U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

Its the whole reason the internet is allowed to exist. Its for Intelligence.

This is why they tell you that you have mental issues if your not on FACEBOOK.
Now that the OBAMA admin, went after the media, they(the MEDIA) are obviously unleashing their own fight. Its a game!
Quite frankly, this is sickening, and I am angry that some people argue (seen them on MSM boards) that this is for our safety. We must remember things like MKULTRA, OPERATION NORTHWOODS, OPERATION AJAX, OPERATION GLADIO, THE HUMAN RADIATION EXPERIMENTS

Its *GOV* as its allowed to exist and it doesn't matter who is "at bat"

Originally posted by flexy123
Seriously, I cannot stop laughing.

The NSA "data mines" and monitors the internet, phone calls, emails etc..FOR DECADES already.
What do you think the job of an intelligence agency is? It's exactly that.

Yes, we know. But, why are they releasing this info now to the public?

Usually, this means that there's some much bigger operation behind the scenes, so big that they've got to make sure that the people are slowly "conditioned" to accept this intrusion into their private lives, for if the people found out about the true extent of the operations there would be instant revolution in the land, and the government would be overthrown.

By releasing this sort of thing "bit" by "bit", the people are acclimatised to the spying on their lives, and begin to accept it as normal, even think of it as useful, maybe even thank God they are being protected so well by the good government.

What they are not yet telling the people, is that they not only "listen in", but they interact, they disrupt, they divert, they impede, they mislead, they are actively modifying the data as it moves through the communication chnnels.

You think you're talking to John across the internet, but you're actually chatting with Computer-Bob, who intercepts your communications. John thinks he's chatting with you, but in fact, he's talking to Computer-Bob also, who sits between the counter-parties. Computer-Bob alters the dialog slightly, saying back to you, things John never said, and sending messages to John, as if from you, that you never sent. And in this way, Computer-Bob, who has already learned all about you and John from previous intercepted conversations, is able to shift the dialog to obtain information that would not otherwise be obtainable in any other way.

The sophistication is mind-boggling. All in the interest of National Security.

Of course, they'll deny they intercept and role-play, they just listen.

You know what? Listening gets boring, when nothing is happening. So, you've got to stir the pot.

Feinstein implicated... what a surprise... we need to listen to you give phone sex to your girlfriend, just in case you become a terrorist someday.... hmmm

didn't many of us already suspect this was happening?
is it bad this doesn't surprise me at all?
I guess Obama really made his allies in the MSM upset, they are coming at him.

but don't worry the NDAA provisions won't be abused, he promises!

Originally posted by KingErik


What they are not yet telling the people, is that they not only "listen in", but they interact, they disrupt, they divert, they impede, they mislead, they are actively modifying the data as it moves through the communication chnnels.

I was just about to post something similar. I'm sure they are advanced enough they could have spied without the help of the internet companies.

There's more control in people KNOWING they are being spied on.

The same thing will happen with this that happened with TSA searches. A group will start complaining, but their complaints will not change anything because too many people are conditioned to accept it's for our own good. The masses will accept the invasion.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Dianec

 

The problems with terrorist is that only those that are low key or no financed by big foreign "interest" are the only ones that you get to hear been boasted and used by the propaganda machine to tell how good our intelligence gathering is, occurs downplayed for our national security so we only hear rumors.

But those that are indeed professionals of what they do can go behind the backs of the "impressive and reliable intelligence agencies to do their deeds, does 9/11 ring a bell?

See, if our intelligence gathering was so great such an elaborated and well finance terrorist plot like the one behind 9/11 would have been spotted right away.

But it didn't happen, now with all the intelligent gathering in our nation after the 9/11 the Benghazi incident would have been avoided before hand, it didn't happen.

How about the Boston bombers, they were not even in the ranks of experts.

Unless our corporate run government is very selective on what kind of information they take seriously or they have better fish to catch with the common American citizens personal and private information.

It smells like corruption and is must be corruption and corporate interest is all over it.

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Exactly! Also, what do they do if they happen upon one of their own buying minors for sex (and I assure you politicians do this)? Oh wait, they're exempt from this because they are not considered "the public" - Just public servants. But they are officially an American citizen so they darn well better be monitored just as heavily as anyone else. What if someone is not a citizen because I believe it does say "Americans"? What if they find out some 16 year old went and bought some drugs? Do they stick them in the "drug database"? That's too many "what if's" IMO. We as the public have a right to know what this all entails.

I'm so glad one of the more reputable papers doesn't like this and is speaking out for the people. I really don't know why their doing this angers people (some in here made some strongly worded statements against the TImes). I read the article and it speaks of facts followed by some opinions of the editor. This is what is supposed to happen in media. Ashamed of The NY Times for changing the status quo of media by finally taking us out of denial and the comfort zone that provides? Why have some become so offended to see someone (who has some weight) challenge our administration and their predecessors? I was just surprised to see so much disdain over this well done article. I like to look ahead and ask what my kids' life will look like in 10, 20, 30 years if no one challenges anyone on these matters. It actually bothers me to see people saying they are angered by the Times as this is what makes America great and what will keep us free (the only thing that will keep us free is to exercise our rights). It's time our media work for the average person, if only to make sure they are not in the dark about such matters.

reply to post by IAMTAT

DOES IN YOUR FACE MEAN ANYTHING TO ANYBODY???

Well i know my next project, rebuild my home system to be completely
internet free, build a Linux laptop for next access and go berserk on
security, ive been waiting for a bit with semi lax security but if it is
the case that they think they have a right to my data, well i will
make sure they do not have it. its just plain ole none of their business.

When I was a child in the 70's, I assumed the US government had massive data collection and surveillance capabilities. This made me feel secure. Turns out, the government had more swagger than ability. Now, it's getting pretty good at knowing what's going on. As I got older, I understood that my government only caters to the interests of an elite. That's where the money and power is. Our enslavement is crucial to the power and fortunes of politicians and their affiliates. However, if the US government was actually of, by, and for the people, wouldn't all this surveillance be welcomed? I'm sure there are those like I was in the 70's who welcome it.

Originally posted by zilebeliveunknown
reply to post by bgold1212

 

Of course it does, they have access to user's data...

“Google cares deeply about the security of our users’ data,” a company spokesman said. “We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government ‘back door’ into our systems, but Google does not have a ‘back door’ for the government to access private user data.”

What is interesting to mention is rumors of "back door" for government to freely collect user's data, and if true, this spokeperson just shot himself in the foot. We'll see I guess...

From my perspective, I think google is fine - they disclose user data in accordance with the law. The law is pretty open to interpretation, usually not enforced against government, and they have been engaging in warrantless electronic surveillance for US citizens outside of the continental USA for many years. I'm sure they engage in spying on just about anyone they want anyways, as seen from the other recent spying with the IRS.

Why would google make a "back door", when they could make a perfectly accessible front door, in accordance with the law?

There's no more inching toward a totalitarian state with secret police. We are there. Obviously a bunch of us here suspected these kinds of things were occurring, but confirmation of it on this scale is like getting hit by a 2x4. You know it's gone the way we knew everything changed after 911. No more room left for naivety about government, no matter your political leaning. I lean socialist-libertarian. You may be an ultra conservative. Or maybe just a middle of the road Joe. We all get screwed by this. This is just plain un-american, or perhaps they redefined what America is at this point.

RIP America. Final nail in the coffin.

If you're not doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about.

reply to post by Philippines


Well Google had the Google cars doing drive bys of every bodies house. They were gathering cell phone information and linking that to houses. Grabbing all wifi and internet data and also linking that to houses. Then taking a picture of your house. And they admitted it in court.

www.upi.com...

Fined 7 million. They sold it to the government for a lot more I bet.

Video: Obama’s Director Of National Intelligence Lies To Congress When Asked If The NSA “Collects Any Type Of Data On Millions Of Americans” weaselzippers.us... millions-of-americans/

Is This a Video of the Director of National Intelligence Lying to Congress? [Updated]
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Wyden in Intelligence Hearing on GPS Surveillance & Nat'l Security Agency Collection (Video from March 12, 2013)


Update is this: June 6, 2013

5:13 p.m.: Clapper tells the National Journal, "What I said was, the NSA does not voyeuristically pore through U.S. citizens' e-mails. I stand by that." Except ... that's not what he said.

So make that 2 lies. I am sick and tired of our "public servants" lying and getting away with it. Where is the accountability?

Wait I thought Skype was encrypted P2P software... god damn I knew Microsoft wouldn't force everyone to use Skype for no reason.

Can't really say I'm surprised that it's happening. I think the scale at which it's happening is the most shocking.

And from the other info I have glanced over it seems like it works so well and is so cheap they want to do more of it.

Thankfully someone had a conscious and let the cat out of the bag and that the media ran with it.

I think it's wishful thinking, but hopefully the media is waking up to the fact that both the D's and the R's are trying to take away the thing most important to us all, which is our privacy.

There's always hope though.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


Russia recorded the calls between the Boston Bomber and his mother on Skype when she was talking about Jihad and him going to Palestine but he said no because he did not speak that language. He spoke 7 languages but that was not one of them.

Oh this gets even better! Now can anyone here remind me which country has a constitution that protects their freedoms? Right now Verizon is on a collision course with UK regulators for handing over data for UK residents. The UK reports the US crimes, and the UK is out to correct this. But the US government says, oh but this is ok, it is for a good cause... What is bloody wrong with this picture?

Verizon giving US government information about British companies

The crazy thing is, the guys they are supposedly looking out for - organized crime, terrorists (well that's everyone then) - are NOT going to use email, Twitter, Facebook to discuss their alleged nefarious plots and schemes!

So, knowing that, why do the alphabet agencies continue to want to, and in fact actively, monitor everything we do or say?
The thing is, those same agencies and the current governments are all paranoid in the extreme! They not only monitor us, but each other and the government as well. Imagine how they'd feel if suddenly the ability to monitor all of this went away? They'd need to be severely medicated to cope with the paranoia and fear that they feel.

By setting up these agencies they have created monsters. Each administration may get to appoint the heads of these agencies, but do those people really know what each and every one of the staff under them are doing? Spies spying on spies, spying on us... where does the paranoia end? It does show though just how scared they are of us!

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady
After 9/11 there is no accountability by the Gov feds or any US agency, NSA is just one of the many that... due to National Security... have none, IRS is an other.

Most thought is was just blowing smoke when I said , what ever you type, post, email, or say, they er NSA know right then, what your saying.

When Bush said " Your with us or against us" he knew what the out come would be. If your against this, then your against Them... you should be all for it and let them read and hear all that you or anyone says, types, posts, prints or emails.

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