of easy credit, relatively cheap gas and firearms there wont be any great outcry from the american public regardless of what else happens.

They could prove me wrong, which would be nice, but I doubt it.

reply to post by justwokeup


To me, the TSA searches are much more invasive than a review of internet searches.

If people accepted having their children touched by strangers before they can travel, they will accept a review of their internet searches.

As outraged as people may be, nothing will change. People will forget about it as soon as Kardashian pops out her baby, or Miley gets pregnant or whatever celeb crap the MSM forces down our throat.

I sent my reps emails yesterday, guess I will today as well. Or hey, NSA if you are collecting this go ahead and tell the reps from east tn they suck, fisa sucks, ndaa sucks, patriot act sucks and their mothers were hamsters and their fathers smelt of elderberries.

hey Verizon can ya hear me now - i'm LEAVING your company.

(nsa/dhs/fbi - put this in your useless files and !XX@!!)

Originally posted by jibajaba
hey Verizon can ya hear me now - i'm LEAVING your company.

(nsa/dhs/fbi - put this in your useless files and !XX@!!)

edit on 7-6-2013 by jibajaba because: (no reason given)

But it's not just Verizon.

The disclosure this week of an order by a secret U.S. court for Verizon Communications Inc.'s phone records set off the latest public discussion of the program. But people familiar with the NSA's operations said the initiative also encompasses phone-call data from AT&T Inc. and Sprint Nextel Corp., records from Internet-service providers and purchase information from credit-card providers.

online.wsj.com

Basically anything done electronically can be recorded and stored. And they have been doing it for years now.

reply to post by Cabin


This have Obama all over it, do not kid yourself, Obama 2007 speech campaign promised a stop to American spying, clean and transparent government and a review of the Patriot act.

If you are the boss in your company and don't know what your employees are doing, your company is going to collapse because you are a bad boss.

Yes he is all over this one, he is a liar, a crock and a bad president just like the ones before him.

reply to post by bgold1212


Not that difficult.
If i give you an admin account to access my network, then you don't need to know all the other accounts and passwords to access the data.


And if the data is encrypted, there is allways a key or something like that to decrypt the data.
Encrypted data without a method to decrypt it, is useless data.

If you have full controll, you have full access. Simple
These companies just gave the NSA and FBI full access to all the data.

reply to post by burdman30ott6


I have to agree with you is still unfreaking believable that people are still defending the crocks in the Whitehouse and Obama .

So I found The self incriminating speech in 2007

Obama in 2007: No more spying on citizens who are not suspected of a crime

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by marg6043


If you are a boss of a company then you should trust your employees to do their jobs.
This way you should not need to know everything what is going on in a company.

So... Obama and co. does not trust the american people if it wants to know everything.

reply to post by hoover1980


I got another one,

Transparency and Open Government

My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.

Government should be transparent. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing. Information maintained by the Federal Government is a national asset. My Administration will take appropriate action, consistent with law and policy, to disclose information rapidly in forms that the public can readily find and use. Executive departments and agencies should harness new technologies to put information about their operations and decisions online and readily available to the public. Executive departments and agencies should also solicit public feedback to identify information of greatest use to the public.

Yes you can find Obama selfincrimination all over the net.

Playing dumb now is just making himself look like a bad president

www.whitehouse.gov...

Originally posted by Cabin
reply to post by IAMTAT

 

The president only gets the information through reportings, which have gone through a long-long commandchain. If even one on lower level decides not to report it in his/her report, no one in the top will even be aware of it. You think Obama has the time to give orders to hundreds of different government-run organizations, he would need to be a polymath for it... He might know law, that does not mean he is a specialist at economy, specialist at education, specialist at defense systems etc etc etc.

Sorry, I'm just not buying this BS. I am well aware that the president has whole teams of people working below him and that he couldn't possibly oversee everything, but civil liberties and and state invasion of privacy is something he campaigned on, and a system such as this one doesn't just spring up because an assistant signed a form in a stack of paperwork.

This kind of breach of basic rights to privacy requires oversight at the highest level, not from a team of people who might have to report to the president once every six months.

You're being ridiculous in an attempt to defend your president, and there is no possible way he could have been ignorant to such a massive and sweeping invasion of citizens rights, no way on this Earth.

Is this why so many of the "old timers" quit posting in the last year or so? I often wondered what happened to the seasoned sages of ATS. What and when did they know, or was it just an intelligent guess?

We (the US) overreacted to 9/11 and we gave our Govt. WAY TOO MUCH POWER. It was only a matter of time till the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. began exploiting the Patriot Act.

I just don't know what we can do as citizens...

Crap like this happens all the time within our Govt. and the way they correct it is with a Govt. head resigning and then another steps in to pick up right where they left off. Business as usual...

reply to post by marg6043


Let me rephrase this LOL

"to put information about their (The People) operations and decisions online and readily available to the GOVERNMENT. Executive departments and agencies should (SNIP) identify information of greatest use to the GOVERNMENT."

I think he meant this.

I would just like to take a moment to point out that I have seen a lot of people blaming Obama, and I have seen people talking about how the Republicans are outraged. Maybe not on here, but in the news. I thought that this would be a good place to point out just how many people in our government voted for this.

who voted for spying on Americans

I don't know how to attach a graph like they have but it's quite amazing to see how many people currently sitting voted for this crap.

Also I wanted to add that you can't blame companies like Google, Apple, Facebook etc. They are just doing what they have to to comply with government orders. I am more then sure that the owners of ATS would do the same if so ordered, and probably already have.

Originally posted by searching411
Is this why so many of the "old timers" quit posting in the last year or so? I often wondered what happened to the seasoned sages of ATS. What and when did they know, or was it just an intelligent guess?

I think a lot of them became fed up with the "actors" theory and the complete irrationality of many members believing complete rubbish without needing any evidence to back it up.

I know of several people who left ATS because of the utter stupidity around the Sandy Hook "conspiracies" on here.

Originally posted by jhn7537
We (the US) overreacted to 9/11 and we gave our Govt. WAY TOO MUCH POWER. It was only a matter of time till the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. began exploiting the Patriot Act.

This is what makes me wonder about what happened behind the scenes on 9/11. I have definitely considered the likelihood that there was a coup taking place, and the attacks were a cover for it.

It sounds like the leaders of these security agencies have grown increasingly paranoid and they've branched out from middle eastern terrorists to EVERYONE......

Just curious, but whatever happened to 'by the people, for the people' ???? because I don't believe ANY citizens would be okay with this... And if we're not okay with this it should be abolished immediately...